dslreports logo
site
 
    All Forums Hot Topics Gallery
spc

spacer




how-to block ads


Search Topic:
uniqs
17423
share rss forum feed

silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to Alpha Phoenix

Re: Wii U

In the end it will all depend on the developers. Despite strong Wii console sales, the software sales have been consistently weaker than the other consoles with the exception of 1st party (Nintendo) games. The games will make or break the Wii U. Nintendo has historically not done a good job of being pro-developers. Along with the closure of Nintendo Power, I would imagine Wii U game sales are going to be weak.



88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to JBear

said by JBear:

b) Who really is going to buy an end of the line PS3 which is still at the same price of it's launch? And the 720 and PS4 will probably launch on Xmas 2013 so Nintendo will have a year just to themselves (which happened last generation). Some people will just need to 'upgrade' their current Wii.

end of the line? PS3 will have a 10 year life cycle so that will end in 2016. The last PS2 game just got released this year. That came out 11 years ago.

One of the main reasons the Wii sold do well was because it was cheaper than the rest. The WiiU does not have that advantage.

And I'd buy a PS3 over a WiiU. The $300 version has what 8 GB of storage? So how much is extra storage going to cost. The PS3 has 500 GB. Have fun taking turns on the Wii since it comes with one controller and they are not selling extras er in the US. In Japan yes and they cost over $150.


Silvanos
It's a new Silvanos experience
Premium
join:2002-10-07
Tonawanda, NY

1 recommendation

I'm no fan of the Wii but they already said the Wiimotes will work on the WiiU so it won't be a single player.
--
Any it new they in one. You here for mine you here.
-JV



C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
Premium
join:2001-10-03
Tempe, AZ

1 recommendation

reply to 88615298

The WiiU will have an SDHC slot; not sure if it supports SDXC yet, but the system has yet to come out... and it could be like the Wii that initially didn't support SDHC cards, but was able to after the 4.0 System Menu update.

Launch games for the WiiU would only support one touch-screen controller anyway... though it has been stated that they intend on bringing support for at least two per system down the line. And as Silvanos See Profile pointed out, the WiiU will natively support existing Wii remotes, et al, as it's directly BC with the standard Wii.

Further, unlike the current difference between standard and modified Wii's, the WiiU will natively support external storage this time... I think Nintendo learned its lesson form the hacking community on that one. lol
--
Because, f*ck Sony


silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to Silvanos

Nintento is actually going to have to try to meet demand this time around. The Wii had shortages for months. Since the console was highly anticipated, that was fine. The WiiU does not have near as much steam. If Nintendo wants a great holiday season, they better not let people down by not making enough. Most people have a 360 or PS3 already. If parents can't get a hold of a WiiU, my guess is most won't hesitate to buy some PS3 or 360 games instead of the WiiU.

said by Silvanos:

I'm no fan of the Wii but they already said the Wiimotes will work on the WiiU so it won't be a single player.

True, but not all games will support the wiimote. Many will require the new controller.


danawhitaker
Space...The Final Frontier
Premium
join:2002-03-02
Urbandale, IA

1 recommendation

reply to 88615298

said by 88615298:

said by JBear:

b) Who really is going to buy an end of the line PS3 which is still at the same price of it's launch? And the 720 and PS4 will probably launch on Xmas 2013 so Nintendo will have a year just to themselves (which happened last generation). Some people will just need to 'upgrade' their current Wii.

end of the line? PS3 will have a 10 year life cycle so that will end in 2016. The last PS2 game just got released this year. That came out 11 years ago.

One of the main reasons the Wii sold do well was because it was cheaper than the rest. The WiiU does not have that advantage.

And I'd buy a PS3 over a WiiU. The $300 version has what 8 GB of storage? So how much is extra storage going to cost. The PS3 has 500 GB. Have fun taking turns on the Wii since it comes with one controller and they are not selling extras er in the US. In Japan yes and they cost over $150.

