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Re: Assange makes 1st public appearance in 2 months Deleted misread the date
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 Name GamePremium
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"According to the EAW there are 32 charges which do not require a 'duality'. Rape is one of them. While this point was raised, the fact that the duality exists makes the case in Sweden stronger."
"There was a theft of data as we all know. If this were only about the publication, Wikileaks has 1st Amendment as well as a 1971 US Supreme Court decision in his favor. So you then have to ask yourself what has Assange so scared of the US?
In Manning's Article 32 hearing, it was revealed that Manning was allegedly in communication with Assange as he was committing the crime. I think if you check, this would make an extradition a tad bit easier.
Of course, one other thing that hasn't been talked about is what happens if there is no extradition request from the US? What happens after Assange faces the music in Sweden? Do they kick him out and send him back to Australia?"
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Pretty interesting discussion so far.
I Found this report while clicking through some link somewhere on this site. It's full of legal-speak, but I thought it was interesting because it mentioned unlawful acquisition of information.
»www.fas.org/sgp/crs/secrecy/R41404.pdf
In my opinion, if the government can prove that Manning did pass the files to anyone, he's screwed. I'm not so sure about Assange.
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kudos:7 | I guess we could label this one as..how not to try and wipe or cover your tracks on a macbook harddrive. During the Article 32 hearing, the prosecution, led by Captain Ashden Fine, presented 300,000 pages of documents in evidence, including chat logs and classified material.[62] The court heard from two army investigators, Special Agent David Shaver, head of the digital forensics and research branch of the army's Computer Crime Investigative Unit (CCIU), and Mark Johnson, a digital forensics contractor from ManTech International, who works for the CCIU. They testified that they had found 100,000 State Department cables on a workplace computer Manning had used between November 2009 and May 2010; 400,000 military reports from Iraq and 91,000 from Afghanistan on an SD card found in his basement room in his aunt's home in Potomac, Maryland; and 10,000 cables on his personal MacBook Pro and storage devices that they said had not been passed to WikiLeaks because a file was corrupted. They also recovered 14–15 pages of encrypted chats, in unallocated space on Manning's MacBook's hard drive, between Manning and someone believed to be Julian Assange. Two of the chat handles, which used the Berlin Chaos Computer Club's domain (ccc.de), were associated with the names Julian Assange and Nathaniel Frank.[63]
Johnson said he found SSH logs on the MacBook that showed an SFTP connection, from an IP address that resolved to Manning's aunt's home, to a Swedish IP address with links to WikiLeaks.[63] There was also a text file named "Readme" attached to the logs, a note apparently written by Manning to Assange, which called the Iraq and Afghan War logs "possibly one of the most significant documents of our time, removing the fog of war and revealing the true nature of 21st century asymmetric warfare."[64] The investigators testified they had also recovered an exchange from May 2010 between Manning and Eric Schmiedl, a Boston mathematician, in which Manning said he was the source of the Baghdad helicopter attack ("Collateral Murder") video. Johnson said there had been two attempts to delete material from the MacBook. The operating system was re-installed in January 2010, and on or around January 31, 2010, an attempt was made to erase the hard drive by doing a "zero-fill," which involves overwriting material with zeroes. The material was overwritten only once, which meant it could be retrieved.[63] » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Ma···etention--
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Rook008Miles To GoPremium
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kudos:7 | Yup..poor kid just got caught up in game and was way out of his element having little idea of the consequence..intelligent but not that clever or experienced with the rules of engagement.  |
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said by Ian:said by norwegian:We are allowed to be innocent until proven guilty? Is that not correct?
Uh huh....And the way that's determined is charges (if deemed appropriate), and a trial. Assange is skipping out on his bail and hiding out in an Embassy to duck that process. Very simple. Very simple, if you can't handle all the previously presented events and information. But that's ok. |
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said by Name Game:if you are trying to make him a martyr I posted a factual article published in The Sydney Morning Herald. What's your problem? |
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kudos:3 | said by FF4m3 :said by Name Game:if you are trying to make him a martyr I posted a factual article published in The Sydney Morning Herald. What's your problem? The posted article is pretty clear and even clearer now after a year and a half from when the article was published, the Aussies are considering their options and responsibilities (given Assange is Australian) and have yet to exercise anything concerning Assange (and unless something changes, I doubt they ever will), which means the hair under those tin foil hats has gotten much longer and much stinkier for nothing so far, but by all means keep them on as I'm sure a vicious commando strike by the aussies is just around the corner (and by vicious I mean they will be short a case of Fosters and a couple of shrimp for the BBQ). This attack will likely take place sometime mid September to the end of October 2015 with aussie commandos posing as rugby players for the 2015 Rugby World Cup which was ingeniously planned to occur in England just for this raid on the Ecuadorian embassy in London.
