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Juggernaut
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reply to ctggzg

Re: Is turning off Javascript really necessary any more?

I would disagree, as will many others here.



ZZZZZZZ
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reply to ctggzg

quote:
They're wrong and misinformed. NoScript is also worthless snake oil for the paranoid.
lol............ya right buddy.
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Kearnstd
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reply to WalkGood

I only turn it off if a website uses it to disable a feature. Sometimes I am out surfing the net and see a picture that would make an awesome desktop... but the site has right click disable. turn off Javascript and problem solved. turn it back on and get back to surfing.
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OZO
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That's actually a good example, when turning off JavaScript could be useful. IMO, web sites should never block context menu in user browsers.

Just in case if you don't want to turn JavaScipt off in such case you may open site in IE and then copy image file from its cache. Remember, everything you see in your computer is already here, downloaded. Just take it and use as you need...
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therube

join:2004-11-11
Randallstown, MD
reply to ctggzg

said by "quatrix" :
They're wrong and misinformed. NoScript is also worthless snake oil for the paranoid.
OK.
(Enough said.)

EdmundGerber

join:2010-01-04
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reply to ctggzg

said by ctggzg:

said by WalkGood:

... but I know people who swear that they MUST turn off javascript or they will be hacked and/or they will get a virus.

They're wrong and misinformed. NoScript is also worthless snake oil for the paranoid.

Knowledge is also food for the ignorant, so judging from your statement - dig in!


therube

join:2004-11-11
Randallstown, MD

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reply to DigitalXeron

All code has vulnerabilities.

But that does not mean that a particular code is needed everywhere or all the time.

Since code can be exploited, anything you can do to limit code, will help to make you safer.

Flash is basically required these days.
It is not needed all the time nor is it needed everywhere.

So if you can block Flash, & only enable it when you actually need it, you are safer.

Java (for some, myself included), may not be needed at all. For others, they do require it.
Again it is not needed all the time nor is it needed everywhere.

So if you can block Java, & only enable it when you actually need it, you are safer. (Better yet, in my case, don't even install it.)

JavaScript is (basically) required these days.
Disable it entirely, & sooner rather then later, you're likely going to need to enable it.

But if you can limit its usage, you are better off. And when you have something that can provide more granular control then a simple on/off switch, you are both safer & able to control your browsing experience more effectively & efficiently. NoScript can do that. (Among many other things.)


Mele20
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said by therube:

But if you can limit its usage, you are better off. And when you have something that can provide more granular control then a simple on/off switch, you are both safer & able to control your browsing experience more effectively & efficiently. NoScript can do that. (Among many other things.)

So can the Proxomitron and with a heck of a lot less problems. As I have said many times, why anyone would claim NoScript is the answer when Proxo is available with the latest Sidki filters from December 2011, I can't understand. It sometimes will block something, and it is not perfect, but a lot easier to use than NoScript, plus, it works on all browsers...you are not limited to Fx or Opera with its builtin "noscript".
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therube

join:2004-11-11
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quote:
But if you can limit its usage, you are better off.
quote:
So can the Proxomitron
Whatever means works for you.
If NoScript isn't your cup of tea, & Proxomitron can do similar, then by all means.
And in IE (which I'm not familiar with) you can use that "trusted zone" (or something or the other), but I would think that to not really be feasible. But if you're glotten for punishment ...


ZZZZZZZ
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reply to Mele20

Proxomitron is what 10 yrs old and as the author has passed away,it doesn't look like they'll be any further developement.

All it does is the same thing a Hosts file does...........and or a *pac file.

Noscript blocks flash,java and any number of other options.

It's a shame you couldn't understand how to learn how to use it........it probably would only have taken 5 minutes.
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OZO
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said by ZZZZZZZ:

Proxomitron is what 10 yrs old
...
All it does is the same thing a Hosts file does...........

Really? The same thing as hosts file does?