The new PS3 model that's going to be released is only going to have 12gb. With just game saves on my 360, I don't even come close to using half the 20gb capacity my console came with. I actually need to clean up the hard drive because I downloaded a lot of demos a few years ago I never bothered to actually play and played around with that feature where you can install games to the hard drive. Since you have to have the disc in the drive anyway, and the only reason I'd do that is for the convenience of not having to have the disc in my vicinity, the novelty of doing that wore off fairly quickly.

There are those of us out there who aren't into the whole downloading games thing. We prefer to buy our games at the store, on some kind of disc. All we need is space for game saves, and I suspect 8gb is going to be more than enough to handle that.

As for the controller thing, it's ultimately too difficult to speculate right now on exactly how that will play out, because that's going to depend on the controller requirements of the games the system launches with. And as others have stated, existing Wiimotes will work. I never got the impression with this system that the idea was to have everyone using the touchscreen controllers for playing. Maybe I'm wrong. The non-touchscreen controller that's not going to be available right away is very similar to the Xbox 360. I admit, I wish they were including one of those. Controller prices for all the consoles are steep these days.
--
You're watching Sports Night on CSC so stick around...


Goggalor
Psychonaut
Premium
join:2009-06-09
Your Mind!
kudos:2

said by danawhitaker:

The new PS3 model that's going to be released is only going to have 12gb. With just game saves on my 360, I don't even come close to using half the 20gb capacity my console came with. I actually need to clean up the hard drive because I downloaded a lot of demos a few years ago I never bothered to actually play and played around with that feature where you can install games to the hard drive. Since you have to have the disc in the drive anyway, and the only reason I'd do that is for the convenience of not having to have the disc in my vicinity, the novelty of doing that wore off fairly quickly.

The benefit of installing on the 360 is that games actually do load faster and the system is actually quieter as it not trying to pull all of the data straight from the disc.
--
From Psychonauts -
Lungfish Civilian: (describing Goggalor) He's impervious to bullets! ... and love!
--


C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
Premium
join:2001-10-03
Tempe, AZ
reply to danawhitaker

said by danawhitaker:

The new PS3 model that's going to be released is only going to have 12gb. With just game saves on my 360, I don't even come close to using half the 20gb capacity my console came with. I actually need to clean up the hard drive because I downloaded a lot of demos a few years ago I never bothered to actually play and played around with that feature where you can install games to the hard drive. Since you have to have the disc in the drive anyway, and the only reason I'd do that is for the convenience of not having to have the disc in my vicinity, the novelty of doing that wore off fairly quickly.

Here in the U.S., the super slim PS3 started at 250GB and 500GB models. Overseas in the EU and other regions, the 'starter' super slim PS3 is a 12GB model. And word has it from the patent that this edition would need an additional adapter to install more space.

This is a huge problem with the PS3 in particular, since many games on disc practically require some amount of internal storage for game data or mandatory installs. And even those that offer it optionally would need it anyway just to have load time parity if the game were also available on the Xbox 360. Case in point: Street Fighter IV on both systems...

On PS3:
•Average load time purely off the BluRay: 20 seconds per match.
•With Optional Install: 8 seconds

Part of you is thinking "awesome", right? Well...

On Xbox 360:
•Load time purely off the DVD: 8 seconds
•With the post-NXE install option: 3 seconds

When you play online without that optional install, people will hate you for it.
--
Because, f*ck Sony


worn_out

@comcast.net

In addition to the above mentioned points, installing games reduces wear and tear on the dvd drive. We're on our 5th, probably soon to be 6th, 360. The dvd drive failed in all four prior 360s that we had. Of course, then again, the disc tray also decides to just quit opening right about the time the drive starts to go south

As much as I want the WiiU to succeed, I feel that the WiiU will be the GameCube all over again. Not to say that the 'Cube was bad, it was just too little, too late. Most Wii users that wanted something beefier most likely purchased a 360/PS3, instead of waiting for a more powerful Wii. Even now, and at the WiiU launch, the 360/PS3 will still be a better choice, as those are established, mature platforms.

