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Snowy
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Re: Can YOU Crack The Gauss Uber-Virus Encryption?

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In the end many people then used the tools from panda..and for years we even had a direct link at the top of this forum to download them.

Did you notice in dwomack See Profile's link
»www.virustotal.com/file/5198c225···nalysis/
that Panda Security 2 days, 22 hours ago analyzed the file as not malicious.
A rescan by Panda Security 4 hours, 9 minutes ago
shows that Panda Security is still giving the file a green light.
»www.virustotal.com/file/d5491b23···nalysis/

Thinking that maybe it's a virustotal glitch a site search of Panda Security produces "No results found"
»www.pandasecurity.com/usa/search···uss.smdk

My point is that you cannot say one AV is better or worse than another because of it's detection of a single file.
It takes a full analysis to accurately determine on average how more or less an AV sucks in relative terms.
e.g.,
My AV is better than yours
is more accurately
"My AV sucks less than yours"


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And you think what I posted about panda stand alone clean tools that were available back in 2001 has anything to do with Gauss or what Panda Cloud Security can detect today...come on..could careless which product detects any badboy...stopped using AV's long ago. A standalone cleaner panda put out back then was for a specific virus/trojan and they worked.. even when all the AV's could not stop or clean the same badboy...just like the bitdefender standalone tool for Gauss..and that was the issue.

Not the detection rate of anyones product today.

And I don't see in this thread that siljaline even said ESET was the best..
Do you?

BTW..even today..our dslr security forum has those panda tools listed with an outside link on the main page
»www.pandasecurity.com/homeusers/···lities/?

no one really needs them anymore..so do you think then dslr security forum promotes or is a fanboy of panda tools ?

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And just because it is not detected at VirusTotal does not mean it won't be detected/protected against on your computer.

AV Comparative Analyses, Marketing, and VirusTotal: A Bad Combination



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said by windaz:

And just because it is not detected at VirusTotal does not mean it won't be detected/protected against on your computer.

AV Comparative Analyses, Marketing, and VirusTotal: A Bad Combination

Well we went through all that stuff at wilders and even here at dslr years ago...so you do realize what you posted is stuff from 16 abril 2007 or for the yanks and others 16 April 2007 and does not apply anymore unless you are a fanboys of one or the other testing groups.. But I agree to an extent..but knowing Panda's market..and the targeted push of Gauss to a specific region of the world..I doubt they (Panda) are concerned about this one..only 2500 peps infected so far...so this is not a rabid dog try to spread all over the world. I would not be either understand the vector of infection that gauss uses..it's just getting high profile security media news coverage..because of the family it is classified.

Now if this Gauss thingie starts going after things that are important..I am sure everyone will wake up...

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD-KExRW···&list=UL


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They still state the same in the FAQ. »www.virustotal.com/faq/



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Ok..and I see panda really has no concern at then moment for Gauss spy stuff.

»www.pandasecurity.com/homeusers/···ty-info/



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said by Name Game:

And I don't see in this thread that siljaline even said ESET was the best..
Do you?

If I wasn't paying attention I might have even believed that I said something like that.
But since you asked NO, to the contrary I saw siljaline See Profile go out of his way to specifically say the opposite.
Here's the quote just in case you missed it.
said by siljaline:

I am an ESET user and do ESET support at Wilders as many know, norwegian See Profile. That's not to say ESET is the end-all of A/V's.
Simply because ESET detects Gauss while others don't or I am not aware of does not qualify me as an ESET fanboy

If there's anyone talking about ESTE being better or worse than other AV's in this thread it's YOU!
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exactly..you like what you got and a happy with it. But many others detected and cleaned Gauss even before it was a glint in ESET eye..that is a fact.

Anyway, why beat around the bush?
said by Name Game:

but knowing Panda's market..and the targeted push of Gauss to a specific region of the world..I doubt they (Panda) are concerned about this one..only 2500 peps infected so far...so this is not a rabid dog try to spread all over the world. I would not be either understand the vector of infection that gauss uses..it's just getting high profile security media news coverage..because of the family it is classified.

Now if this Gauss thingie starts going after things that are important..I am sure everyone will wake up...

I doubt guarantee Panda Security does not endorse the ethnic profiling you've attributed them.
I'd rather have an AV be unaware of a threat than have an AV be aware but decide on the basis of race or nationality of the intended targets to not offer protection from it.
But that's just me the head of a multiracial, multicultural family speaking.


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ethnic profiling ? you are some kind of a wacko stretching your imagination...and it is just you... no matter where you think you are coming from or where you want the thought to go.

Behold the map..

»www.pandasecurity.com/img/enc/infection.htm



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For those who don't fully understand what this is about...

"Since late May 2012, more than 2,500 Gauss-related infections have been recorded by Kaspersky Lab’s cloud-based security system, with the majority of infections found in the Middle East. Many of these infections have appeared in Lebanon, the Palestinian Territories and Iran."
»www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/14···payload/

As this 'wacko' sees it
"Now if this Gauss thingie starts going after things that are important..I am sure everyone will wake up..."
why do you believe it's not important for computer users in the Middle East to have the same protection as someone from North Myrtle Beach, SC??
You special or something or are Middle Easterners just less 'special' than you??
By definition that's national profiling.

btw, Using cutsie little words such as 'thingie" doesn't make the message anymore pretty or acceptable.



