| So when is ultra 300 making the drop? And I assume we will need new modems?
Obviously a gigabit router will be needed.. |
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| said by Metatron2008:And I assume we will need new modems?
Obviously a gigabit router will be needed..
few things first off it will likely be as slow a rollout as 60 meg was if not slower as i doubt many if any cmts are equipped for 8 downstream channels (as for type of modom some docsis 3 modoms can handle it today but i doubt non charter offers can it need to be 8 downstream channel bonding kind)
second if thats the case i dont expect it to hit outside of st luius till mid to late 2013 and late 2014 before its in most if not all of charters footprint |
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| said by zed260:said by Metatron2008:And I assume we will need new modems?
Obviously a gigabit router will be needed..
few things first off it will likely be as slow a rollout as 60 meg was if not slower as i doubt many if any cmts are equipped for 8 downstream channels (as for type of modom some docsis 3 modoms can handle it today but i doubt non charter offers can it need to be 8 downstream channel bonding kind) second if thats the case i dont expect it to hit outside of st luius till mid to late 2013 and late 2014 before its in most if not all of charters footprint the is no such thing as a "8 downstream channel bonding kind" of CMTS a DOCSIS 3.0 equipped Arris C4, Motorola BSR64000, or Cisco 10k can support 8 downstream bonding the only thing that needs to be changed are the linecards to the 72 downstream card for Cisco 10k's, 32CAM downstream card for the ARRIS C4.
My TWC area recently added a 5th and a 6th downstream on the ARRIS C4 and I think they removed the old 16CAM cards and put in 32CAM cards on the C4s and put in 72 Downstream cards in the Ciscos. |
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| And you need a docsis 3.1 modem for home.. |
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| said by Metatron2008:And you need a docsis 3.1 modem for home..
no!
Only a current 8x4 DOCSIS 3.0 modem.
DOCSIS 3.1 is imaginary right now does not exist as a matter of fact the is a chance that DOCSIS 3.0 is the final version of DOCSIS until they start doing RFoG (Radio Frequency over Glass) mainstream. |
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said by Metatron2008:And I assume we will need new modems?
Obviously a gigabit router will be needed..
I'd like to worry about getting at least 50mbps upload first.
Having 300mbps/5mbps would be just retarded. I'd be happy with 50mbps/50mbps.
If Charter would like to stand out I would go for being the first ISP to offer all symmetric plans for residential and not speeds no one needs because hardly any servers would actually support it.
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| Most servers wont let you upload at 50Mbps either. Backup places generally limit your upload to 5-10Mbps and after a while cap you at 1Mbps for longer uploads. Youtube i think is different however. Amazon S3 also might be able to handle that too.
If you are gonna say you can do multiple uploads to multiple servers at the sametime well that's how people use that fat 300Mbps pipe too, nobody expects to download at 300Mbps from CNN.com. |
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| said by SHoTTa35 :Most servers wont let you upload at 50Mbps either. Backup places generally limit your upload to 5-10Mbps and after a while cap you at 1Mbps for longer uploads. Youtube i think is different however. Amazon S3 also might be able to handle that too.
If you are gonna say you can do multiple uploads to multiple servers at the sametime well that's how people use that fat 300Mbps pipe too, nobody expects to download at 300Mbps from CNN.com.
unless you have proof of any of this throttling, its a fallacy. I can download from most sites easily saturating my current 100mbps download, and know that many sites used to throttle uploads, but since server hosting and hosting bandwidth has gotten so cheap(I rent a seedbox with a symmetrical 100mbps connection for $18 per month, with 3TB of data in and 3TB of data out), that it is now a fallacy that servers throttle you on the upload side. have you considered that maybe its your ISP doing that? I can upload to rapidshare at 5mbps all day long, as well as Amazon hosting, and even those "backup" places(why would they slow down their services, that just sounds dumb). Do look around before you spout things that are not true. |
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| reply to Metatron2008
It would not matter if you need a new modem anyways. Charter would provide you with one because its a upgrade so no loss to you. |
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| reply to Chubbysumo
said by Chubbysumo:said by SHoTTa35 :Most servers wont let you upload at 50Mbps either. Backup places generally limit your upload to 5-10Mbps and after a while cap you at 1Mbps for longer uploads. Youtube i think is different however. Amazon S3 also might be able to handle that too.
