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Re: WOW! Just another Google Beta pgm - no support; walk away

Sat, 18 Aug 2012 23:48:28 EDT

zoomer posted : Hardly; it's only $300. That's obviously below cost unless everyone signs up, and it's a rather dense neighbourhood with short driveways.

Re: WOW! Just another Google Beta pgm - no support; walk away

Thu, 16 Aug 2012 23:08:41 EDT

25139889 posted : especially when they're paying out the ass for install.

Re: WOW! Just another Google Beta pgm - no support; walk away

Thu, 16 Aug 2012 23:06:07 EDT

25139889 posted : local providers already do this. And the USDOE has ordered the state DOEs to create DASes to put in internet and other resources into schools. It saves $$$$ and brings in an outside non-profit to manage the IT department from ground up.

here is one of them that was created: www.noeca.org

Re: WOW! Just another Google Beta pgm - no support; walk away

Thu, 16 Aug 2012 19:43:29 EDT

tshirt posted : Another thing to consider
take a look at the map of Google fi in Mt view. (go ahead, google it)
notice the areas not covered (some mobile home parks, most areas with underground wiring (light poles are privately owned)
shopping centers, storage facilities, a few Apt. complexs. all places that won't sign away ROW (to avoid problems when the land use changes))
Google certain had the money to put up some high power directional AP's to cover the trailer parks throughly and probably most of the apt complexs, but instead choose a "you don't want use? you get nothing !" and carefully blocked of access to those properties.

Failure to generate a positive response could lead to longterm disadvantage to all those in a neighborhood, a fiber(less) slum.
while it appears googleFiber is intended to encourge EVERYONE to get a full connection and see where that leads, it could (maybe not in KC but if more buildouts happen) lead to have and have not areas.

Re: WOW! Just another Google Beta pgm - no support; walk away

Thu, 16 Aug 2012 19:25:09 EDT

tshirt posted : And that's it.
Google itself was an experiment, and has run hundreds of these employee inspired alpha , beta and dozens of outside tests, about 1 in 6 moves on, at least for a while.
They certainly can afford to invest in some internet service provider research which will no doubt net the most interesting and valuable thing on earth...Information.

whether this continues on or they dump it in a couple years the will learn something from it (and we can guess) but it's pretty early for pundits to start stamping it sucess or failure, or declaring it a model for all future providers/networks.

Re: WOW! Just another Google Beta pgm - no support; walk away

Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:52:21 EDT

ArrayList posted : that's business.

What Google is doing is respectable. Seriously, props to them for being brave like this. Not like the money involved here will break them.

Re: WOW! Just another Google Beta pgm - no support; walk away

Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:50:32 EDT

ArrayList posted : some people like to live in la-la land and think that anything that goes to market will be a success. I love it when companies take risks like this.

Re: WOW! Just another Google Beta pgm - no support; walk away

Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:36:25 EDT

anon posted :

said by xenophon:

Edit: PS, I'm more than willing to beta test. Can easily go back to TWC or ATT. Surewest and Charter are also in KC metro.

Most customers don't want to be guinea pigs or beta testers once they are paying for a service. They may be ok with that when they are receiving the service free but not when they are being charged for it.

Re: WOW! Just another Google Beta pgm - no support; walk away

Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:05:54 EDT

elefante72 posted : Interestingly nobody talks about the innovation of the "fiberhood". If a company is going to sink capital into a specific geography, it makes sense that the customer base is there to support a profit.

This gets around redlining, because the fibre nodes are there, it just boils down to do the people want the service.

This is a huge experiment, because GOOG is giving away internet for free, one just needs to pay for the equipment.

Part of this may be finding out more effective ways to get the word out, moving to a payment plan, etc to get higher uptake.

The point I am making is that old-skool franchises don't work because it's obvious if there is an area that doesn't want to pay, then why build. Above this, there is no reason if say an area wants 10% vs the fiberhood threshold that they can't devise some wireless way to cover the area, and then if enough people join, wire it.

I think it's brilliant. This is real disruption.

Re: WOW! Just another Google Beta pgm - no support; walk away

Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:02:25 EDT

xenophon posted : It doesn't really matter to me personally if it flops. Can simply go back to TWC or ATT.

Most R&D is about taking risks with the possibility it may fail, and some aspects of it probably will and some things will be learned. Google needs to keep setting expectations that this is an experiment.

Re: WOW! Just another Google Beta pgm - no support; walk away

Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:50:39 EDT

tshirt posted :

said by Kearnstd:

...but even Verizon has not kept pushing FiOS because its investors have no balls.

It's pretty easy to be critical, when it's not YOUR balls on the chopping block isn't it :uhh:, Even money is harder to risk when it's yours ;)

Re: WOW! Just another Google Beta pgm - no support; walk away

Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:23:45 EDT

tshirt posted :

said by xenophon:

Edit: PS, I'm more than willing to beta test. Can easily go back to TWC or ATT. Surewest and Charter are also in KC metro.

How generous of you! ;)
I doubt you'll ever need to go back, the hard part is done, the only question would be how much the "third party" will charge you if google bails out, which depends on 2 things, a the real cost of service plus profit, plus the cost of the freebies google gave like the "Free" tier and library,school and city service discounts, etc. (like all the people who get on "FREE" tier which is price locked for 7 years, the rest of you pay for that) The other part is what part of the capital cost google would attempt to recover by selling it to the third party, it would be a nice network to own DEPENDING on the exact price and conditions the owner is obligated to and if they can reasonable recover the costs through normal rates.

Re: WOW! Just another Google Beta pgm - no support; walk away

Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:35:59 EDT

Kamus posted :

said by Linklist:

Is anyone surprised that Google, the beta queen, has allowed themselves to walk away and treat this as just another of their no support beta programs?

Not really. But it sure as hell beat anything else in the market though. So, who cares?

Re: WOW! Just another Google Beta pgm - no support; walk away

Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:30:11 EDT

rradina posted : Along those lines, Google may have done this specifically to have a bit of "history" when they do battle with ISPs that want to above-and-beyond-what-both-ends-pay, charge them for the use of their pipes. They can point to their experience with running FTTH and hopefully be the voice of reason when it comes to government lobbying.

I still recall Ed Whitacre's rant about the Googles of the world using his pipes and wanting a bigger piece of that action or else. It seems so similar to the organized crime payments mom and pop small businesses would make to the local Carlos, Joey, Vito or Tony that "protected" them from accidental fires.

Re: WOW! Just another Google Beta pgm - no support; walk away

Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:04:31 EDT

Kearnstd posted : at least Google even had the balls to push the limits rather than just sitting there never advancing anything. Sure its a beta, but even Verizon has not kept pushing FiOS because its investors have no balls.
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Re: WOW! Just another Google Beta pgm - no support; walk away

Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:43:13 EDT

xenophon posted : It's always been known this is an R&D experiment. Did anyone really naively think Google is fully committed to being an ISP? If Google decides not to be in the ISP biz, they'll probably just sell the KC network off to Surewest in KC, who already is an FTTH ISP in other areas of KC metro.

Edit: PS, I'm more than willing to beta test. Can easily go back to TWC or ATT. Surewest and Charter are also in KC metro.

WOW! Just another Google Beta pgm - no support; walk away

Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:34:03 EDT

Linklist posted : Is anyone surprised that Google, the beta queen, has allowed themselves to walk away and treat this as just another of their no support beta programs?
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