You certainly have never used it and you don't know what are you talking about!
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Mele20
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reply to ZZZZZZZ

said by ZZZZZZZ:

Proxomitron is what 10 yrs old and as the author has passed away,it doesn't look like they'll be any further developement.

All it does is the same thing a Hosts file does...........and or a *pac file.

Noscript blocks flash,java and any number of other options.

It's a shame you couldn't understand how to learn how to use it........it probably would only have taken 5 minutes.

Oh dear. Talk about ignorance...geez. You opened your mouth and inserted not one but both feet.

I suggest you learn something about Proxomitron before making such comments as "it doesn't look like there will be further development". That comment indicates that you have little, if any, understanding of how Proxo works. Then your comment that Proxo works like a Hosts file? That indicates even more strongly that you have absolutely not a glimmer of how Proxo works

Proxo blocks Flash, java, stops malicious iframes, ....all sorts of things that you say it doesn't do...again, you have really put both feet all the way up to your ass in your mouth with your uninformed comments.

Scott Lemmon gave the internet community what is still the best gift that any developer could give users. He gave it away free and anyone willing to put in the time and effort can learn to write their own filters for it and KEEP THE FILTERS UPDATED....note I said FILTERS UPDATED ...not the Proxomitron which does not need updating. For those of us who don't have the time, the desire, whatever to learn to write our own filters we have volunteers who write filter sets for public usage and have been doing so for many years even when Scott was alive. When I joined this site and this forum there was a tremendous amount of discussion here about Proxomitron and many members here were writing filters for public use. This very forum, and its members, was how I found out about Proxo.

As for NoScript, I spent a lot more than 5 minutes using it. I am well aware that one needs to give any unfamiliar, "new" (to them) program a fair trial. It is far more difficult to use than Proxo with Sidki's latest filters and it only works on Fx. I use a bunch of browsers. Proxo works with all browsers.
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sivran
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reply to Kearnstd

said by Kearnstd:

I only turn it off if a website uses it to disable a feature. Sometimes I am out surfing the net and see a picture that would make an awesome desktop... but the site has right click disable. turn off Javascript and problem solved. turn it back on and get back to surfing.

Well maybe if you didn't use IE, websites couldn't do that to you.
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Cudni
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reply to WalkGood

There is no reason nor benefit to allow scripting just for any site. Scripting improves the web experience without a doubt but it is an equally powerful tool in the hands of malware writers. So, very simple, only allow scripting for the sites that deserve it and block it (thus limiting substantially exposure to malware infiltration) for all others.

Cudni
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Dude111
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reply to ZZZZZZZ

 

quote:
I've had javascript disabled for years on all my browsers and the only ''crippling'' it's done is block all the crap on the internet.
Yes the only thing scripts are good for is forcing crap in people's faces!!

Mele20
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reply to Cudni

Re: Is turning off Javascript really necessary any more?

Or use the Proxomitron...that is a better solution. I think it crazy to tell people to disable javascript except for pet sites. Better tell them how to use proper security instead and one thing is to use Proxo.
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Dude111
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Why MELE??

99% of all sites thankfully work perfectly w/o scripts.. Really there is NO NEED to have to have scripts that bog down the browser,etc....


Mele20
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Outlook Express won't work without javascript turned on. Even dslreports needs javascript.


EdmundGerber

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reply to Mele20

Re: Is turning off Javascript really necessary any more?

said by Mele20:

said by therube:

But if you can limit its usage, you are better off. And when you have something that can provide more granular control then a simple on/off switch, you are both safer & able to control your browsing experience more effectively & efficiently. NoScript can do that. (Among many other things.)

So can the Proxomitron and with a heck of a lot less problems. As I have said many times, why anyone would claim NoScript is the answer when Proxo is available with the latest Sidki filters from December 2011, I can't understand. It sometimes will block something, and it is not perfect, but a lot easier to use than NoScript, plus, it works on all browsers...you are not limited to Fx or Opera with its builtin "noscript".

Proxo last update June 2003. Noscript last update? A few minutes ago!

