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jsoto

@verizon.net

Fios SD - HD channel remapping

Do you think we will ever see SD-HD channel remapping --ala-- DTV style where the HD will override the SD by default when hitting just channel 5 instead of 505, etc.



aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA

I hate that DirecTV feature.


comp
Premium
join:2001-08-16
Evans City, PA

said by aaronwt:

I hate that DirecTV feature.

Really? it think that is one of the best


matcarl
Premium
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY
reply to jsoto

They already have something close to it by just hitting the C button. At least it gives you the option.



Greg2600

join:2008-05-20
Belleville, NJ
reply to jsoto

Doesn't do much for me, as I hardly ever venture into SD territory!



jsoto

@verizon.net
reply to aaronwt

Uh. Why.
U prefer to watch the same content in SD when it's also broadcast in HD ?

DTV gives YOU the option to turn it on or off .
Not sure what's there to hate....



aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA

said by jsoto :

Uh. Why.
U prefer to watch the same content in SD when it's also broadcast in HD ?

DTV gives YOU the option to turn it on or off .
Not sure what's there to hate....

I want to know the channel I'm looking at. I don't want to be on certain channel number that is showing content from a different channel number.

I want the content on the channel number to match what I'm watching.

This feature seems like it's aimed at the people who know nothing, or don't care about HD(like the people who are watching SD content on an HD set and swear it looks great and are watching HD, the ones that have no clue). It forces them to watch the HD content when they go to an SD channel.

If I ever tune to an SD channel it is on purpose, not by mistake. So I expect to see SD content from an SD channel.

Os

join:2011-01-26
US

Most people don't know anything.

One of the things in my mind that holds back HD adoption rates from providers and limits the number of HD channels for those who have it is having the different channel numbers, in addition to box fees, programming fees, and bandwidth.


PJL

join:2008-07-24
Long Beach, CA
kudos:2

said by Os:

Most people don't know anything.

One of the things in my mind that holds back HD adoption rates from providers and limits the number of HD channels for those who have it is having the different channel numbers, in addition to box fees, programming fees, and bandwidth.

You all may have forgotten that DirecTV scatters the HD channels around next to the equivalent SD channel. FiOS puts most (except some PPV, etc.) HD channels in a block starting at 500. I would think most people could undertand that but might have more of a issue remembering what the HD channels are when they're mixed right in with the SD channels.
I do not believe "having the different channel number" holds back HD adoption rates.

billhere

join:2011-10-21
Santa Monica, CA
reply to jsoto

I switched from DirecTV to FiOS last October. I really preferred the DirecTV channel mapping, but it was fairly easy to get used to HD channels starting in the 500 range, especially with the C key feature.

Most channels are fine, 2 corresponds to 502 and 70 corresponds to 570, but 50 corresponds to 508, and 189 corresponds to 689.


Os

join:2011-01-26
US
reply to PJL

For old people used to turning to channel 5 who now have to use channel 505, it is a challenge. It's better with FiOS because it at least makes sense, a ton of lineups don't. Comcast will have you turn to 231 for an HD channel that's SD channel 5, what does that mean?

It is definitely part of what holds back HD adoption rates. Technology fees are a bigger part of it though, but I see no problem with what DirecTV does with their channel mapping. I think it's more of a problem that they add an additional $10/month for HD without auto bill pay.


PJL

join:2008-07-24
Long Beach, CA
kudos:2

1 recommendation

said by Os:

For old people used to turning to channel 5 who now have to use channel 505, it is a challenge....

I think you're giving our seniors a bad rap. Having them remember very different channel numbers for HD channels versus familiar channels like "5" is indeed a challenge -- but not just for them but for everyone. But adding "500" to the "familiar" channel number is not very difficult to grasp, and all the "old people" I know can add.


Jackarino
YacCity
Premium
join:2006-12-28
Allendale, NJ
kudos:1
reply to jsoto

1 thing I liked with CV is that all SD channels are automatically switched to HD


texastown

join:2008-04-25
Plano, TX
reply to jsoto

As FIOS no longer has SD boxes, those of us with remaining SD tvs around our homes use HD boxes for SD tvs. And I like the SD pic on that tv, so automatic switching would be annoying for me.

Otherwise, I think most people probably know how to tune to the upper channels for HD and the info screen clearly tells you to hit the C if you want the HD version of the channel.



miataman

join:2010-10-27
Chelmsford, MA
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to billhere

said by billhere:

189 corresponds to 689.