If you are gonna say you can do multiple uploads to multiple servers at the sametime well that's how people use that fat 300Mbps pipe too, nobody expects to download at 300Mbps from CNN.com.
unless you have proof of any of this throttling, its a fallacy. I can download from most sites easily saturating my current 100mbps download, and know that many sites used to throttle uploads, but since server hosting and hosting bandwidth has gotten so cheap(I rent a seedbox with a symmetrical 100mbps connection for $18 per month, with 3TB of data in and 3TB of data out), that it is now a fallacy that servers throttle you on the upload side. have you considered that maybe its your ISP doing that? I can upload to rapidshare at 5mbps all day long, as well as Amazon hosting, and even those "backup" places(why would they slow down their services, that just sounds dumb). Do look around before you spout things that are not true. He is talking in general. A large part of the internet you won't notice a difference because servers simply don't give you the bandwidth just because you can have it. They also pay for bandwidth. They give you want you need, nothing else.
Of course exceptions to this, newsgroups comes to mind, but in general lots of places won't care if you have 5meg or 500meg HSI. |
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said by Metatron2008:And you need a docsis 3.1 modem for home..
As was mentioned, this isn't the case.
My modem, a 5341J top speed is 343 Mbps downstream and 143 Mbps upstream.
Though, I still think it makes little sense for charter to offer 300Mbps for the (very) few that will actually get it, and not have something under 30Mbps to compete with AT&T's DSL, which lots of people would get if given the option. |
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well....I believe the UBR72xx chassis with the MC88V card only has 4 downstream channels, so those markets would not be able to get it, but for the most part you are correct. Most any modular full size CMTS should support 8x4 modems. |
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| reply to Metatron2008
The biggest hurdle will be actually getting 300Mb on a 300Mb package with 8DS channels. A DOCSIS 256QAM 6MHz primary channel (downstream) yields approximately 37.5mbps of available throughput. Multiply that by 8 and you get.....300Mbps.
That means the only way you'll actually get 300Mbps is if there is absolutely nobody else using those 8 channels but you.
I feel that Comcast is being disingenuous by offering a 300Mb package on an 8 channel modem.
Charter should be honest about what they can really offer. 250Mb? Sure, sign me up! |
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said by markopoleo 
He is talking in general. A large part of the internet you won't notice a difference because servers simply don't give you the bandwidth just because you can have it. They also pay for bandwidth. They give you want you need, nothing else.
Of course exceptions to this, newsgroups comes to mind, but in general lots of places won't care if you have 5meg or 500meg HSI.
No, just no. A large part of the Internet will (depending on what kind of connection they have) give you files as fast as it can dish it out. However, those sites that see a lot of traffic will look at throttling so they aren't denying their customers the ability to access or download something. Another thing to consider is how many connections to the source are you making to download the file? If we're talking http or ftp - you're generally only making one connection and, because of that you're limiting yourself to only what that one connection can handle.
It's just like a few years ago when web browser programmers figured out that they could start using multiple connections to a web server to speed up your browser. It's the reason NNTP downloads are faster, the clients can handle multiple connections. |
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| You plan on being the first to require a 300meg connection to view a website you make? Don't think so. |
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said by cablegeek01:I feel that Comcast is being disingenuous by offering a 300Mb package on an 8 channel modem.
Comcast wont be doing 305 on a 8 channel, i think it was a 24 channel Netgear modem when i last checked. That's why they said it would require a new modem and such and has 802.11AC WIFI built in as well. |
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said by TheTechGuru:said by Metatron2008:And I assume we will need new modems?
Obviously a gigabit router will be needed..
I'd like to worry about getting at least 50mbps upload first. Having 300mbps/5mbps would be just retarded. I'd be happy with 50mbps/50mbps. If Charter would like to stand out I would go for being the first ISP to offer all symmetric plans for residential and not speeds no one needs because hardly any servers would actually support it. Wow! How have I missed replying to this topic?
Couldn't agree with you any more than I am, Guru 
Screw the download, give me upload!! Heck, I'd be happy with 15/15
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| said by cork1958:Screw the download, give me upload!! Heck, I'd be happy with 15/15
I'd even be happy with 10/10 if the price is fair.
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| reply to cablegeek01
said by cablegeek01:The biggest hurdle will be actually getting 300Mb on a 300Mb package with 8DS channels. A DOCSIS 256QAM 6MHz primary channel (downstream) yields approximately 37.5mbps of available throughput. Multiply that by 8 and you get.....300Mbps.
That means the only way you'll actually get 300Mbps is if there is absolutely nobody else using those 8 channels but you.
I feel that Comcast is being disingenuous by offering a 300Mb package on an 8 channel modem.
Charter should be honest about what they can really offer. 250Mb? Sure, sign me up!
actually the throughput is 38.8Mbps per DOCSIS channel but the raw data rate is 42Mbps per downstream Channel at QAM256. |
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