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DarkLogix
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Re: Electrical issue question

I'd rather he just say sorry full.

or it'll be a month before I can fit you in.

but instead he showed up at 10:30pm when he was to be there from 5-8pm. He took a week to get a quote. he didn't really look at it to find the issue, just assumed the panel was the cause.



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Why bother showing up for a bid if you are overbooked? I guess he had some extra fuel he needed to burn. I just tell people that I'm too booked up to give them the "attention they deserve".

One thing is true: If I get out to a job and the customer is an ass hat, I'll bid it super high. Rarely will I not bid it at all. I did have a bid a few months ago where the guy was such a dick that I told him I wasn't interested in the job.

Judging from what I know of you from this forum, I don't think that would be the case for you.
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for $5K it would be worth it.



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said by nunya:

One thing is true: If I get out to a job and the customer is an ass hat, I'll bid it super high.

In the future do yourself a favor, get your hands on the business cards of an ass-hat contractor (they are everywhere) and politely tell the prospect your business is primarily commercial or if the prospect is commercial flip it the other way and then politely advise the prospect while handing out the other contractors business card “they are your best choice for what you want.”

You do three good things at this point, the prospect walks away remembering you in a positive manner and after the divorce might call you back (tail between the legs) wondering if you can make the other contractor mess meet code and you throw the other guy under the contracting and collecting bus.

Been there and done that…

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BTW Nunya as to your mention about not getting AL referrals how do you know when someone is referred by AL?

Because when I contacted the one from AL I didn't mention where I had heard of him from.



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3 ways.
1) Most people just say it.
2) Conversion tracking.
3) My wife always asks people where they found us.

I need to make sure my advertising money is doing it's job.
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DarkLogix
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If someone asks me I just say the internet.



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My wife is a very social person. She's a schmoozer and BS'er. She can call you a jackass 10 different ways and make you feel good about it. She's real good at pulling information out of people.
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said by nunya:

My wife is a very social person. She's a schmoozer and BS'er. She can call you a jackass 10 different ways and make you feel good about it. She's real good at pulling information out of people.

If you're telling us she actually talks to every single one of your customers, I can certainly imagine she is like that.

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said by nunya:

She can call you a jackass 10 different ways and make you feel good about it.

I guess you know from experience?


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She talks to every one, except the ones I have to babysit (some like to call me directly on my cell). She does an awesome job with CS. People love her. On many occasions, I've had people who have never met her in in person tell me they feel like "old friends" when they call.
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said by nunya:

My wife is a very social person. She's a schmoozer and BS'er. She can call you a jackass 10 different ways and make you feel good about it. She's real good at pulling information out of people.

Ah she's a social engineer.

well I'm a tough nut to crack, more so when I have someone else do the calling for me and they don't know where I got the info.

I'm not very social, so I prefer not to call people that I haven't met in person first or conversed via e-mail with (I prefer e-mail.) So I try to get other people to do the calling for me if I can't use e-mail to get a hold of them.


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BTW any guess as to how long it'll take?

Just wondering about how much down time I'll have (ie time with no AC, no internet, and with the server off)

the meter will have to be moved about 6in as more modern panels are wider than that FPE one
we're sticking with 125a

So Panel and meter replace and move meter over a little.

and of course when we call center point I'll try to make sure they bring a brand of meter (any recommendations or warnings to look for on that (ie smart meter brands to watch out for or hope for?)



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It almost always takes all day. The work doesn't necessarily take all day, but waiting on the POCO and the inspector usually eats a couple of hours. It's like herding cats.

Getting them to bring a different meter will be a difficult task. You really can't "make" them. You have to request it ahead of time. The troublemen often do not even carry meters on their truck. If they come across a bad or broken meter, they usually just slug it and put in a ticket for the meter shop to replace it.
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k, well they were fast with sending someone out to unlock the meter.

Will we be waiting on the inspector before they can put a meter in?
Ya I figure it'll be an all day type thing just hoping that I won't be roasting for to long.

Likely crank the ac way down the night before so as to delay the heat.

I assume based on what you've said that we'll be waiting on the inspector before we can get power back, and hoping the power co is as fast as they were about unlocking it.



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Weell the work on the panel/meter can is done.

I've very happy with the price we paid, they were early, and got it all done is 4hours.

Also when he looked at the lines it seems we have #2 al wire coming from the pole, so he installed a 100a main and verified that it would be enough by having us turn everything on and then checking the load on each leg.

then he moved a few breakers around to better balance the legs.

we're at about 60a with almost everything on (short of a few lights).


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said by nunya:

3 ways.
1) Most people just say it.
2) Conversion tracking.
3) My wife always asks people where they found us.

I need to make sure my advertising money is doing it's job.

For # 3: Your husband left a business card during lunch at the strip club. Will that work?


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Here's a question as to the possible impact the issue might have had.

Ok so the issue was an intermittent open HOT (ie one leg dropping out)

the issue is fixed now but could this have damaged the AC units?

now I might be wrong but it sounds to me that the main AC unit is louder than it used to be (Though I hadn't stood out there and listened to it and you still can't hear it from inside.)

So could this leg dropping out have damaged it? and if so would a slightly louder motor sound be a possible effect?



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open hot? no



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said by AVD:

open hot? no

That what it was, the meter was losing contact with 1 of 4 jaws thus one leg was dropping out for the whole house.

the problem is now fixed, though centerpoint is annoying me lately, Monday they finally came and locked the meter (when we weren't there ) and in doing so they first pulled the meter and ran "tests". then Tuesday they came back claiming they detected someone had messes with the meter, and again pulled it to inspect.

Are you saying an open Hot would not risk any damage to the device?

of course it did have a risk from arcing that it could have started a fire.


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said by DarkLogix:

Are you saying an open Hot would not risk any damage to the device?

Not much greater risk then rapidly turning it on and off at the disconnect switch or the thermostat.

How vulnerable your AC to such behavior is depends on whether or not it has any protection against it (restart delay timer).
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said by DarkLogix:

now I might be wrong but it sounds to me that the main AC unit is louder than it used to be (Though I hadn't stood out there and listened to it and you still can't hear it from inside.)

Maybe someone bumped into it while working on your electrical issue and loosened a panel. Those things can make quite a whiiiring noise from the vibration. I have a bunjee cord wrapped around my AC until I get around to re-seating the panels because otherwise it would be EXTREMELY loud.


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Well its still quiet enough that it can't be heard from inside so it is possible that its all in my mind.

Just checking if the intermittant hot issue could have caused any damage.

its covered under the 10year manufacturer warrenty so if needed I'll call an AC tech to look over it, but I don't want to have him come out and say its fine if I call him out.



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said by DarkLogix:

Well its still quiet enough that it can't be heard from inside so it is possible that its all in my mind.

When it's running, go put pressure with your hand on different panels, and even the exhaust grille. If noise is caused by any of those vibrating, you'll instantly notice the difference.

It can also be in your mind
But my AC isn't noisy when I'm outside. I can hear it, yes, but nothing "loud", even when next to it.


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If I put my hand on the top right and press down it gets quieter.
could being slightly off level cause this?

its on a cement slab that's on a bit of remaining wooden deck and I think part of the deck is flexing.

I'll see if I can put something under that part of deck to better support it.



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said by DarkLogix:

said by AVD:

open hot? no

That what it was, the meter was losing contact with 1 of 4 jaws thus one leg was dropping out for the whole house.

the problem is now fixed, though centerpoint is annoying me lately, Monday they finally came and locked the meter (when we weren't there ) and in doing so they first pulled the meter and ran "tests". then Tuesday they came back claiming they detected someone had messes with the meter, and again pulled it to inspect.

Are you saying an open Hot would not risk any damage to the device?

of course it did have a risk from arcing that it could have started a fire.

my bad, an open hot would pull power through your 220 devices to power anything on the other leg. A/C unit could definitely be at risk of damage.
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Basically all the 240v devices would have one leg hot and the other not.

The neutral was fine (to the people that thought it was an open neutral)

then I guess it'd provide some link to a hot for the down leg (though the wrong leg) and then through the 120v devices a link to neutral.

But the 240v devices couldn't operate during the time the leg was open.

Also the amount that got into the down leg when it was down wasn't enough to light anything other than a 1w night light in one of the bathrooms)



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said by DarkLogix:

But the 240v devices couldn't operate during the time the leg was open.

do, but if they were on, electricity could flow from the good leg through the appliance to equipment on the down leg to neutral. This current could be detrimental to the device.

I had a similar problem in my co-op where the system had two independent breakers for the main. I mentioned to an EE in my office that my apartment had funny things going on, and he advised me to insist that a mechanical connection be provided between the breakers to protect my 220 appliances.
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So now that the issue is resolved should I get an AC tech to look at the AC unit?

I'm not worried about the dryer.