I speculate that if the WiiU fails, Nintendo will have to rely on the already established Wii and handheld markets. But now the handheld market has more competition than it did during the N64/GameCube eras, and the Wii will eventually wind down. If tablets and smartphones somehow rub out dedicated handhelds, and the WiiU does fail, Nintendo could possibly be the next Sega.



bionicRod
Funkier than a mohair disco ball.
Premium
join:2009-07-06
united state
kudos:2
reply to Alpha Phoenix

IDK...I still think the year to itself as the next 'next gen' console will spur sales all by itself. People that have a 360, PS3 and Wii are ready for something different. This is the only game in town. That's not a bad place to be.



danawhitaker
Space...The Final Frontier
Premium
join:2002-03-02
Urbandale, IA
reply to C0deZer0

I don't do online play, so the speed increase for loading times isn't a huge deal for me. I can see how it might be for people who do.

Out of curiosity with the PS3, do you have some examples of how much internal storage might be required for game data or mandatory installs outside of just standard saves?

In regard to worn_out, how much usage is your console getting? That really seems like an awful lot of failures. I know some pretty avid 360 gamers who had other failure issues pop up well before that one.
--
You're watching Sports Night on CSC so stick around...



C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
Premium
join:2001-10-03
Tempe, AZ

I can't speak for all games... but I know most are around the 2-4GB per game variety. Borderlands (with all the expansions) is around 6GB of an install, while still requiring the disk.

Gran Turismo I don't have, but I understand it's rather infamous with the amount of surreptitious installs of data onto the hard drive. Frankly, one of the biggest arguments for an SSD was to shorten those install and load times for THIS GAME!

I just know on average, when I am able to try a game that is on both systems, the mandatory/optional installs for the PS3 only seem to bring it to have the same loading times as it would be on 360 if I just played from its disc. To my understanding, only 6 games in the entire 360 catalog are defaulted to not support the NXE install feature, because they were the few that actually turned out to perform worse this way. IIRC, none of those were multiplatform games, though.
--
Because, f*ck Sony



Alpha Phoenix
Premium
join:2001-06-15
Brooklyn, NY
kudos:1
reply to worn_out

Well, actually the demand for the Wii U has been through the roof! Pre-orders are completely sold out already at Game Stop, Walmart, K Mart, Toys-R-Us, and on Amazon and Game Stop they are completely on backorder, and with the huge demand, they don't even know when they are going to be getting the next batch in! Even Nintendo World themselves here in NYC have completely sold out of pre-orders also! Check out how much people are actually paying for the pre-orders on Craigslist and on eBay!
--
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo



worn_out

@comcast.net

said by danawhitaker :
In regard to worn_out, how much usage is your console getting?
Our 360 does get played for 3-4 hours a day, almost daily. So I do suppose our level of use may contribute to early drive failures. A 360 usually lasts for about two years before the drive starts throwing disc read error fits. The disc read errors increase in frequency until the drive is unusable, and in addition to that, the disc tray starts failing to open up.

Our first 360 (A Xenon) actually suffered from the RROD as the disc drive was failing. Our third 360 didn't even last a year. I've come to the conclusion that when our current 360 breaks, we're going to just buy a new 360 with a 320GB hdd, and install/run our games off the hdd. Considering that our current 360 just passed the two year mark, that moment is rapidly approaching.


bionicRod
Funkier than a mohair disco ball.
Premium
join:2009-07-06
united state
kudos:2
reply to Alpha Phoenix

said by Alpha Phoenix:

Well, actually the demand for the Wii U has been through the roof! Pre-orders are completely sold out already at Game Stop, Walmart, K Mart, Toys-R-Us, and on Amazon and Game Stop they are completely on backorder, and with the huge demand, they don't even know when they are going to be getting the next batch in! Even Nintendo World themselves here in NYC have completely sold out of pre-orders also! Check out how much people are actually paying for the pre-orders on Craigslist and on eBay!

Limiting your production to virtually guarantee a sell-out is a well known marketing tactic to increase hype. If Nintendo wanted to have enough availabe to keep shelves stocked, there'd be enough available. They're trying to make the WiiU the hot Christmas item, and will probably succeed.