How long can the spin doctors keep spinning?
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| said by Link Logger:The posted article is pretty clear and even clearer now after a year and a half from when the article was published, the Aussies are considering their options and responsibilities (given Assange is Australian) and have yet to exercise anything concerning Assange Correct.
said by Link Logger:I'm sure a vicious commando strike by the aussies is just around the corner (and by vicious I mean they will be short a case of Fosters and a couple of shrimp for the BBQ). This attack will likely take place sometime mid September to the end of October 2015 with aussie commandos posing as rugby players for the 2015 Rugby World Cup which was ingeniously planned to occur in England just for this raid on the Ecuadorian embassy in London. You're getting lots of use from your time machine. You should give a heads up to the TSA and pitch your plot to the SyFy channel. |
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kudos:3 | said by FF4m3 :pitch your plot to the SyFy channel.
More likely the comedy channel with Ben Stiller as Julian Assange.
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I'm getting through it all, but considering how hard you lads hit me with correctness of publication earlier, I can't help but laugh at this statement:
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There was at one stage a suggestion that Mr Assange could be extradited to the USA (possibly to Guantanamo Bay or to execution as a traitor). The only live evidence on the point came from the defence witness Mr Alhem who said it couldn’t happen.
Almost voids the whole discussion, let alone if Assange ends up with England, Sweden, the US and finally Australia all after him.......what a theory that would be. The general public would class him guilty too.....back to "The Fugitive" anyone? LOL
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On this point, thought it worth adding some of the views from Sweden.
»palwrange.blogspot.se/2012/08/ca···rom.html
Four days ago, I resolved to turn my attention to issues other than Juluan Assange. However, I have been called again and again by journalists, including from Spain and Australia. And then I learned that a blog post from my colleague Mark Klamberg had been invoked by the Guardian to prove a point that was incorrect (not Mark’s fault, though). I have therefore translated and edited a couple of my earlier submissionss (17 and 20 August) for an international audience. I will focus on the extradition issue, but in order to be comprehensive, I will add a few words on diplomatic immunity and diplomatic asylum. (My apologies for any mistakes in the text; it is late at night.)
In my previous post I described how the Swedish extradition procedure works and its sequence. I explained that prior to the evaluation and decision of the Government the law provides that 1) the Prosecutor-General shall deliver a statement of opinion on the matter and 2) the Supreme Court shall rule on the matter. I wrote that the Government is the final body to approve an extradition request and it may deny a request even if it has been approved by the Supreme Court, but I did not go into the question of the discretion of the Government when there is an extradition agreement. Glenn Greenwald cited parts of my post on the Guardian website on this matter.
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Hmm. I wonder how long the Ecuadorians are willing to host Mr. Assange if this standoff persists on into the distant future, and who is footing the bill for his stay while it continues. It occurs to me that "soft prison" in the Ecuadorian embassy might just be a far more economical solution for the Brits, the Swedes, and the US than the costs involved in transporting, trialing, and (perhaps) eventually housing him in their domestic penal institutions. For them, the only downsides are the uncertainty of what might lie ahead, as well as their costs of keeping him under surveillance and negotiating endlessly at the diplomatic level.
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| said by Blackbird:Hmm. I wonder how long the Ecuadorians are willing to host Mr. Assange if this standoff persists on into the distant future, and who is footing the bill for his stay while it continues. It occurs to me that "soft prison" in the Ecuadorian embassy might just be a far more economical solution for the Brits, the Swedes, and the US... Good considerations. |
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If Assange pops out and sees his shadow, do we get eight more weeks of summer? 
The US embassy in Hungary hosted Cardinal Mindzenty for about 15 years. Let's see if Assange can break that record....  |
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Romney's not the only one putting his foot in his mouth over the attack on the US consulate in Libya.
»www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/se···-assange |
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| +1 Then again no one is sure what person(s) actually made the posts. Still, bogglingly stupid. |
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| said by FF4m3 :+1 Then again no one is sure what person(s) actually made the posts. Still, bogglingly stupid.
No. But as the article said, it's long been assumed to be Julian Assange. Agree it's stupid. Agree it's likely Assange that made the post.
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| said by Ian:said by FF4m3 :+1 Then again no one is sure what person(s) actually made the posts. Still, bogglingly stupid.
as the article said, it's long been assumed to be Julian Assange. The article said no such thing.
said by The Guardian :A post on the official WikiLeaks Twitter feed, which is generally presumed to be operated by Assange, read... Nowhere does The Guardian indicate that he was the actual author of the tweets. |
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