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Palidino

join:2012-03-28
Orleans, ON

If i got fibe internet why cant i get fibe tv?

I got FTTN internet 15/10 but why cant i get fibe tv when i can get fibe internet? Cause dont the tv use the internet to stream?


kovy

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8

Maybe because the CO isn't ready?

There's more then simply Internet to make Bell IPTV work.



Glen1
These Are The Good Ol' Days.
Premium,MVM
join:2002-05-24
GTA Canada
kudos:8
Reviews:
·Bell Fibe
reply to Palidino

Fibe TV uses a private network signal and not the internet. They are separated via a Vlan structure...so no it isn't provided through the internet. As well Kovy stated it right...if the TV signal isn't provided to your source, be it in the Central Office or out on the OPI then it isn't available yet.
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My Canada includes Quebec.
Disclaimer: If I express an opinion, it is my own opinion, not that of Bell or its related companies.



JEDI

join:2005-04-11
Longueuil
kudos:1
Reviews:
·ELECTRONICBOX

said by Glen1:

Fibe TV uses a private network signal and not the internet. They are separated via a Vlan structure...so no it isn't provided through the internet. As well Kovy stated it right...if the TV signal isn't provided to your source, be it in the Central Office or out on the OPI then it isn't available yet.

Yet I cannot get Fibe TV without their internet! They said their internet is required for Fibe TV because their TV comes from the internet...

InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
kudos:5

said by JEDI:

They said their internet is required for Fibe TV because their TV comes from the internet...

The requirement likely has more to do with meeting their projected average revenue per port than anything else. If too many people ordered internet-less FibeTV (which some people have gotten in the form of 0GB-cap internet plan), Bell might end up having to bump the base price up several bucks to compensate.

If Bell decides to let people order 0GB Fibe16+ and let 3rd-party ISPs sell login-only account (no reason to object now that Bell can collect CBB fees), maybe there will be a day where FibeTV will be legitimately pairable with 3rd-party internet.

Palidino

join:2012-03-28
Orleans, ON

Ohh do you think i will get fibe tv in the future? If it doesnt have fiber optic in the building that means i most likly wont get it right? Unless they spend money to install fiber optics in our building?


kovy

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8
reply to Palidino

Can you get 25 /10 at your place ?


Palidino

join:2012-03-28
Orleans, ON

Yes i can get FTTN 25/10 but not FTTH



BliZZardX
Premium
join:2002-08-18
Toronto, ON
reply to Palidino

Fibe TV isn't available outside the GTA and Montreal. Different programming for every region requires access to local feeds and new encoders in new TV distribution hubs which Bell probably haven't built yet.



XanderLo

join:2002-06-19
Boucherville, QC

said by BliZZardX:

Fibe TV isn't available outside the GTA and Montreal. Different programming for every region requires access to local feeds and new encoders in new TV distribution hubs which Bell probably haven't built yet.

It is available outside the Montreal island but it's hit or miss depending on specific neighbourhoods. Pretty inconsistent modernization unfortunately.

InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
kudos:5

said by XanderLo:

Pretty inconsistent modernization unfortunately.

Can't do miracles with all the building permits and other licenses that they likely need to get before they can execute and complete a project.

Some times it may be due to companies waiting for the municipalities to tear open the streets for sewer, aqueduct or other maintenance to avoid having to pay the costs of opening and repairing the streets, other times it can be due to the municipality refusing to issue dig permits on roads where asphalt is younger then 2-5 years and there likely are dozens of other similar factors beyond the companies' control that can influence the order in which neighborhood get upgraded.


XanderLo

join:2002-06-19
Boucherville, QC

said by InvalidError:

said by XanderLo:

Pretty inconsistent modernization unfortunately.

Can't do miracles with all the building permits and other licenses that they likely need to get before they can execute and complete a project.

Some times it may be due to companies waiting for the municipalities to tear open the streets for sewer, aqueduct or other maintenance to avoid having to pay the costs of opening and repairing the streets, other times it can be due to the municipality refusing to issue dig permits on roads where asphalt is younger then 2-5 years and there likely are dozens of other similar factors beyond the companies' control that can influence the order in which neighborhood get upgraded.

Sorry but that's BS for a lot of cases. In many cities, someone can have access to the full package: 25/10 + FibeTV and someone else at 100-200m, same neighborhood, same city, same infrastructure but different street, hasn't got much (25/10 vs 5/1). This is called half-assed modernization. I guess they judge that the effort required for that extra 100-200m isn't worth the trouble but the customer doesn't give a shit what the reason is. It's still half-assed and frustrating, thus the reason why Videotron ain't budging (neither price-wise nor caps-wise).

It will be nice in a decade (or more?) when we all have FTTH.

kovy

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8

said by XanderLo:

said by InvalidError:

said by XanderLo:

Pretty inconsistent modernization unfortunately.

Can't do miracles with all the building permits and other licenses that they likely need to get before they can execute and complete a project.

Some times it may be due to companies waiting for the municipalities to tear open the streets for sewer, aqueduct or other maintenance to avoid having to pay the costs of opening and repairing the streets, other times it can be due to the municipality refusing to issue dig permits on roads where asphalt is younger then 2-5 years and there likely are dozens of other similar factors beyond the companies' control that can influence the order in which neighborhood get upgraded.

Sorry but that's BS for a lot of cases. In many cities, someone can have access to the full package: 25/10 + FibeTV and someone else at 100-200m, same neighborhood, same city, same infrastructure but different street, hasn't got much (25/10 vs 5/1). This is called half-assed modernization. I guess they judge that the effort required for that extra 100-200m isn't worth the trouble but the customer doesn't give a shit what the reason is. It's still half-assed and frustrating, thus the reason why Videotron ain't budging (neither price-wise nor caps-wise).

It will be nice in a decade (or more?) when we all have FTTH.

200m in bird view or 200m in wire ?


XanderLo

join:2002-06-19
Boucherville, QC

said by kovy:

200m in bird view or 200m in wire ?

300m in wire. That's enough for break or make with Bell unfortunately considering the half-assed modernization. And I'm really feeling for people I know 1.8km away who can get max 5/1. Same city, same infrastructure. Cable is perfectly deployed all around here but alas, it's Videotron here. ;,(

kovy

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8

said by XanderLo:

said by kovy:

200m in bird view or 200m in wire ?

300m in wire. That's enough for break or make with Bell unfortunately considering the half-assed modernization. And I'm really feeling for people I know 1.8km away who can get max 5/1. Same city, same infrastructure. Cable is perfectly deployed all around here but alas, it's Videotron here. ;,(

Cable is probably easier to upgrade for Internet then a phone cable, eh?


XanderLo

join:2002-06-19
Boucherville, QC

said by kovy:

said by XanderLo:

said by kovy:

200m in bird view or 200m in wire ?

300m in wire. That's enough for break or make with Bell unfortunately considering the half-assed modernization. And I'm really feeling for people I know 1.8km away who can get max 5/1. Same city, same infrastructure. Cable is perfectly deployed all around here but alas, it's Videotron here. ;,(

Cable is probably easier to upgrade for Internet then a phone cable, eh?

Especially when they've been sitting on their ass for so long. heh
But hey, better late than never. FTTH will be nice to have in a decade. :x

kovy

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8

said by XanderLo:

Especially when they've been sitting on their ass for so long. heh
But hey, better late than never. FTTH will be nice to have in a decade. :x

Sure, they're late... but then again, price aren't better... nor will they get better at this rate (which is really my main issue).


XanderLo

join:2002-06-19
Boucherville, QC

said by kovy:

said by XanderLo:

Especially when they've been sitting on their ass for so long. heh
But hey, better late than never. FTTH will be nice to have in a decade. :x

Sure, they're late... but then again, price aren't better... nor will they get better at this rate (which is really my main issue).

Trust me, Bell prices are -WAY- better than Videotron's, hence why I'd prefer to stick with Bell and get VDSL2 for the decent upload speed.

kovy

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8

said by XanderLo:

said by kovy:

said by XanderLo:

Especially when they've been sitting on their ass for so long. heh
But hey, better late than never. FTTH will be nice to have in a decade. :x

Sure, they're late... but then again, price aren't better... nor will they get better at this rate (which is really my main issue).

Trust me, Bell prices are -WAY- better than Videotron's, hence why I'd prefer to stick with Bell and get VDSL2 for the decent upload speed.

Trust you ? I know, there just a bit better... but it's far from OMG wow amazing prices here. I rather be with a wholesale ISP then either of them price wise.

I'm not sure what prices you're looking at...


XanderLo

join:2002-06-19
Boucherville, QC

said by kovy:

Trust you ? I know, there just a bit better... but it's far from OMG wow amazing prices here. I rather be with a wholesale ISP then either of them price wise.

I'm not sure what prices you're looking at...

