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Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Sun, 02 Sep 2012 17:58:14 EDT

Josof posted :

What is the item system like? Is there any sense of uniqueness/rareness of items? Do you get loot on every mob kill?

Is the entire world instanced like in GW1? As in, only the major cities are meeting points for people?

-Itemization kind of takes a backseat to skills(abilities)that you "equip"
you get skills dependent upon the weapon you're using/a healing skill/3 utility skills/ and an elite skill

you also get traits(talents) which further enhance these skills
bottom line-you concentrate more on different "builds" for what you want to focus on...gear is just for looks mostly

-theres is instancing between zones but similar from traveling to kalimdor to the eastern kingdoms but the majority is open world and you can port to different parts of zone using waypoints which have a loading screen
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Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Sun, 02 Sep 2012 17:08:45 EDT

Lagz posted :

said by knowble:

Teleporting from zone to zone is better than flight paths, but being able to fly around the entire world at (possibly) 310% normal speed MORE than makes up for it.

WoW absolutely has travel issues. Why Fly when you can port instantly any where in the world. Not just zone to zone, but even within zones themselves. Imagine Stormwind or Orgrimmar having 10 or so waypoints.
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Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Sun, 02 Sep 2012 17:01:15 EDT

Lagz posted : Don't forget about harvesting resources. Everyone can harvest resources without taking away a main profession skill(like fishing/cooking). Not only that, but you don't have to worry about anyone tagging your nodes, because every node you see is your node. Even if someone else gets there just before you and mines that ore it will still be waiting on you when you get to it.
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Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 16:54:48 EDT

DarkLogix posted : How about flying vehicles, oh right they did that and beta players ruined it.

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 16:38:58 EDT

stvnbrs posted :

said by bTU:

OK, let's pretend some of us here have no clue as to what WvWvW is, and start from the top explaining what it means and what it is so an actual comparison can be made.

Imagine 4 zones the size of the Icecrown zone with a Wintergrasp castle in each except a middle one with a miniature Org. Now place towers supply lines and other areas as such. Put three servers there with 150 people each and let them duke it out like a giant 2 week long Alteric Valley.

Every 5 minutes points are awarded based on how much you control and given to your server. At certain increments your points unlock rewards for your server such as 10% increased xp, better crafting chance ect. Everyone is auto-leveled to max and you can get items from dead players ect. No mounts. Siege weapons, balitstas, but nothing you can ride. You only get credit for participation so standing around does nothing.

This is about the best I can do.
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Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 16:03:29 EDT

DarkLogix posted :

said by Nick D:

Druids chillin' in Moonglade.

Drinkin' some tea (they invited the monks)

oooooom

You can have moon glade its not a worth addition to mage ports. (darnassus is near by.)

but for ally EPL is way out of the way.

and Horde have the swamp as a port that helps them cross the Eastern kingdoms.

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 16:01:09 EDT

Bahamut X posted : But flight paths are awesome!

It's the perfect excuse to go grab the next beer (or *some* from the fridge.

Otoh, I've really enjoyed my paladins almost 500% flight speed... (guild perks + crusader "aura" (which now I get to be a greedy sob like those damn DK's and keep all to my own) + master flying)

Oh, and regarding WvW stuff back in the game... I'd kinda like something like Silithus, post AQ gate opening... There was/still is PVP stuff to do there that is persistent and can constantly change hands...
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Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:55:16 EDT

Nick D posted : Druids chillin' in Moonglade.

Drinkin' some tea (they invited the monks)

oooooom

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:54:13 EDT

DarkLogix posted :

said by TheThing:

said by DarkLogix:

said by knowble:

I completely disagree with the preface that WoW has travel issues.

The mage union agrees with you.
Others not so much.

LOL... bastard mages!

DK's need to hand over their deathgate.

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:37:40 EDT

TheThing posted :

said by DarkLogix:

said by knowble:

I completely disagree with the preface that WoW has travel issues.

The mage union agrees with you.
Others not so much.

LOL... bastard mages!

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:36:16 EDT

DarkLogix posted :

said by knowble:

I completely disagree with the preface that WoW has travel issues.

The mage union agrees with you.
Others not so much.

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:34:00 EDT

Ghastlyone posted :

said by knowble:

I completely disagree with the preface that WoW has travel issues.

The people leveling Archeology would like to speak with you for a moment in the back room.

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:32:13 EDT

TheThing posted : I agree with flying mounts in WoW

I think flying mounts are BAD for world immersion satisfaction

I think it boils down to the LOTR affect...

the journey to mordor would be cheapened if they could fly the eagles there and get dropped off

wouldn't be a story then!

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:23:52 EDT

knowble posted : I completely disagree with the preface that WoW has travel issues.

Players are able to fly around the zones... completely eliminating the sense of scale one should feel.

