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Re: Assange makes 1st public appearance in 2 months There is a case to be heard in Sweden?
Either country should be able to get him there, shouldn't they?
So why if Ecuador delivered him, would the British stop them and then want to charge him before he faces the courts in Sweden? I don't understand this part; does Britain want to charge him for breaking bail because he is there now and they do not want to process extradition orders over breaking bail because he may not want to go back there either?
Bruised? They let him go under home arrest?
And it all caused a public fiasco or nightmare for them?
I still think of some of the great conspiracy movies, "once you are in the system", guilty or not; you are in the system. Personal thoughts I know, but still relevant whether guilty or not wouldn't you say?
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 Name GamePremium
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kudos:7 | None of what you question makes sense to me..the dork is running from the mess he caused..it's about him not the system...time for him to face facts out there..he can walk out of that embassy anytime he wants.. but he loves the drama. |
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 Link LoggerPremium,MVM
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Calgary, AB
kudos:3 | reply to norwegian
said by norwegian:There is a case to be heard in Sweden?
Either country should be able to get him there, shouldn't they?
So why if Ecuador delivered him, would the British stop them and then want to charge him before he faces the courts in Sweden? I don't understand this part; does Britain want to charge him for breaking bail because he is there now and they do not want to process extradition orders over breaking bail because he may not want to go back there either?
Bruised? They let him go under home arrest?
And it all caused a public fiasco or nightmare for them?
I still think of some of the great conspiracy movies, "once you are in the system", guilty or not; you are in the system. Personal thoughts I know, but still relevant whether guilty or not wouldn't you say?
So what guarantees can Ecuador give that they will in fact take him to Sweden and deliver him to the Swedish authorities? How do we know that they aren't just planning on loading him up on a plane and flying him to Ecuador instead of Sweden? Can we make a deal so if the plane gets closer then half way to Ecuador we can shoot it down for example? If everyone is so sure that Ecuador will take him to Sweden then this deal shouldn't be a problem to make.
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| said by Link Logger:So what guarantees can Ecuador give that they will in fact take him to Sweden and deliver him to the Swedish authorities?
None I guess. You could say the same about anyone else putting him on a plane. If there are hops involved who will guarantee he doesn't get redirected mid-flight with whom ever escorts him, I guess there is a slightly higher chance with Ecuador than Britian, but the same rules apply to both countries?
said by Link Logger:If everyone is so sure that Ecuador will take him to Sweden then this deal shouldn't be a problem to make.
Blake
I thought this was all tried before and we are full circle. However I don't remember specifics about Ecuador escorting him initially, they wanted Sweden to come visit.
Also, when he is in an enclosed court hearings in Sweden, who is to say Sweden will release him if innocent? Every choice we make has 2 minimum outcomes, I gather this situation isn't any different, they can or they cannot.
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Link LoggerPremium,MVM
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kudos:3 | The only person/country who has definitely reneged on their agreements thus far has been Assange concerning his bail conditions.
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| That we agree on.
Still though, doesn't the US' Fifth Amendment still raise eyebrows here?
The Fifth Amendment (Amendment V) to the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, protects against abuse of government authority in a legal procedure. Its guarantees stem from English common law which traces back to Magna Carta in 1215. For instance, grand juries and the phrase due process (also found in the 14th Amendment) both trace their origin to Magna Carta.
While this story initially isn't about the US laws, far from it, but on the International stage, shouldn't or doesn't Assange feel this type of pressure and concern for his own well being? Let's forget the legal system for what he has been alleged of for a second, if he fears for his life or his well being, shouldn't he or anyone be entitled to safe passage before during and after?
Anyway I'll get off my soapbox, the rights of a single person to defend him/herself are dwindling, you only have to hear of the so called "friends" all turn against him the moment the word "rape" was mentioned, guilty or not.
"Oh what a wonderful world"
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| said by norwegian:...shouldn't or doesn't Assange feel this type of pressure and concern for his own well being? Let's forget the legal system for what he has been alleged of for a second, if he fears for his life or his well being, shouldn't he or anyone be entitled to safe passage before during and after?
Any accused has a reasonable and justifiable fear of being found guilty and having to go to jail. Assange is accused of rape or some type of sexual assault in Sweden. Should we all of the sudden be concerned with the fairness of the Swedish justice system just because of Assange? I think not.
For the record, I don't think Assange has any particular legitimate "fear of his well-being". He fears going to jail. Hardly unique.
