 sivranOpera convertPremium
join:2003-09-15
Arlington, TX
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Re: Smart Meters Blamed for Fires The meter and socket's clearly company-owned here. There's an anti-tamper tag on it that I'd have to break to even look at it.
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said by Jack_in_VA:A couple of years ago the POCO changed out our old analog meters with new digital meters that they could read by driving around in a vehicle. Evidently it was a sub-contractor because they were not in a POCO vehicle. When he got to mine which is 300 amp service he just scratched his head and said he didn't have a meter to fit my service and he would have to come back. The one they put in looks just like the old analog meter with the dials and not the digital readout. Bottom line is this guy didn't have clue. He just pulled the old meters and stuck a new one in. Nothing else.
I have a "smart meter" like that. It's an old sangamo with retrofitted AMR. The cooperative can get hourly data from it and it communicates via powerline. |
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said by sivran:The meter and socket's clearly company-owned here. There's an anti-tamper tag on it that I'd have to break to even look at it.
The meter pan doesn't have to be utility owned for there to be a seal on it. Putting a seal is standard practice for most utilities anyway, whether you own the pan or not. They (rightfully) don't want you in there unless you're a utility worker or a licensed electrician (in some jurisdictions). |
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 49528867Premium
join:2010-04-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
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said by Jack_in_VA:The 200 amp switch in the smart meters is of concern to me. Cheap Chinese junk purchased by utilities to pretend they are advancing conservation is trumping the safety of their customers. FWIW the meters by GE and ITRON are made in the good ole USA.
Utilities have deep pockets and are not prone to buy into cheap products that can leave them holding the liability bag more so when you consider the fact that many times they pass the cost of the equipment to the ratepayers anyhow.
Wayne
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 alkizmo
join:2007-06-25
Pierrefonds, QC
kudos:1 | reply to sivran
said by sivran:The meter and socket's clearly company-owned here. There's an anti-tamper tag on it that I'd have to break to even look at it.
Don't be mistaken. My meter has an anti-tamper tag to prevent opening the METER, but nothing stops me from pulling out the pan's panel with the meter. |
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iknowPremium
join:2012-03-25 | reply to SparkChaser
said by SparkChaser:Remote Disconnect
• iCon A type iSA3 - Forms 1S-RD, 2S-RD, 12S-RD
• 2-Pole, single-throw
• Magnetic latching
• Rating: 200 A, 230 Vac, 60Hz, PF 0.7/0.8 lagging
• Endurance: 6000 cycles, 200 A, 240 Vac, 60 Hz,
PF 0.7/0.8 lagging
• Overload: 50 OPS, 300 A, 230 Vac, 60 Hz, PF 1.0
• Current Withstand: Per IEC 1036, ANSI C12.
1: 7,000 A Peak (5,000 Amps rms) 230 Vac, 60 Hz,
for 6 cycles at 0.7/0.8 PF with normal operation after
exposure; 12,000 Amps rms for 4 cycles with fail safe
conditions after exposure.
»www.sensus.com/documents/10157/3···heet.pdf
they don't mention what happens if you have a leading PF, or a surge over 240 volts though!. maybe that's why they go on fire |
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49528867Premium
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Fort Lauderdale, FL
kudos:3 | said by iknow:they don't mention what happens if you have a leading PF, or a surge over 240 volts though!. maybe that's why they go on fire Quite willing to bet the root cause of the fires is a loose connection in the meter pan either where the stabs connect to the socket or loose connections resulting from distrubing old hanging by a thread connections.
Wayne
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said by alkizmo:said by sivran:The meter and socket's clearly company-owned here. There's an anti-tamper tag on it that I'd have to break to even look at it.