Easier than Noscript? No. Wrong again. What is easier than right clicking on an icon and choosing allow. Now the site is configured as I like it each time - no ads or trackers, just functionality.

But your advice to ignore Noscript just shows how far out of touch you're becoming there on your (now vulnerable) virtual machine.


Dude111
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reply to Mele20

 

I always have them disabled and the site works fine for me thankfully... (faster loading,etc) ....... What happens when you try to disable them?? (On this site)

As far as outlook express and other LOCAL APPS ON YOUR COMPUTER,your right they all need scripts i believe.... (I tried once to disable scripting in my "My computer" zone and i quickly re-enabled them!!!! (Wmp wouldnt work,etc))


RawHeadRex

join:2011-08-24
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reply to WalkGood

Re: Is turning off Javascript really necessary any more?

I use Firefox with NoScript, and I know of lately NoScript has become more intrusive. My math class uses MY Math Lab to study and take quizzes, also I have a economy class that uses the same method of study, and both sites are blocked by NoScript 'XSS' which causes the test or quiz to reset it self, and I have to get the instructor to reset the test. Sometimes I forget to disable 'XSS' while going to these sites, so I decided to rid myself of the problem by removing NoScript.



therube

join:2004-11-11
Randallstown, MD

Or you could have reported the problem, & he likely could have come up with an exception for your particular case, or even a general fix if that is what would have been necessary.



antdude
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reply to RawHeadRex

said by RawHeadRex:

I use Firefox with NoScript, and I know of lately NoScript has become more intrusive. My math class uses MY Math Lab to study and take quizzes, also I have a economy class that uses the same method of study, and both sites are blocked by NoScript 'XSS' which causes the test or quiz to reset it self, and I have to get the instructor to reset the test. Sometimes I forget to disable 'XSS' while going to these sites, so I decided to rid myself of the problem by removing NoScript.

Yeah, NoScript is too much for my taste. I do use hosts, AdBlock Plus with multiple filters (sometimes this is too much too!), FlashBlock extension, etc.
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OZO
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reply to EdmundGerber

said by EdmundGerber:

Proxo last update June 2003. Noscript last update? A few minutes ago!

Do you think what is updated the last is always better?
Think again...

They are completely different tools, with completely different implementations, having completely different requirements and completely different functions.
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AVD
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If you did it right the first time, you don't have to issue a revision.
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LeeBee
It's Dark Out There

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Swissieland

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reply to WalkGood

Drive-by infections are almost impossible with scripting turned off.

Downside is that turning off scripts and varying on when needed does not work for non-savvy users.

See the problem? Those that click on any link and say Yes to any prompt can't work with scripts turned off.....


EdmundGerber

join:2010-01-04
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reply to OZO

said by OZO:

said by EdmundGerber:

Proxo last update June 2003. Noscript last update? A few minutes ago!

Do you think what is updated the last is always better?
Think again...

Generally - yes. You say 'think again' like you have some deep inside knowledge that we don't. Some occasional updates can screw things up. Using software nearly 10 years out of date is almost ALWAYS a bad idea. Thing again? Good advice for you, too.

Most software updates are fine. No need to 'think again'...

OZO
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1. Your point was "Proxo last update June 2003. Noscript last update? A few minutes ago!" implying that the latter is better just because of its update time and now you switched to "Generaly"?

2. Read this again:

said by AVD:

If you did it right the first time, you don't have to issue a revision.

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Ian
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reply to LeeBee

said by LeeBee:

See the problem? Those that click on any link and say Yes to any prompt can't work with scripts turned off.....

This is bad? I do need to upgrade my graphics card to get more resolution, because I'm running out of browser space for some reason. But I see no reason not to run scripts.



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Dustyn
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said by Ian:

said by LeeBee:

See the problem? Those that click on any link and say Yes to any prompt can't work with scripts turned off.....

This is bad? I do need to upgrade my graphics card to get more resolution, because I'm running out of browser space for some reason. But I see no reason not to run scripts.

Takes me back to the late 90's.
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