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dave
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Re: Assange makes 1st public appearance in 2 months

Incorrect.

(I assume that you like that dogmatic one-word assertion style since you use it to the extent of being tedious).

A reasonable reader would read that and assume that Assange typed it.

After all, how do you "operate" a Twitter feed? It doesn't actually take much operating beyond typing the stuff that you want to post.

So, breaking it down, the Guardian reports that the feed "is generally presumed to be operated by Assange", from which a reasonable person may infer that Twitter postings from Wikileaks are generally presumed to be from Assange. (May not be, of course, hence "presumed"). From that, the reasonable person may further infer that these particular postings adhere to the usual pattern, and thus it is likely to be Assange behind them.

You know, the same way it's generally presumed that postings from some anonymous guy calling himself FF4m3 are from the same person.


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It is not known who manages the WikiLeaks Twitter account, although some reports have said its founder Julian Assange has recently assumed control of the feed.

»wireupdate.com/wikileaks-u-s-gov···ide.html

This is the last time the word "tacit" was used in reference to Assange

»www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/2···e-Asylum

But never fear..there is a ...

New Passport for Julian
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Condom used as evidence in Assange sex case 'does not contain his DNA':

Lawyers for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange have revealed that a key piece of evidence does not contain his DNA.

A torn condom given to Swedish police by one of the alleged victims was examined by staff at two forensic laboratories but they could not find any conclusive evidence of Mr Assange’s DNA on it.

The same forensic teams found DNA thought to belong to the WikiLeaks boss on another condom, which was submitted by the second alleged victim.

The revelation is contained in a 100-page police report that was written after witnesses were interviewed and forensic evidence had been examined.

The report, which has been seen by Mr Assange’s lawyers, has led to the Swedish authorities requesting his extradition from Britain to stand trial, though he is yet to be charged with any offence.

Mr Assange, who denies allegations of rape and sexual molestation, has been fighting extradition to Sweden for the past two years. He claims it is a ruse to send him to the United States where he could face trial for espionage.

In the report, the first alleged victim, now 33, claims she was sexually molested by Mr Assange at her flat in Stockholm on several occasions.

She also claims that Mr Assange deliberately ripped a condom before wearing it so that he could have unprotected sex with her against her will.

His lawyers have said that the fact no DNA could be found conclusively on an apparently used condom suggests a fake one may have been submitted.

The report also appears to cast doubt on the claim made by the second alleged victim, who told police that she was ‘raped’ by Mr Assange when she was asleep.

But during a police interview, the woman, now 29, apparently suggests that she did not mind him having unprotected sex with her.


The Swedish prosecutor’s office refused to comment on the report but said the case was ongoing.



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said by dave:

IYou know, the same way it's generally presumed that postings from some anonymous guy calling himself FF4m3 are from the same person.

Along with your other assumptions, dave, you assume that I'm a guy.

dave
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Indeed I do, in a provisional sense. It's a statistically-reasonable assumption, but not a position I feel strongly about, and am prepared to revise it if contrary evidence presents itself.



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said by FF4m3 :

Lawyers for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange have revealed that a key piece of evidence does not contain his DNA.

You know what? There's a time and a place for Assange's lawyers to present what they think is evidence of Assange's innocence. That place is in Sweden, and that time is up to the Swedish authorities, not Julian Assange or his lawyers.
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said by Ian:

said by FF4m3 :

Lawyers for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange have revealed that a key piece of evidence does not contain his DNA.

You know what? There's a time and a place for Assange's lawyers to present what they think is evidence of Assange's innocence. That place is in Sweden, and that time is up to the Swedish authorities, not Julian Assange or his lawyers.

Glad that we all agree on that.


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said by dave:

Incorrect.

Spin it dave. Post a link that states that Assange typed those tweets


FF4m3

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said by Name Game:

This is the last time the word "tacit" was used in reference to Assange

»www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/2···e-Asylum

From your link:
said by DailyKos :

The notoriously conservative Washington Post (WaPo) editorial board published a tacit threat to Ecuador for Ecuador's granting Wikileaks founder Julian Assange asylum...

WaPo's implied threat demonstrates the all too cozy relationship between the supposedly-independent main stream media and the U.S. government, which the media depends upon for reporting, even to the point of giving the government veto power on certain stories and quotes.

WaPo's threat of "consequences" for Ecuador show that not only are whistleblowers faced with severe retaliation in the form of criminal prosecution under the Espionage Act, but those who protect them are facing retaliation.