Snakeoil
Ignore Button. The coward's feature.
Premium
join:2000-08-05
Mentor, OH
kudos:1
reply to danawhitaker

quote:
Out of curiosity with the PS3, do you have some examples of how much internal storage might be required for game data or mandatory installs outside of just standard saves?

It depends on the game. Could be from a few MBs to a few GBs. Also if you purchase down loadable content.

A nice thing about the PS3 is the hard drive is easy to upgrade. I did it once with my PS3.

Though my PS3 is mainly used to watch netflix/DVDs/Blue rays on.
--
Is a person a failure for doing nothing? Or is he a failure for trying, and not succeeding at what he is attempting to do? What did you fail at today?.

silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to bionicRod

said by bionicRod:

said by Alpha Phoenix:

Well, actually the demand for the Wii U has been through the roof! Pre-orders are completely sold out already at Game Stop, Walmart, K Mart, Toys-R-Us, and on Amazon and Game Stop they are completely on backorder, and with the huge demand, they don't even know when they are going to be getting the next batch in! Even Nintendo World themselves here in NYC have completely sold out of pre-orders also! Check out how much people are actually paying for the pre-orders on Craigslist and on eBay!

Limiting your production to virtually guarantee a sell-out is a well known marketing tactic to increase hype. If Nintendo wanted to have enough availabe to keep shelves stocked, there'd be enough available. They're trying to make the WiiU the hot Christmas item, and will probably succeed.

It will increase hype, but that will only increase sales if they meet enough of the demand to satisfy consumers. They have a reputation of not being able to meet that demand. The Nintendo DS is particularly memorable on that front. Strong hype and ultimately it sold very well. But it wasn't because they limited the supply, it was because people simply wanted it. I remember many people being unable to get it in time for Christmas. But the market was more forgiving at that time. If Nintendo pulls that again they could damage their immediate sales. People don't like to wait around as much as they were once willing to do. People have grown to expect companies to meet the demand, similar to what Amazon did for the Kindle Fire. Apple has been doing a pretty good job lately too. It could be another interesting holiday season.
Expand your moderator at work


signmeuptoo
Bless you Howie
Premium
join:2001-11-22
NanoParticle
kudos:5
reply to 88615298

Re: Wii U

said by 88615298:

said by ptrowski:

Remember when people predicted the Wii would fail? Me too. It didn't. You keep mentioning serious gamers, but don't forget the huge market of people who aren't. Overall the wii can be a fun console, and to have it upgraded with better graphics etc will be nice.

It sold because it had a gimmicky controller and much lower price than the PS3 and XBOX 360. The WiiU will NOT be lower than these 2 and no one cares about this new gimmick they have. And their old gimmick is incorporated in the 360 and PS3.

If you look at an apples to apples comparison the WiiU will sell less units than the 360 or PS3 which is the consoles it should be compared too. I'm sick of people comparing Wii sales to PS3 and 360 when the Wii was a glorified PS2/Xbox.

So if Sony or MS offers an innovation, it is an innovation. If Nintendo offers an innovation, it is a gimmick? C'mon, they are moving the tech forward. Until holographic tech arrives, things like this are neat and excite shoppers to buy.

And I agree "Serious Gamers"? What a term! If you're not a SERIOUS gamer, what are you, a loser? I think not. Gaming is supposed to be fun and is supposed to enrich life. Whatever any company offers towards that end is just fine. Wii people are just as valid as PS3 people.

OMGz, !m $0 !33t! Yeah, and so?
--
Join Teams Helix and Discovery. Rest in Peace, Leonard David Smith, my best friend, you are missed badly! Rest in peace, Pop, glad our last years were good. Please pray for Colin, he has ependymoma, a brain cancer, donate to a children's Hospital.


Metatron2008
Premium
join:2008-09-02
united state

Seriously, as a long time Nintendo fan, they are pretty much THE gimmick company. At least today they are. They still make fun games, but add largely useless gimmicks, such as the wii mote or '3d'.