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Name GamePremium
join:2002-07-07
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kudos:7 | reply to norwegian
I think he has the right to be stupid..but for now I kinda like him being the doorman at the Ecuadorian Embassy..keeps him out of trouble. |
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Link LoggerPremium,MVM
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kudos:3 | reply to norwegian
said by norwegian:That we agree on.
Still though, doesn't the US' Fifth Amendment still raise eyebrows here?
The Fifth Amendment (Amendment V) to the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, protects against abuse of government authority in a legal procedure. Its guarantees stem from English common law which traces back to Magna Carta in 1215. For instance, grand juries and the phrase due process (also found in the 14th Amendment) both trace their origin to Magna Carta. » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amen···titutionWhile this story initially isn't about the US laws, far from it, but on the International stage, shouldn't or doesn't Assange feel this type of pressure and concern for his own well being? Let's forget the legal system for what he has been alleged of for a second, if he fears for his life or his well being, shouldn't he or anyone be entitled to safe passage before during and after? Anyway I'll get off my soapbox, the rights of a single person to defend him/herself are dwindling, you only have to hear of the so called "friends" all turn against him the moment the word "rape" was mentioned, guilty or not. "Oh what a wonderful world" (youtube clip) Has he been charged with anything yet, then thus far I think the only thing he has to fear from the US is his tin foil is to tight. The US doesn't like lots of people, but that doesn't mean they all disappear over night (OK Bin Laden did, but that was no secret he was on the hit list). When you play around those who commit crimes which bring about charges (ie Manning), then of course you might be investigated to see if you had a part, and Julian should know this. I mean the guy hasn't even had charges laid against him and he thinks he's going to disappear into the dark, never mind a trial (do you think the US could get away without a trial for him?). Julian is working the system to his benefit, playing supposed fear of the US against an investigation in Sweden.
Who he might want to start fearing are those who don't like the US, as wouldn't it be bad press/etc for the US if something mysterious happened to him and this is a situation of Julian's own making.
Blake
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 DrStrangeTechnically feasiblePremium
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kudos:1 | reply to The Snowman
Not to go OT, but whatever became of that 'insurance file'? |
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kudos:3 | said by DrStrange:Not to go OT, but whatever became of that 'insurance file'?
Still got it, but it might not be enough insurance 
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DrStrangeTechnically feasiblePremium
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West Hartford, CT
kudos:1 | OK. Just wondering if anyone figured out the decryption key yet, and if so what was in the file.
I'm assuming, from your response, that the key hasn't been released or discovered. |
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said by DrStrange:Not to go OT, but whatever became of that 'insurance file'?
• A Dispatch Disaster in Six Acts - 09/01/2011
• WikiLeaks:*new* 65 GB Insurance file, following "Spy Files" release - Feb 23, 2012 |
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kudos:3 | reply to DrStrange
said by DrStrange:OK. Just wondering if anyone figured out the decryption key yet, and if so what was in the file.
I'm assuming, from your response, that the key hasn't been released or discovered.
All I know is Julian hasn't released the key to me, now that isn't to say that someone hasn't figured out what the key was, just that wikileaks hasn't released it.
But really how much insurance could this file be holding. Wikileaks already confirmed what everyone already knew, so whats left?
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
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kudos:1 | I have a million dollar life insurance policy. How does that help me?
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I'm not sure.
It will help your immediate family though.
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Name GamePremium
join:2002-07-07
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kudos:7 | reply to AVD
said by AVD:I have a million dollar life insurance policy. How does that help me?
Take it with you..or better yet send me the premium..I'll invest it so you'll be rich when you get there. |
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AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
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Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | reply to norwegian
said by norwegian:I'm not sure.
It will help your immediate family though.
they should have insurance on me then,
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join:2002-08-04
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kudos:8 | reply to lordpuffer
said by lordpuffer:said by Frodo:It's exactly this matter. If I leaked classified Iranian material, should I be extradited to Iran? ...
... if Assange is indicted and extradited to the U.S., he's just going to serve time if found guilty. No political reason not to extradite or to grant asylum. ... So, if the prisons and treatment in Iran (or other nation) were U.S. style, you'd support extradition in the cited situation? |
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Fort Wayne, IN
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Life insurance serves only one functional purpose for a buyer: income replacement for his survivors. If one has no income (or no survivors), there is no need for such insurance. In Julian's case, Wikileaks' insurance files function differently (or so he probably hopes) - they exist to protect his life. On that, only time will tell...
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