With Videotron, you're looking at around 15$ more for a slower service with a f*cking ridiculous cap. If you include wholesalers, then ok, I agree with you, but Bell doesn't charge any fees for dry loop which is another 10$ added to the bill. For those reasons, Bell is hands down the best overall provider here in Quebec especially if you have no land line (seriously, what young couples do?). Unfortunately, they're so far behind Videotron deployment-wise. That pretty much sums it up here.

Now, I'll repeat it again... if Videotron could raise upstream profiles, EBOX would become a great alternative all of a sudden.

kovy

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8

said by XanderLo:

said by kovy:

Trust you ? I know, there just a bit better... but it's far from OMG wow amazing prices here. I rather be with a wholesale ISP then either of them price wise.

I'm not sure what prices you're looking at...

With Videotron, you're looking at around 15$ more for a slower service with a f*cking ridiculous cap. If you include wholesalers, then ok, I agree with you, but Bell doesn't charge any fees for dry loop which is another 10$ added to the bill. For those reasons, Bell is hands down the best overall provider here in Quebec especially if you have no land line (seriously, what young couples do?). Unfortunately, they're so far behind Videotron deployment-wise. That pretty much sums it up here.

Now, I'll repeat it again... if Videotron could raise upstream profiles, EBOX would become a great alternative all of a sudden.

Where ? Videotron 30mb is like 66ish... Bell fibe 25 is like 68ish... both have horrible CAPs.

Again, Wholesale cable is even better deal... no dry loop fee either, since that's non existent on cable.


XanderLo

join:2002-06-19
Boucherville, QC

said by kovy:

Where ? Videotron 30mb is like 66ish... Bell fibe 25 is like 68ish... both have horrible CAPs.

Again, Wholesale cable is even better deal... no dry loop fee either, since that's non existent on cable.

Mehh... you know just like me that regular prices are meaningless. Videotron rarely offers any discount whereas Bell always has big promos. For example, I pay 57$ + taxes for Bell Satellite (including HD + 2 theme pkgs + 1 free PVR rental) and Fibe 15/10. This is just unachieveable with Videotron and with an inferior Internet service (8/1 with 50GB cap instead of 15/10 with 100GB cap).

kovy

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8

said by XanderLo:

said by kovy:

Where ? Videotron 30mb is like 66ish... Bell fibe 25 is like 68ish... both have horrible CAPs.

Again, Wholesale cable is even better deal... no dry loop fee either, since that's non existent on cable.

Mehh... you know just like me that regular prices are meaningless. Videotron rarely offers any discount whereas Bell always has big promos. For example, I pay 57$ + taxes for Bell Satellite (including HD + 2 theme pkgs + 1 free PVR rental) and Fibe 15/10. This is just unachieveable with Videotron and with an inferior Internet service (8/1 with 50GB cap instead of 15/10 with 100GB cap).

Regular prices are everything... I'm not spending hours to talk and beg a rep to lower the prices... Bell big promos last like 6 months...

X10A

join:2004-07-13
Brossard, QC
reply to Palidino

videotron's approach is different then bell, when I had videotron their customer relation is awesome and I get very deep discount, something I have trouble getting from bell. Not to mention, videotron's support is far superior then bell. I never had to wrestle with a videotron phone rep, nor their field tech. Bell on the other hand is a total nightmare.

Only thing I find Bell better is having better incentive at sign up, but in the long run videotron takes over. And bell's phone will not get instant kill by power outage...

This is based on my experience of having both videotron and bell tv + internet in the same house for 6 months.



XanderLo

join:2002-06-19
Boucherville, QC

said by X10A:

videotron's approach is different then bell, when I had videotron their customer relation is awesome and I get very deep discount, something I have trouble getting from bell. Not to mention, videotron's support is far superior then bell. I never had to wrestle with a videotron phone rep, nor their field tech. Bell on the other hand is a total nightmare.

Only thing I find Bell better is having better incentive at sign up, but in the long run videotron takes over. And bell's phone will not get instant kill by power outage...

This is based on my experience of having both videotron and bell tv + internet in the same house for 6 months.

I had a totally different experience with both Videotron and Bell in 3 different apartments and 2 different houses in 10 years. Videotron barely ever given any big discounts whereas with Bell, I always had top notch deals. Try 57$ + taxes for Bell Satellite with HD (2 theme pkgs) + 1 free PVR + Fibe 15/10 Internet with 100GB cap. Only problem for me right now with Bell is half-assed modernization. Can only get 15/0.8 max for God knows how many years.