The wii mote suffered largely from accuracy issues, as well as the graphics. The accuracy issue and the lgeions of shit games kept it mainly a gimmick.



signmeuptoo
Bless you Howie
Premium
join:2001-11-22
NanoParticle
kudos:5

1 recommendation

Well, MS has their watcha ma call it, the thing that has cameras that watch your body movement. Isn't that a gimmick? I don't follow this stuff much, but my impression is, if they are gimmicks, Sony and MS do it too. What's in a name...



Metatron2008
Premium
join:2008-09-02
united state

In a lot of ways. It tracks movement better then the wii however.



bionicRod
Funkier than a mohair disco ball.
Premium
join:2009-07-06
united state
kudos:2
reply to signmeuptoo

said by signmeuptoo:

Well, MS has their watcha ma call it, the thing that has cameras that watch your body movement. Isn't that a gimmick? I don't follow this stuff much, but my impression is, if they are gimmicks, Sony and MS do it too. What's in a name...

Yep. The only motion control scheme that I've actually liked for 'hardcore' games has been the PS Move with the gun peripheral. It works as well if not better than any controller in compatible FPSs (Killzone 3, Resistance 3) once you get used to it. But that only came about as a direct answer to the Wiimote, even if it does work 1000X better.


signmeuptoo
Bless you Howie
Premium
join:2001-11-22
NanoParticle
kudos:5

I suppose these are gimmicks now, but are also innovations that will lead to real advances in the future. We all crawl before we walk, and I swear, the rest of the animal kingdom must find humans bizarre for walking on 2 legs...



Alpha Phoenix
Premium
join:2001-06-15
Brooklyn, NY
kudos:1
reply to Alpha Phoenix

Anybody feel that there are any "must have" launch titles?

I'm an Action/Adventure fan myself, and don't really see any games that I'm fiending to have.

Really waiting for Mario Kart Wii U to come out.
--
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo



Silvanos
It's a new Silvanos experience
Premium
join:2002-10-07
Tonawanda, NY
reply to Alpha Phoenix

I'm buying it for my kid but zombie U looks like a title I might try.
--
Any it new they in one. You here for mine you here.
-JV



Alpha Phoenix
Premium
join:2001-06-15
Brooklyn, NY
kudos:1
reply to Alpha Phoenix

Just 4 days left!!!



Alpha Phoenix
Premium
join:2001-06-15
Brooklyn, NY
kudos:1
reply to Alpha Phoenix

Just came across this interesting article: »www.engadget.com/2012/11/12/nint···control/
--
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo



MuDvAyNe
Premium
join:2002-03-02
Brooklyn, NY
Reviews:
·Optimum Online
·Verizon FiOS
reply to Alpha Phoenix

My biggest problem with the Wii U is the small hard drives they are putting in the systems. I read on IGN the other day that the 8GB is useless. Once the system boots it's at 7.2gb. The Wii U software takes up 4.2GB of space. Put in New Super Mario Bros U and that takes up 2GB. Guess what, your hard drive is almost full. I may just wait till they release a Wii U with a 100gb hard drive for $350.
--
Mets, Cowboys, Devils



Alpha Phoenix
Premium
join:2001-06-15
Brooklyn, NY
kudos:1

What are you talking about? Where are you getting your info from?

The Basic version has an 8GB HD, but there is an SD Card slot for expandable memory, as well as USB ports which allow you to connect an External HD, so you could really connect a 1TB drive if you wanted to, giving you 1.8TB if you really wanted to go all out.

The Deluxe version has a 32GB HD with SD Card slot for expandable memory, and USB port for External HD connection as well. No need to go over the above again, but with all that said, you could expand your memory for the Deluxe version to 1.32TB if you really wanted to go all out.

Source (Directly from the official Nintendo Wii U website): »www.nintendo.com/consumer/system···rage.jsp

1TB drives are fairly cheap now. I've seen some on sale for as low as $75.00.
--
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo