Topic 'Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater' in forum 'Home Improvement' - dslreports.com

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Mon, 27 Aug 2012 17:25:11 EDT

jester121 posted :

said by iknow:

what? you would get in a car with a driver that is drunk? or eat a sandwich that fell in the toilet?

Depends on the sandwich, and the condition of the toilet.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Mon, 27 Aug 2012 12:50:42 EDT

marigolds posted :

said by neonturbo:

said by Jack_in_VA:

How about our young, elderly and disabled? Why heat the water to 140 degrees when it's not needed and costs fortune to do? I do just fine at 120 degrees.

I have seen the "costs a fortune" argument a couple times. My summer bill averages $20, but the cost of the gas averages only $10. (the difference is the tax, and the charge for the meter that will be there regardless of how much gas I use) I keep my water heater at 140-145 degrees, and I just cant see that I will save "a fortune" by turning the heater down a dozen degrees.

I have a 40 gallon natural gas heater, and we are not shy about showers, dish washer use, and laundry. There are two adults and two large doggies so we do plenty of laundry.

I like hot showers, I like to be able to get the dishes clean in the dishwasher, and I like to get my dirty work clothes clean, so I am not turning down my water temperature any time soon.

The difference with a tankless is not the difference in temperatures, even though there is a difference in temperature. It is the difference in standby loss and a host of other factors.
Turning a tank heater down 20 degrees is not going to change standby loss that much. Having no standby loss at all will (but only to an extent, since you are not spending that much on heating water in the first place). I still think the biggest advantage is that a tankless heater has a 20+ year life. 2 tanks are still cheaper than 1 tankless, but the gap in cost is small enough that the tankless probably saves you money and has a lot better performance. Sometimes the extra space if very valuable or the extra leak risk from a tank comes back to bite you too.
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Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:13:51 EDT

cowboyro posted :

said by Jack_in_VA:

How about our young, elderly and disabled? Why heat the water to 140 degrees when it's not needed and costs fortune to do? I do just fine at 120 degrees.

It doesn't cost more to keep at 140 than at 120 (not any amount that really matters anyway). The difference in standby losses is negligible compared to the amount of heat effectively used. You heat the water more, but you use a less of the hot water and more cold water.
Also 140F isn't that hot. And a mixing valve is a whole $35 and it shouldn't take a plumber more than 30min to install.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:03:11 EDT

neonturbo posted :

said by Jack_in_VA:

How about our young, elderly and disabled? Why heat the water to 140 degrees when it's not needed and costs fortune to do? I do just fine at 120 degrees.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:57:43 EDT

SparkChaser posted : Where was this? Most of my experience in Europe has been almost daily shopping.

Anyway......

Was it this

In the ultra-pasteurization process, milk or cream is sent through pipes where it's heated almost instantaneously to around 280� and then cooled again almost as quickly. This is as compared to the regular pasteurization process which heats milk to a minimum of 162� for fifteen seconds.

On the one hand, ultra-pasteurization means that enormous quantities of milk can be processed much more quickly than any other pasteurization (or safety regulation) process. The milk is also shelf-stable for several months.
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Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:52:13 EDT

Bob posted :

said by AVonGauss:

If this process killed all organic life in the product, theoretically, an airtight container of milk would last forever even at room temperature - which we all know, it doesn't.

In France, people buy milk which is stored at room temperature for months. It's pasteurized in a hermetically-sealed package. They only refrigerate it after they open it. What annoyed me was running out of cold milk and opening a new, room-temperature container. Our hosts didn't plan ahead and keep an extra container in the refrigerator ready for drinking.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:49:32 EDT

SparkChaser posted :

said by AVonGauss:

Circling back to the actual problem and original post, its the combination of the bacteria being present (which it almost always is) and using that water in a Neti pot. It doesn't matter if your water tank is set to 160 or 120, when you take that water and expose it to the thin membranes of your sinuses there is mounting evidence that you expose yourself (unnecessarily) to a greater risk of infection. What's not known is how many times someone has used a Neti pot, got infected and not had a severe enough reaction to have the incident reported - or for that matter, how many times a Neti pot is used and no infection occurs.

Yes, as I pointed out early in the thread, Boil the water
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Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:42:11 EDT

AVonGauss posted :

said by Mr Matt:

The magic number for pasteurization is 144 degrees Fahrenheit. That is the temperature that commercial pasteurizers are set to.

Pasteurization requires a certain amount of heat, for a minimum duration and there is no particular "standard" - it depends on the product and intended use, storage. Even then, bacteria or other "contamination" will still be present, just at acceptably lower concentrations. If this process killed all organic life in the product, theoretically, an airtight container of milk would last forever even at room temperature - which we all know, it doesn't.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:35:18 EDT

AVonGauss posted :

said by iknow:

no, the amount of harmful bacteria etc. is much lower in cold water, so much lower that the governing body of the water agency you get the water from deems it safe to use!. it's the vastly increased amounts of bacteria etc. in WARM water that makes it unsafe, they grow to dangerous levels in WARM water!!. have the condensate from your A.C. tested sometime!!.

Its not that there is "more" contamination in warmer water, it is the combination of the water being stagnant (i.e. hot water tank) and being in a warm environment that promotes the growth. If you take water from the same source and put it in two sealed containers, one room temperature and one warm, the warmer will grow faster but the room temperature will also grow, albeit slower.

Conversely, if you take room temperature water and warm water (120 F) and circulate both in individual closed loop environments you'll probably see negligent additional growth in the warm water loop vs the room temperature loop - the water is not stagnant, you've broken the cycle (think breaking fire triangle).

Circling back to the actual problem and original post, its the combination of the bacteria being present (which it almost always is) and using that water in a Neti pot. It doesn't matter if your water tank is set to 160 or 120, when you take that water and expose it to the thin membranes of your sinuses there is mounting evidence that you expose yourself (unnecessarily) to a greater risk of infection. What's not known is how many times someone has used a Neti pot, got infected and not had a severe enough reaction to have the incident reported - or for that matter, how many times a Neti pot is used and no infection occurs.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sun, 26 Aug 2012 12:01:57 EDT

marigolds posted :

said by iknow:

said by Jack_in_VA:

said by patcat88:

If you use a tempering valve, you contaminated your hot water with healthy amoeba from cold water.

I think that little "Inconvenient Fact" negates most of the arguments for having the temperature so high on the water heater.

You don't even need a tempering valve for this to happen. Just adding cold water to temper the temperature low enough to keep the water from scalding will contaminate the 140 degree water.

So, that's why you should use a tankless then? Since the water is warmed for only a few seconds as compared to minutes to hours in a tank heater?

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Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sun, 26 Aug 2012 12:01:02 EDT

marigolds posted :

said by Bob:

said by Jack_in_VA:

There is no rational reason to exceed the CDC recommendation of 120 degrees for the the setting.

Or maybe there is:

said by CDC :
Households with water heater temperatures <=125°F were significantly more likely to harbor nontuberculous mycobacteria (NTM) compared with households with hot water temperatures >=130°F...

NTM disease cases number less than 4,000 per year, and the -vast- majority of those cases are from environmental airborne exposure.
Since, you know, you have to inhale them to contact disease from them. A hotter shower is actually much more dangerous of a risk exposure because of that.
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Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:27:38 EDT

Lurch77 posted :

said by iknow:

They were found in the faucets of one of the dead victims, with no mention of a water heater in that case. Seems "WARM water" is not the only place they live and thrive.

Telling someone to test the AC condensate is stupid and has no comparison to the potable water sources we are discussing here. AC systems are full of bacteria and other contaminants due to the environment it is in. Just like we would not compare our drinking water to swamp water.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sun, 26 Aug 2012 10:50:32 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted :

said by iknow:

said by Jack_in_VA:

said by patcat88:

If you use a tempering valve, you contaminated your hot water with healthy amoeba from cold water.

iknow again you do realize you can and are entirely free to set your temperature to any value you want and are comfortable with. Nobody here I don't think will try to force you to do differently. I'm entirely satisfied with the 120 mine is set for and I'm still alive.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sun, 26 Aug 2012 10:37:34 EDT

iknow posted :

said by Jack_in_VA:

said by patcat88:

If you use a tempering valve, you contaminated your hot water with healthy amoeba from cold water.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sun, 26 Aug 2012 10:27:17 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted :

said by patcat88:

If you use a tempering valve, you contaminated your hot water with healthy amoeba from cold water.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sun, 26 Aug 2012 09:22:31 EDT

patcat88 posted : If you use a tempering valve, you contaminated your hot water with healthy amoeba from cold water.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sun, 26 Aug 2012 09:21:32 EDT

Bob posted :

said by Jack_in_VA:

There is no rational reason to exceed the CDC recommendation of 120 degrees for the the setting.