It is actually common knowledge that GW2 made it a goal to make sure that people had to enjoy/endure zones by walking around.

Teleporting from zone to zone is better than flight paths, but being able to fly around the entire world at (possibly) 310% normal speed MORE than makes up for it.

I actually wish WoW didn't introduce flying mounts... it did take away quite a bit of the "oh my" factor (for me, anyways).

While I think you are wrong, I am not saying GW2 did anything wrong here. I think they were right on the money with travel mechanics.

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:16:32 EDT

TheThing posted : Yes, this is awesome features of GW2. and I do love those!

However, WvWvW could simply just be "added" to WoW as a separate Queue in the game, without changing anything else... (Q for arena, Q for BGs, Q for WvW)

just award honor at a different pace or something for BGs vs. WvW

those other GW2 features you speak of, would be MAJOR overhauls to WoW entirely, major...

WvWvW could simply be an instanced, separate, addition

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:13:16 EDT

Ghastlyone posted : It's not only WvWvW.

It's all the other things in GW2 they did. Instant teleporting around the map. I've waited forever for Blizzard to incorporate that into WoW. Still nothing. We still ahve 10-15min flight paths.

Blizzard has always had a hard on for making travel in WoW difficult/time consuming for some reason. I don't get it.

I grouped with a guildie the other day in GW2. It took him literally 1 minute to get to my location. We grouped and got our objective done.

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:11:42 EDT

TheThing posted : I think I've had 2 OH SHIT AWESOME moments in PvP

#1 - First time I did 40v40 AV... i was like oh shit this is awesome! truly massive PvP

#2 - Frist time I did WvW GW2... takes massively multiplayer PvP to the next level

WG and TB didn't take me there

arena in WoW is awesome, but it wasn't an epic in scale moment

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:10:10 EDT

cymraeg posted : if pvp were your thing then yes but, its not mine so it wouldnt affect my interest in anyway
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Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:02:26 EDT

TheThing posted : I've always loved WoW, and I loved WoW PvP... and WoW play control and responsiveness is still King....

However, GW2 is bringing new innovation to the table, and if WoW swallowed it's pride, and admitted that some of those things would be good changes for WoW, it would benefit WoW.

Either adapt or die... and yes if WoW/blizzard doesn't adapt they will die someday.

If WoW incorporated WvWvW (in some form) I would definitely come back...

after WvW, BGs don't cut it anymore.

it could be a simple FIX to WoW lore...

Horde & Alliance... have to put aside their differences, reluctantly and temporarily to defeat the invaders from the other world... an uneasy/fragile cooperation between them

WvW in WoW would be epic and awesome, and all of you would be in line waiting to get into it

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 02:14:04 EDT

Threatco posted : You know what was good PvP?

Age of Empires II [Trial Version] in MSN Gaming Zone.

Rush and 10BT

Come get owned!!!

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:16:37 EDT

Ghastlyone posted :

said by knowble:

Let me know what server you are on so I can start out on that one. You runnin' around with other DSLR peeps on GW2?

And I am going into GW2 with no hopes of it being a WoW killer. I really enjoy Wow, but hey, if GW2 is that awesome, then you never know...

We're all on Jade Quarry server.

Also, I couldn't give 2 shits if GW2 is a WoW killer or not. I don't play WoW anymore anyways, so it doesn't really matter to me. I just want to play an immersive MMO that's fun. GW2 seems to be it so far.

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:13:32 EDT

Krisnatharok posted : Here's the threads--we have a DSLR guild and have 36 users active in it already prior to official game launch tomorrow--about ~45 have signed up or expressed interest. I know the game thread is long, all the info you need is in the OP of the Aftershock thread:

»[GW2] Official DSLR Guild: Aftershock (SHOK) Info
»Official Guild Wars 2 Thread
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Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:11:48 EDT

knowble posted : Let me know what server you are on so I can start out on that one. You runnin' around with other DSLR peeps on GW2?

And I am going into GW2 with no hopes of it being a WoW killer. I really enjoy Wow, but hey, if GW2 is that awesome, then you never know...

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:04:13 EDT

knowble posted : I think I acknowledged not having played it yet... ?

Anyways, I thought I formed my opinions rather rationally!

I'll be getting it in a few weeks; I hope it does surpass my expectations. That is always a great feeling :)

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:28:18 EDT

Ghastlyone posted : All I say is, watching a few GW2 Youtube videos and forming a concrete opinion afterwards of "MEH", is non sense.

You gotta play it. Don't knock it until you play it. It's badass.

And it isn't solely about PVP. If you want to PVE, you can PVE.

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:11:29 EDT

djlar posted : If you want to PvP all the time go play GW/GW2, there' s another forum for that..

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:52:16 EDT

Krisnatharok posted : What you find compelling is going to be unique to you. Whether a game is enjoyable or not is in the eye of the beholder. There's a lot I find compelling, and I agree with this amazon review:

»www.amazon.com/review/R1GNL67L9R···deogames

The mechanics I find most enjoyable are the polish (being able to be part of multiple guilds, playing on other servers to be with friends, alts are automatically part of your guilds with same rank, etc.), the dynamic questing (if you don't go out and stop the orcs, they really will overrun the town and kill everyone, and camp in it until evicted), and the auto-adjustment to whatever zone you are in (so you can go back and clear content at the appropriate level, be with a friend, etc.).
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Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:46:58 EDT

cymraeg posted : only 2 things i find remotely compelling about GW2 is no monthly, and if i want the extra content i save or if i have the money i buy it thats groovey, and the crafting in it seems fun, other than that there really isnt much to the game that i have seen from various youtube ppl that makes me want to play this game. maybe in 6 months if they put out a mini cheaper version and i have a computer that will actually play it cause mine is a dinosaur, ill give it a try, but not going to rush out and get it for sure.
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Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:39:04 EDT

knowble posted : I watched quite a few videos and it didn't seem that dodging/rolling/evading/kiting was THAT important. A lot of the players maybe did it once a fight. Maybe they suck?

I do think it is a fresh take to have everyone accountable for their own health. I have seen the "down but still fighting mode" and it seems pretty cool.

Still, and this is only from the videos I've seen, it looks pretty easy. I think I'll still try it out.

Here are some of my reservations:

What is the item system like? Is there any sense of uniqueness/rareness of items? Do you get loot on every mob kill?

Is the entire world instanced like in GW1? As in, only the major cities are meeting points for people?

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:32:28 EDT

Krisnatharok posted : I was being completely sarcastic. The PvE side of the house is on par with mechanics out of The Witcher 2 or some other RPG on a higher difficulty setting. You have to dodge/roll/evade/kite enemy attacks and know how to wear them down by timing your abilities and cooldowns. There is no "burst them down in two hits by rolling your face across the keyboard" solution.

Revamping the "holy trinity" of tanks/heals/damage may not be your cup of tea. If it isn't, then GW2 isn't for you. If you're tired about being stuck looking for groups because tanks/heals are under-represented, then you may want to look at GW2. Everyone is personally responsible for maintaining their health level and staying alive.

If you drop to 0% hp, you go into a "down but still fighting mode" where you can steal life from the boss and (limply) hit him. If another player gets to you in time, they can rez you back up.

It's very different, and pretty refreshing, but I understand it isn't for everyone. The WvWvW is very much like the bigger BGs and roll very slowly/incrementally. My gripe is the lack of respawn points (you may have a long run to get back to the front line), although that's a pretty simple fix and does give the side that can actually finish off enemy players a decided advantage until reinforcements show up for the other team (no 30sec respawns then you're back into the fighting--it's more strategic if you can actually take out defenders).
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Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:27:51 EDT

knowble posted : Yeah, I was just watching some GW2 vids and got the impression that it was really, really easy.

Not that WoW is hard right now or anything, but that can be attributed to the end of the current expansion coming near.

One thing that was bothering me (while watching GW2 videos). The commentators kept talking about how there is no need for a healer or tank. No focus on keeping key players alive during encounters. They went on to say that this made it "easier" to recover from PvE mishaps.

Since when did having to heal or tank become a negative thing? It adds much more dynamics to the game.

I don't know, it just looks kind of "meh". I haven't played it yet though.

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:22:58 EDT

Krisnatharok posted :

said by Xaiyne :

GW2 isn't good enough to take anyone away from WoW imo... Maybe the players who never cared about the game to begin with. Currently, there ins't a lot to do in WoW due to it being the end of an expansion and DS was too easy for most people, but as soon as Mists comes out, GW2 pop will drop a bit. I think the scaling is pretty lame, too. Because it just throws you into it without learning, I guess because in GW2 it doesn't matter if you learn what skills do or not lol you just smash them. And don't get me wrong, I am playing it too, and it is fun, but, WoW's still my #1.

That's pretty funny. Are you sure you're playing GW2?
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Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:53:09 EDT

anon posted : that's why they have PvE servers. :c they HAVE to add some form of PvP to satisfy those who do enjoy PvP along with PvE. Only makes sense. I like to PvP, but I'm mostly a PvE fan. Any game who only focues on one or the other is complete fail from the beginning.

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:53:04 EDT

anon posted : No it doesn't. That would be very unfair due to WoW having different types of servers, ie PvP, RP, and normal. I actually prefer WoW's PvP mechanics and style. The only thing I like so far about Guild Wars PvP, is their structured PvP setup, but that is very similar to WoW's so I guess it isn't saying much.

GW2 isn't good enough to take anyone away from WoW imo... Maybe the players who never cared about the game to begin with. Currently, there ins't a lot to do in WoW due to it being the end of an expansion and DS was too easy for most people, but as soon as Mists comes out, GW2 pop will drop a bit. I think the scaling is pretty lame, too. Because it just throws you into it without learning, I guess because in GW2 it doesn't matter if you learn what skills do or not lol you just smash them. And don't get me wrong, I am playing it too, and it is fun, but, WoW's still my #1.

The thing is, a majority of WoW players aren't as interested in PvP as they are in the other content. If they were, I don't think their main game would be WoW. So something like "WvWvW" wouldn't work that well on WoW unless it were only on PvP servers.

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:12:10 EDT

stonhinge posted : agreed. WoW PvP was/is tacked on to a predominately PvE game.

Besides, we used to have perpetual PvP. It was 48 hour AV matches in Pre-BC WoW. PvP for 4-8 hours Friday night, go to sleep, get up Saturday morning/afternoon and rejoin the same AV match. It was ... less than glorious.

Besides, I've been leery of any game that gives away early access for preordering. If the game's done, the game's done. If I have to buy the box to play the game, but I can play it early before the game's released ... why not just release the damn game? I do understand that it might spread out people from starter areas, which would be a good thing.
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Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 03:58:57 EDT

Immer posted : maybe if wow was a pvp game...

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:13:36 EDT

quatra posted : I play on or have played on 8 different servers and I've got to say it would incredibly imbalanced. Just imagine Illidian vs Wyrmrest Accord LOL. I bet we'll see it in wow eventually though.

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:14:13 EDT

stonhinge posted : It sounds interesting - but it wouldn't really work in WoW. At least, not without some tweaking.

Why?

Well, there's the whole 2 factions bit.

Granted, with Arenas it does allow you to pit AvsA or HvsH. Plus the War Games option for guilds, which is basically what you want for the basic mechanic, minus the third side.

Blizzard has tried the "zone/worldwide buff" from a PvP zone before. And it doesn't really work. The majority of players don't like it. Add in the fact that most servers do have a faction imbalance of some kind, and it makes it a bit more unpalatable. Granted, if we had a 3rd faction, it'd work better. But it's too late to incorporate that for WoW. They'd have to hand out free faction changes like candy to get enough people on a third faction. Mostly because entire guilds would need to switch.
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Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:27:10 EDT

Nick D posted :

said by Krisnatharok:

Hope it cleans off...

TWSS?

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:16:37 EDT

Krisnatharok posted : Hope it cleans off...

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:08:20 EDT

saillaw posted :

said by navymaverick:

Not familiar with WvWvW.

Is that like a woman vs woman vs woman? A gal on gal threesome or something? If so I concur with your origional post.

Best comment of the year. Literally spewed coke zero on my monitor.
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Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:44:54 EDT

Nick D posted : Yeah, it's basically tri-realm Wintergrasp (with vehicles and resources and other weird objectives), except it lasts for like a week. Also, apparently how well your realm is doing affects the entire server. You get XP bonuses, world damage bonuses, etc.

Note: first time I looked at anything about it was 5 minutes ago, so I might be missing something very important in there.

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:34:07 EDT

bTU posted : So it's a 3 way BG, that if I read other posts right is just continual? So like if one person from a team leaves another one from a que for his realm that is next in line would get in? Or is there a time limit and whatever team gets the most kills is the winner?

The problem with truly continual BG's is, PVP rewards right now are based on honor points, and most of those come from winning randoms and holiday weekend BG's. If it were all continuous you'd have to tweak the rewards system a bit.
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Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:17:27 EDT

cymraeg posted : they pit 3 teams from 3 different realms against each other in a specified battle area
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Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:09:57 EDT

Ghastlyone posted : Haha, gotcha. I haven't posted in this forum much lately. Getting kinda rusty.

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:09:38 EDT

bTU posted : OK, let's pretend some of us here have no clue as to what WvWvW is, and start from the top explaining what it means and what it is so an actual comparison can be made.
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Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:08:14 EDT

Skittles posted :

said by Ghastlyone:

It'll never happen as long as insta-dungeon and raid queues continue.

PVP server or not.

My comment was one of sarcasm. I think, if your familiar with any of my previous posts as to how Blizzard has ruined this game, you would know that I am in complete agreement with you.

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:47:07 EDT

Krisnatharok posted : What is comabt? :p

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:42:04 EDT

Ghastlyone posted :

said by Skittles:

said by TheThing:

WoW has excellent PvP mechanics... but...

What it needs is WvWvW and perpetual PvP

Roll on a PvP server and dont sit in your faction capitol everytime you log on.

It'll never happen as long as insta-dungeon and raid queues continue.

PVP server or not.

Re: WoW needs to incorporate WvWvW comabt like GW2

Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:39:12 EDT

TheThing posted : this isn't Asia son

us americans need motivation for PvPing... structured PvP