Don't be mistaken. My meter has an anti-tamper tag to prevent opening the METER, but nothing stops me from pulling out the pan's panel with the meter. nothing physically, but hydro frowns on that especially because some people have been known to jump one leg of a meter to get some free power , nowdays any house with switchgear before the meter (common on indoor meter installations in older neighborhoods) meter readers are putting seals on the main switch boxes (where your main fuses are) because the power in those is un metered and there have been major issues with theft of power.
pullting the meter pan cover at the same time as the meter is a dangerous practice because you could inadvertanly have the cover touch one of the lugs in the meter pan, and when that happens i doubt your next of kin will have a good story to tell hydro! |
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49528867Premium
join:2010-04-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
kudos:3 | reply to Jack_in_VA
said by Jack_in_VA:Of course Sensus will claim their equipment meets requirements but a lot of companies make similar claims that turn out to be completely false. Especially the cheap Chinese manufactured equipment. Here's the data sheets of two most popular 200 amp meterbase latching relays not quite Chinese junk eh?
Wayne
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 Lone WolfIndependent Voter, Buy Gold and GunsPremium
join:2001-12-30
USA
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said by telco_mtl:pullting the meter pan cover at the same time as the meter is a dangerous practice because you could inadvertanly have the cover touch one of the lugs in the meter pan, and when that happens i doubt your next of kin will have a good story to tell hydro!
Looks like the PECO workers are protected against fires.
From the link on Philly.com
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Wearing fireproof clothing, a Peco field technician installs a smart meter. Peco is investigating malfunctions related to the units.
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My neighbor had something similar happen after they replaced his power pole after the April tornadoes. When they called EPB about the damages they pretty much denied any wrong dooing and politely told him good luck with suing the city in a city court.
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 acid343211Hallo lisa Aus AmerikaPremium
join:2001-08-31
Byron, GA | reply to Raphion
said by Raphion:Cheap chinese crap.
yup............
Mine is European made
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 MashikiBalking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON
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We were just having a discussion over in Canchat on this. Well you can read my comment in the thread, but I'll post it here anyway. This was in relation to Corix, which has been subcontracted pretty much by utilities across the country to do the smart meter installation.
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A buddy down the street had a new mains panel put in, when he got it done. He had a new panel plus mast put in. When Corix was 'hired' by the city to put in the smart meters, they were rammy enough they broke the upper and lower legs. Which required the city to come in and disconnect the mast from the pole, the inspector came by to take a look and required the box replaced as well due to the damage.
Hell they were also contracted to do the water meters here, incompetent doesn't do them justice. Anyone want a 15ft spring water leak? I had one of those. Solder joint was so shitty, I actually wondered if the idiot checked before they left.
But there's been quite a few cases out in BC as well, with the meters catching on fire. Whether from the installers, or from the meters, no one seems to be getting an answer. |
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 John GaltForward, MarchPremium
join:2004-09-30
Happy Camp
kudos:5 | reply to owlyn
Trying to set a meter in a base with dry jaws (especially an old base) is just asking for trouble... |
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 Dude111An Awesome DudePremium
join:2003-08-04
USA
kudos:11
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Tell them YOU DONT WANT IT!!!!!!! -- Ya gotta stand up if ya dont want this new intrusive crap installed!!!
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West Chester, PA
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NEXT GENERATION METER READER: NO INSTALLATION REQUIRED... |
said by Dude111:Tell them YOU DON'T WANT IT!!!!!!! -- Ya gotta stand up if ya don't want this new intrusive crap installed!!!
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join:2007-11-26
Mathews, VA
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Homeowner defense against next generation meter reader.  |
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WHat's intrusive? HAving the electric company know how much electricity you're using and being able to disconnect you for non payment? How dare they... |
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Re: Smart Meters Blamed for Fires said by Lone Wolf:Looks like the PECO workers are protected against fires.
From the link on Philly.com
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Wearing fireproof clothing, a Peco field technician installs a smart meter. Peco is investigating malfunctions related to the units.
Makes sense. Arc flash can burn you.
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Just great.
They put them on ours. And its right next to the gas line (in).
First I was always worried someone might jump the curb and hit the main + meter (happened in Montgomeryville, PA). Now I have to worry that the meter will fail.
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