Or maybe there is:

said by CDC :
Households with water heater temperatures <=125°F were significantly more likely to harbor nontuberculous mycobacteria (NTM) compared with households with hot water temperatures >=130°F...

Nontuberculous mycobacteria (NTM) are opportunistic pathogens found in the environment (e.g., water and soil) and cause life-threatening infections in humans, other mammals, and birds. The incidence of NTM disease in Canada and the United States seems to be increasing... NTM are not transient contaminants of drinking water distribution systems; rather, the NTM grow and persist in plumbing.

»wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/17/3/p···1510.pdf

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sun, 26 Aug 2012 09:13:14 EDT

Mr Matt posted : The magic number for pasteurization is 144 degrees Fahrenheit. That is the temperature that commercial pasteurizers are set to.

My sister in law insisted on setting the hot water temperature at 150 degrees. First of all it was scalding hot and it made taking a shower a high risk situation. Whenever someone turned on a cold water faucet or flushed a toilet the water became scalding hot.

I understand she finally reduced the temperature when one of her guests got scalded by one of those shower valves that rotate from cold to hot. The guest got mixed up and turned the valve the wrong way toward hot rather then off. When I visited them I got out of the shower first and then turned the water off.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sun, 26 Aug 2012 08:34:32 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted :

said by scooper:

40 gallon electric tank is set to 125, 1 Gallon per minute tankless in kitchen (for sink / dishwasher) is set to at least 135, maybe 140. Just two middle aged, nondisabled adults in our house.

I have mine set at 120 degrees. NO tankless for kitchen. I just run the dishwasher on Sanitize and that takes care of the potential dish problem.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sun, 26 Aug 2012 08:31:56 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted :

said by Bob:

I think avoiding exposure to things like Legionnaire's Disease by setting the water heater to 135 F is a valid trade off to the slight risk of being scalded. The single-handle, pressure balanced faucets makes that very unlikely.

No I think you have it backwards. The slight risk of contracting Legionnaires Disease is very slight. The chance of getting scalded is very high.

There is no rational reason to exceed the CDC recommendation of 120 degrees for the the setting.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sun, 26 Aug 2012 01:14:33 EDT

AVonGauss posted : Some organisms can stand extreme conditions, such as heat - in more dramatic circumstances and environments, we call them extremophiles. Its really all about the concentration of any one given organism per volume and our susceptibility to that organism. Even if the water coming out your faucet were truly pure, it would become "contaminated" in milliseconds before getting to your mouth - however, not in any concentration that matters.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 23:25:49 EDT

Lurch77 posted : I don't know how we've all managed to live as long as we have.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 23:25:27 EDT

Raphion posted : How could 220 not kill everything? I thought protein denatured at around 160

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:41:20 EDT

GadgetsRme posted :

said by cdru:

said by GadgetsRme:

Ya' know we really should just ban life, because it does end in death. :uhh:

Speak for yourself. I'm living forever.

Only if forever comes soon. ;)
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Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:35:32 EDT

AVonGauss posted : I love how this thread has gone in all different directions. A couple of points though...

1) It doesn't matter what your hot water tank is set to if the contamination is present in the water supply. Yes, it won't last as long as it will in a nice hot water tank but how do you think the contamination gets to the hot water tank in the first place?

2) Even setting a hot water tank to 220 is not going to kill all microbes. You would have to boil the water for sufficient duration and then deliver the water via a sterile method - your hot water pipes don't qualify. Even at 220, you probably would still have the occasional living contamination.

3) Setting the tank water heater to a high temperature only deters growth in the tank, if you later "cut it" with cold water from the tap you'll still get the exposure.