. 89 goes with 589... simply ADD 500 to most SD chan #'s, ergo BBC/A = 189SD and 689HD.
--
"My hat, my cane, Jeeves".


jsoto

@verizon.net
reply to texastown

I take it channel SD TO HD remapping has not been discussed as a feature change. I get the C...

My wife, who's accustomed to using DTV for years just hit's 5 ....
It's natural habit I suppose.

I don't think it would be hard to implement but I guess there's always a reason for NOT doing it.


comp
Premium
join:2001-08-16
Evans City, PA
Reviews:
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·DIRECTV
reply to aaronwt

said by aaronwt:

said by jsoto :

Uh. Why.
U prefer to watch the same content in SD when it's also broadcast in HD ?

DTV gives YOU the option to turn it on or off .
Not sure what's there to hate....

I want to know the channel I'm looking at. I don't want to be on certain channel number that is showing content from a different channel number.

I want the content on the channel number to match what I'm watching.

This feature seems like it's aimed at the people who know nothing, or don't care about HD(like the people who are watching SD content on an HD set and swear it looks great and are watching HD, the ones that have no clue). It forces them to watch the HD content when they go to an SD channel.

If I ever tune to an SD channel it is on purpose, not by mistake. So I expect to see SD content from an SD channel.

Right but is there a reason you would tune to a SD version of a channel instead of the HD. The whole point of the Direct TV feature was that if there was an HD Version of a channel, it would only map to that one and not the SD one


webcobbler

@verizon.net
reply to miataman

This is one of my favorite things about FiOS. Adding 500 to get an HD channel. And pressing "C" to go to the HD equivalent channel is great too.

Way back when I had the Crap-of-Com, I loathed trying to find an HD channel, besides the Picture quality etc. Ex: ch. 57 is this in SD, in HD its ch. 667 and 845 in HD. WHAAT? two HD channels for thee same channel? What the Hell.

I just Love the adding 500 feature. It is so simple to remember, and that "C" to watch in HD, is great as well. Also, a bunch of features from FiOS makes them so easy for the everyday person, that other companies do not make as easy to understand or figure out.


Mtaz

join:2008-10-21
Hawthorne, NJ
reply to Greg2600

Ditto!



Ike1

join:2012-06-02
Newark, NJ
reply to comp

said by aaronwt:

Right but is there a reason you would tune to a SD version of a channel instead of the HD. The whole point of the Direct TV feature was that if there was an HD Version of a channel, it would only map to that one and not the SD one

I can't speak for others, but for me, I like having the SD channels for recording purposes, to save space. I don't need the SD channels for live TV but they can be useful if I'm running out of hard drive space on the DVR. There are some programs that I don't need to see in HD anyway, like the Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson. I'll record it in HD if I have a lot of space, but I can choose the SD version if I don't. More importantly, my friends with 6416 DVRs (only 180 GB, I think) record the Daily Show and Colbert Report in SD and they would be really ticked off if they couldn't do that to save space.

I used to have Cablevision and they re-mapped the HD channels over the SD channels and eliminated those SD channels. I was REALLY annoyed -- especially because Cablevision only has (or had, at the time) 180 GB DVRs and nothing bigger, and no way to add an external hard drive. So I'd run out of space on that stupid DVR (with its primitive interface, looking like it was programmed on a Commodore 64 or something!) in the blink of an eye.

I'm all in favor of re-mapping for live TV as long as I can CHOOSE to record in SD (maybe as a menu option after you hit "record" or something like that). There are a LOT of VERY ignorant people out there who don't know the difference between SD and HD and will keep surfing through the 0-500 channels and saying, "Why does this look so bad compared to Cablevision? I'm going back to Cablevision!" Never overestimate the intelligence of the average person.


webcobbler

@verizon.net

Ike1,

the 6416 is 160 GBs/ The "16" indicated the GBs of the HD.

Anyway,

I would implore you and/or your friends to upgrade your DVRs to 7000 series DVRs. Then they can use eSATA if they want. I say this because very soon, there will be more MPEG4 channels being added, and converted. If one does not have a 7000 series HD box, then you can not get these channels.

They already have done this with the MLB Extra Innings channels, as well as Spanish Package channels to start.

I do know that the Discovery Networks are in the process of switching their Satellites to MPEG4. The Animal Planet, and Science channel are MPEG4, and in September, Destination America, TLC, and the Discovery Channel itself will be switched over to MPEG4.