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said by dave:

Indeed I do, in a provisional sense. It's a statistically-reasonable assumption, but not a position I feel strongly about, and am prepared to revise it if contrary evidence presents itself.

Here's contrary evidence: I want you to think of me as female until I instruct you otherwise. How's that?

dave
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said by FF4m3 :

said by dave:

Incorrect.

Spin it dave. Post a link that states that Assange typed those tweets

Don't have to. We're talking about a statement in the Guardian that says it is widely presumed that Assange is behind the posting. The statement made is one of presumption but not of fact. You've now twisted it to claim of a published statement that Assange definitely typed those tweets.

To recap:

1. The Guardian reports that it is widely presumed that Assange operates the Twitter feed.

2. Ian and I infer that 'operate the feed' means 'post messages'. I further state it's a reasonable inference.

3. You attept to draw some pettifogging distinction between 'operating' and doing the typing.

4. And here, several replies further on, you're attempting to twist the situation by demanding a link to something that neither of us claimed existed in the first place.

In short, the subject has become your interminable quibbling. Which simply seems to be for the sake of quibbling.

dave
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What you 'want' is not evidence in support of what 'is'.

Had you declared that you were in fact female, I'd perhaps have agreed that you can be assumed to be such. But since you were not straightforward enough to state a fact, instead indulging your penchant for little games, I feel no obligation to care about it.



FF4m3

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said by dave:

What you 'want' is not evidence in support of what 'is'.

Had you declared that you were in fact female, I'd perhaps have agreed that you can be assumed to be such. But since you were not straightforward enough to state a fact, instead indulging your penchant for little games, I feel no obligation to care about it.

You are merely who you are, dave. It's ok.

dave
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Condescending, too.



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reply to The Snowman
As you get older it matter more who you are not... than who you are. Dave seems to reject the role of a pawn.



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Ecuador offers to send WikiLeaks founder to Sweden
By Andres Schipani in Bogotá and Hannah Kuchler in London
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Ecuador’s government may ask the UK to allow safe passage of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to its embassy in Sweden, so that he can respond to sex crimes allegations there.
Foreign Minister, Ricardo Patiño, who is likely to meet Britain’s Foreign Secretary William Hague in New York next week, at the UN General Assembly, said Ecuador was considering the transfer as an option to solve a diplomatic stalemate over Mr Assange, who is wanted in Sweden on allegations of rape and sexual assault.

The two foreign ministers will resume their discussions of Mr Assange’s case among other foreign policy issues. Britain has repeatedly said it will not grant him a safe-passage to Ecuador.
Safe passage to Sweden would allow Mr Assange to “remain under our protection while also satisfying the demands of the Swedish justice system,” Mr Patiño said.
The British Foreign Office said on Saturday it had a binding obligation to extradite Mr Assange if he left the Ecuadorean embassy and that it fully intended to do so. “We want to reach a diplomatic solution but need to make sure our laws are respected and followed,” a spokesman said.

»www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ec97e5ae-04a9···7de.html

So nice of them to solve a problem they created in the first place..guess there is no longer any political advantage of using him and now he is just baggage.

To read the full story if that link will not work for you ..then use the google link

»www.google.com/search?q=Ecuador+···ie=UTF-8

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PrntRhd
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But being in the Equador Embassy in Sweden is still not considered to be in Sweden itself, they know that. Just another tease.



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The Ecuadorian embassy in Stockholm is a large 4 story building that contain the counsulate and lots of living space and a nice park across the street. Maybe he is starting to stink in London.

Engelbrektsgatan 13, Stockholm, Sweden



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»www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/···79515547

A spokesman said: "We've made our position very clear on Mr Assange, mainly that he has exhausted the option of appeal and we are under a binding obligation to extradite him to Sweden and we have to carry out this obligation and we fully intend to do so."

Swedish foreign ministry spokeswoman Linn Duvhammar told AFP, "We cannot speculate on what such a solution might be like," adding, "We have received no request."

It seems under diplomatic escort isn't an option.

I thought a diplomatic envoy was not allowed to be convicted on a local law? I know he is not an envoy as such this isn't relevant, I guess what I'm asking is there or could there be "diplomatic immunity" placed on him by Ecuador for the trip?

That would stop the English arresting him? What if they do, would that stand as diminishing units of world power? Would that step over International legal boundaries?

It seems to me this is about getting him to Sweden, not a fix for the British legal system that seems a little bruised and wants to save face?
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said by norwegian:

It seems to me this is about getting him to Sweden, not a fix for the British legal system that seems a little bruised and wants to save face?

What's bruised about the British legal system exactly? They have nothing to "save face" from.
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