4) The case of Neti pot deaths is probably more related to the more direct exposure to the organism via the thin membranes of the sinus, rather than the actual organism being present.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:32:30 EDT

cdru posted :

said by GadgetsRme:

Ya' know we really should just ban life, because it does end in death. :uhh:

Speak for yourself. I'm living forever.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:21:50 EDT

scooper posted : 40 gallon electric tank is set to 125, 1 Gallon per minute tankless in kitchen (for sink / dishwasher) is set to at least 135, maybe 140. Just two middle aged, nondisabled adults in our house.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:21:03 EDT

Bob posted : Our school has had to decontaminate their plumbing because they set the hot water to the ideal temperature for growing nasty bacteria.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:19:03 EDT

Bob posted : I think avoiding exposure to things like Legionnaire's Disease by setting the water heater to 135 F is a valid trade off to the slight risk of being scalded. The single-handle, pressure balanced faucets makes that very unlikely.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:14:44 EDT

Lurch77 posted : That's going off on another subject. I agree with you in that our kids are getting wimpy. But I don't think avoiding scalding a toddler makes them wimpy. I have an exceptional case, but check my google search link to see it happens all the time to kids all over the place. Get scalded in the bath your irresponsible parent ran, you learn to not take baths?

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:09:05 EDT

Bob posted : You obvious have a special case. But in general, parents are raising a nation of wimps.
See - »www.amazon.com/Nation-Wimps-High···67924037

For example, when I grew up, we didn't have electrical outlet covers. You were told not to stick anything in there, and if you did, you found out why and would never do it again! Get burned? You learned!

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:59:22 EDT

Lurch77 posted : Seems to me scalding hurts or kills more people than man eating microscopic creatures in the water. »www.google.com/search?q=toddler+···ie=UTF-8
If you live on your own, or have non-child people only in the household, it is fine. Be sure to warn any guests though. For me it is the other way around. In my house, I have a paraplegic child. He also cannot talk. He cannot tell us when something is hurting or not right. Water cannot get hotter than 120. I never have to worry about his nurse or anyone else accidentally scalding him.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:52:38 EDT

Raphion posted : To each his own ofc. I like hot water for cleaning/laundry, and it goes much farther for showers/baths. I'm not young (anymore), though it didn't hurt me when I was, not eldery quite yet, and not disabled though.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:50:37 EDT

Bob posted : My daughter is smart enough not to hold her hands under excessively hot water. :uhh:

I set my water heater to provide 125 F at the kitchen tap.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:28:38 EDT

GadgetsRme posted :

said by Jack_in_VA:

How about our young, elderly and disabled? Why heat the water to 140 degrees when it's not needed and costs fortune to do? I do just fine at 120 degrees.

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Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:25:15 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted : How about our young, elderly and disabled? Why heat the water to 140 degrees when it's not needed and costs fortune to do? I do just fine at 120 degrees.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:12:26 EDT

Raphion posted : This is always such a hot topic, har har.

FWIW, I feel like the danger of hot water that's actually hot being super dangerous is a bit overblown. I've had 140+ degree hot water since I was a toddler, and never got burned. I'm not even sure how you would get burned, you'd have to do something really dumb, like standing in the water stream in such a way that you couldn't move out of it, and turn the mix to 100% hot.

140 degree water takes several seconds to produce a 1st degree burn, so you'd have to have to be really sedated/passed out not to react and get out of contact with it before you got a sunburn class "scald".

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:20:16 EDT

iknow posted :

said by Lurch77:

You won't answer this one either, but what is a sufficient quantity to kill a person? Does it take more than one?

this should answer that, "We don't know that there's a big risk from this — most cases occur from swimming in warm, fresh water," Yoder said. In fact, of the 32 N. fowleri cases reported in the U.S. between 2002 and 2011, 28 people were infected by contaminated recreational water activities, such as swimming in lakes or rivers, and two were infected by water from a contaminated geothermal source." this goes for legionnaires disease too, warm water breeds dangerous levels, so yes, it does appear to take more than one.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:13:45 EDT

Lurch77 posted : You won't answer this one either, but what is a sufficient quantity to kill a person? Does it take more than one?