After they switch, for the people who still have 6000 series boxes, they will get a prompt on their TVs saying they need to upgrade to 7000 series HD boxes and DVRs.

I just thought you should know, before the day comes when one is surfing the TV and is like : WTF, I get Discovery Channel, but I can't tune to it because my box not MPEG4 etc.

Just a little heads up.



matcarl
Premium
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY

Just because Discovery is changing to MPEG4 does not mean Verizon is converting those channels. You're getting ahead of yourself.



aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
reply to webcobbler

Surfing the TV?? No need for that with a DVR.


shark2k

join:2008-06-01
West Orange, NJ
reply to comp

said by comp:

Right but is there a reason you would tune to a SD version of a channel instead of the HD. The whole point of the Direct TV feature was that if there was an HD Version of a channel, it would only map to that one and not the SD one

Yes. When I watch Family Guy on TBS I watch it on the SD channel because TBS decided that they will stretch 4:3 content to fit my screen, which I loathe. Let me decide that myself, don't do that for me.

-Shark2k


Andy from CA
Premium
join:2008-09-05
Anaheim, CA

said by shark2k:

said by comp:

Right but is there a reason you would tune to a SD version of a channel instead of the HD. The whole point of the Direct TV feature was that if there was an HD Version of a channel, it would only map to that one and not the SD one

Yes. When I watch Family Guy on TBS I watch it on the SD channel because TBS decided that they will stretch 4:3 content to fit my screen, which I loathe. Let me decide that myself, don't do that for me.

-Shark2k

Couldn't agree more Shark2k as they've never shown a widescreen movie on 4:3 TV anamorphic save for the credits. It was pan-n-scan or letterboxed. Why not go status quo on HD?

tnsprin

join:2003-07-23
Bradenton, FL
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to comp

said by comp:

said by aaronwt:

I hate that DirecTV feature.

Really? it think that is one of the best

Could always be made an option. And perhaps hitting the c button could then bring you back to the SD version of the channel.


Ike1

join:2012-06-02
Newark, NJ
reply to webcobbler

said by webcobbler :

I would implore you and/or your friends to upgrade your DVRs to 7000 series DVRs. Then they can use eSATA if they want. I say this because very soon, there will be more MPEG4 channels being added, and converted. If one does not have a 7000 series HD box, then you can not get these channels.

They already have done this with the MLB Extra Innings channels, as well as Spanish Package channels to start.

Verizon is giving us BBC America HD in MPEG2, not MPEG4, so I think that shoots a pretty big hole in your MPEG4 speculation, unfortunately.

I agree with Matcarl. I'd love it if Verizon made more space by distributing more channels in MPEG4 but they're clearly not going to do that. Someone (claiming to be) from Verizon already said they're not switching any existing channels to MPEG4, not even those putrid useless .tv channels! Any channel that comes from satellite in MPEG4 is already being converted to MPEG2 by Verizon. (Isn't HBO native MPEG4?) And so will Discovery. Verizon doesn't want to deal with the flood of requests for new DVRs they'd get if they switched popular channels to MPEG4. (MLB Extra Innings and that Spanish package are not widely-watched so they can get away with it there.)

So, thanks for the advice, but I already have a 7232 (I got lucky with the installer). It's my friends who have 6416s. Never mind getting them to upgrade -- I was barely able to get some of them to let me fix the settings so that the SD channels would not be all insanely stretched out. One of them got Fios just a few months ago and they gave him a 6416. Either there was still a hard-drive shortage from the after-effects of floods in Thailand, or Verizon just doesn't care and would prefer to hand out crappy old equipment than to switch any popular channels to MPEG4 any time soon to make more space. I suspect the latter.

Anyway, more on topic, Shark2k makes an excellent point. Another show that looks idiotic in HD on a Turner channel is Charmed (a dumb show, IMO) which I stumbled across all stretched out on TNT HD the other day. The stretched-out visuals hurt my brain and made my eyeballs scream.

I guess anybody who likes that goofy show needs TNT SD.

fishacura

join:2008-01-25
Phoenixville, PA
reply to aaronwt

Wow really? I would love it. Dumb to have to go through 100-199 to know you're seeing all the channels VZ offers in that range, then pick a channel and hit 'C' to see if it's in HD. If you go to the HD range (say 600-699 for arguments sake) some channels won't be there and you'd need to cycle through 100-199 anyway to see the SD only channels. Dumb!

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rv81

@verizon.net

Does anyone know if FIOS will be adding this feature in the near future?

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