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Because Panda has no sales there..so it is not important to them and if you check their map and understand what parts of the world they have offices still left or even affiliates you would understand.
They are not even back to what there were years ago..and maybe never will be...
»www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/26···ob_cuts/
and 2500 worldwide total infections calculated by all the AV vendors out there..is not a major eye opener.

Go play your race card with another..your little game sucks.

Are you aware even the slightest how those 2500 got infected in the first place and what is the vector to get a machine infected ? What method was used ?

Might be a good idea to start reading
»www.securelist.com/en/analysis/2···ibution/

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said by Name Game:

Because Panda has no sales there..so it is not important to them...

Not that I actually agree your belittling remarks concerning who is & who isn't 'important' were limited to Panda Security but that's just my opinion.
But since you're the one that keeps saying
"Panda has no sales there..so it is not important to them..." - prove it.


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said by Snowy:

said by Name Game:

Because Panda has no sales there..so it is not important to them...

Not that I actually agree your belittling remarks concerning who is & who isn't 'important' were limited to Panda Security but that's just my opinion.
But since you're the one that keeps saying
"Panda has no sales there..so it is not important to them..." - prove it.

Prove they don't and go play straws with someone else..I am not your gopher..much less a pawn. You go fish.

Now if you have a bank account in Lebanon that this Gauss targets..then worry about gauss and if someone can slip into your ubs..watch out..or if you VPN with folks over there..hmm..other than that..your thoughts that this thing is going after an ethnic group is way off course..it's looking for trafficing and movement of funds in a geographical part of the world..and most likely has all the info it needs since has been out there for a while..so most of this is post mortem.
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said by Name Game:

said by Snowy:

said by Name Game:

Because Panda has no sales there..so it is not important to them...

Not that I actually agree your belittling remarks concerning who is & who isn't 'important' were limited to Panda Security but that's just my opinion.
But since you're the one that keeps saying
"Panda has no sales there..so it is not important to them..." - prove it.

Prove they don't and go play straws with someone else..I am not your gopher..much less a pawn. You go fish.

I believe you meant to say
"Prove they do" not "Prove they don't"
See, you're the one saying Panda Security hasn't any customers in the Middle East, not me.


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Nope you prove they don't since it's you game..and I not playing that you think they do...you are just grabing at straw.



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said by Name Game:

Nope you prove they don't since it's you game..and I not playing that you think they do...you are just grabing at straw.

Have it your way.
I've sent this email
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:07:17 -1000
"Hello,
I've been informed that Panda currently does not offer AV protection to customers in Lebanon or Iran.
Is that an accurate statement?"

to
customeradvocate-at-pandasecurity.com
I'll post up any/all replies I receive.


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Try do they have sales and how many...then ask why they can't or don't id Gauss at this point in time ...you are still on a general fishing expedition trying to twist words in a area you either refuse to understand or just to lazy to read info about Gauss on your own so you can talk your point.



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said by Name Game:

Try do they have sales and how many...then ask why they can't or don't id Gauss at this point in time ...you are still on a general fishing expedition trying to twist words in a area you either refuse to understand or just to lazy to read info about Gauss on your own so you can talk your point.

hehe, you accuse me of 'graping at straws, being on fishing expedition etc...' when it's actually you that's looking desperate by asking me to disprove what you're saying is fact.
The onus is on the person making the statement to back it up with fact, rather than requiring the person that doubts the factual basis of the original statement to 'disprove' it.
That's how adults agree to disagree over a statement.
ps I haven't even received an auto reply from customeradvocate-at-pandasecurity.com but I'll stay on top of it & see this question brought to a factual conclusion & post it up here.
Meanwhile - there's nothing constructive happening here, later.


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As of about 12 hour ago according to virus total Panda can now id guass and they call it trj/Gauss.A but according to their site none of their customers have reported it as an infection. I would assume they got sig/copy of it from the usual sharing source between AV companies..and seems Gauss has all but disapeared from the wild..very low priority and a flash in the pan. Since it was put out to "intercept passwords, steal computer system configuration information and access credential information for banks located in the Middle East", I am not surprised.

Whether Panda can clean it off an infected system..I guess no one will ever know.



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At the bottom of the initial link posted by FF4m3 here on page 2 there is a tool to test ans see if your system meets the needs of this malware. As I can't post a link to an .exe, you will have to go look for it your self. Look for the post by lightswitch05 on 2012 Aug 18, 00:48

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Already read that before..US officials like to "racial profile"..they even have hit list.



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Bit off topic, but I think your right. Edited that part now, it seems a little far fetched.



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said by norwegian:

Bit off topic, but I think your right. Edited that part now, it seems a little far fetched.

glad you finally made up your mind..was tongue in cheek in any case.

Gauss was a targeted attack..for a very good reason and it gave results of criminal activity that all of us would want to stop. Just happened to be in that part of the world. I am happy that when it was out there gathering the info..no AV could id or clean it off.
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BTW..I also wondered if that stuff in Gauss no one seems to be albe to figure out..has to do with this..

»Prime-factoring quantum computing makes encryption obsolete

The US govt might be there already with uber stuff.
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