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:01:45 EDT

iknow posted :

said by DataDoc:

All of you arguing about water temp are forgetting that the victims used a neti pot filled with tap water.
As was said by CDC, "People who use neti pots to irrigate their nasal passages and sinuses should use only water that has been boiled, filtered or distilled."
They mean everyone no matter what temp your hot water heater is set because the amoeba can live at the faucets, far from the heat source.

if they are killed in the water heater they won't be living at the faucets in sufficient quantities. organisms thrive in warm water, and grow to dangerous amounts.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:57:08 EDT

DataDoc posted : All of you arguing about water temp are forgetting that the victims used a neti pot filled with tap water.
As was said by CDC, "People who use neti pots to irrigate their nasal passages and sinuses should use only water that has been boiled, filtered or distilled."
They mean everyone no matter what temp your hot water heater is set because the amoeba can live at the faucets, far from the heat source.
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Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 03:52:09 EDT

Beezel posted : This is only 2 people out of how many living in the US? That makes up what percentage?

True someone has to make those statistics, but I'll give into the odds of it not happening to me. I have a better chance of hitting the lottery or being stuck by lightning. So I can sleep comfy at night knowing the odds are in my favor of not getting amoebas in my water. ;)

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:30:04 EDT

iknow posted :

said by ropeguru:

said by iknow:

what? you would get in a car with a driver that is drunk? or eat a sandwich that fell in the toilet? common sense can prevent many disasters. maybe you can't believe the news about "brain-eating amoeba"??. it never happened?. maybe there is something special about you or your water supply that prevents dangerous organisms from affecting you, is so, there are many people just dying to know what it is, so lives can be saved!!.

His point is that if you go out to eat, how can you ABSOLUTELY be sure there are no contaminants in the food. When you walk outside, how can you be ABSOLUTELY sure that maybe something hasn't happened close by that could have contaminated the air you are breathing. You cannot for any of these.

You sir live with a totally unrealistic idea about the world and what is around you.

and i understand his point. but knowing an easy solution to a dangerous problem, and just ignoring it because they got away with it without any problems so far, is just rolling the dice, i'm sure the people that died in Louisiana didn't think about this either, but it happened to them. and of course, there's legionnaires disease, which is also fatal, with no cure. I believe in changing the things you CAN change, so, my view is not unrealistic, just common sense. letting things happen just because they CAN, or MAY not happen to you is unrealistic. proactive defense is the way to go.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:53:41 EDT

GadgetsRme posted : Ya' know we really should just ban life, because it does end in death. :uhh:
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Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:38:43 EDT

Stumbles posted : Everyone is missing the real culprit here; that dihyrdogen monoxide is being used as a transport medium for an infectious animal.

As such the people involved with the installation of water heaters, its plumbing, government water treatment facilities, residential water well drillers should all be charged with terrorist activities.

Additionally the transport medium, dihydrogen monoxide should be permanently banned and replaced with ethyl alcohol.

Most of you here are wrapped way to tightly around the axle about this to think you should worry about it.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:13:06 EDT

ropeguru posted :

said by iknow:

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:38:42 EDT

KrK posted : Nobody knows, but it's infinitesimal. Or the fear mongers would have already told us all about it.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:21:08 EDT

iknow posted :

said by Mr Matt:

Before we moved into this house the hot water heater was shut off for several months. The hot water developed a hydrogen sulfide smell. I was going to be away for the weekend before we moved in, so I set the thermostats to 160 degrees measured with a candy thermometer at the faucet. I set the temperature back to 125 degrees after I returned. No more smell.

here's the cause of that. »ohioline.osu.edu/aex-fact/0319.html

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:02:14 EDT

iknow posted :

said by Jack_in_VA:

said by iknow:

said by ropeguru:

Then you should stop eating, drinking, and breathing because there might be something in the food, liquid, or air that COULD cause death.

heck no, i'll not drink contaminated water, eat bad food, and breath in dangerous air, i'll not be a passenger in a car with a drunk driver either!. i'll do anything that is common sense to do, and can be done. this is something that can be easily avoided. everyone dies of something, but people don't have to die from water!.

Is this the Howard Hughes syndrome? You don't know if the water is contaminated or the food is bad unless you have it tested. You don't know if the air contains harmful particles or the air bags in the vehicle you are in are operable. In short you can't possibly know about things that are potentially harmful or not.

Re: Deadly Amoebas Found in Tankless Water Heater

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:50:36 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted :

said by iknow:

said by ropeguru:

Then you should stop eating, drinking, and breathing because there might be something in the food, liquid, or air that COULD cause death.