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Gone Fishing
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Re: [WIN8] I miss Aero

said by Michail:

I've actually closed a few wrong windows recently while on the Windows 8 desktop. The boarders and title bars just don't look like OS components. It's hard to describe but things just feel wrong.

Take a look at this and see if it helps:
DSLR: »[Info] WIN8 RTM Easter Egg brings back Aero Lite theme
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JohnInSJ
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Re: [WIN8] I miss Aero

said by Michail:

I've actually closed a few wrong windows recently while on the Windows 8 desktop. The boarders and title bars just don't look like OS components. It's hard to describe but things just feel wrong.

You'll get used to it
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Kilroy
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I finally got my new machine mostly built, am waiting for the last drive for my RAID array before I load it up and move my data. I installed Windows 8, RTM, and spent most of the weekend playing with it. I too found that the lack of Aero makes it look unpolished. Don't give me the they want you to use the new interface, most of your programs go to the desktop. Very few things that you use an actual computer for stay in the new UI. The way I saw it was you have two interfaces, the tablet and computer. They actually have their own control panels. You can't change your login screen background from the desktop you have to do it from the tablet UI.

I'm sure I'll get used it it, but it is going to be a while.
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Octavean
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reply to Michail

Personally I think Apple uses a very plain and simple Desktop design too. Somewhat lacking in color and dimension. It's not a big deal to me either way though.

I got used to XP, Vista / Windows 7 as well as Android, iOS, WebOS and OS X. So I guess I can get used to Windows 8 no problem. In fact I am well on my way in this respect.

I just feel like the simplicity of the Metro interface icons won't necessarily translate well to higher resolution screens (2560x1440 and up) due to the simplicity of the icons. I mean basically they are just shapes with color.

I do miss Aero too though,.....



La Luna
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reply to Michail

Check out BOTH links in this thread, as mentioned above by Gone Fishing See Profile.

»[Info] WIN8 RTM Easter Egg brings back Aero Lite theme



Michail
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I fired up a laptop yesterday that had an older Windows 8 beta still installed. It looked so much better.



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said by J E F F:

Kinda like XP and 2000......MS has learned, computers run better w / o eye candy. Nice looking feature, 100% useless.

Actually a little known thing about areo in win7 is that when enabled it would offload the processing of it to the GPU, but when disabled it would stick it to the CPU causing a higher CPU load.


J E F F
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said by DarkLogix:

said by J E F F:

Kinda like XP and 2000......MS has learned, computers run better w / o eye candy. Nice looking feature, 100% useless.

Actually a little known thing about areo in win7 is that when enabled it would offload the processing of it to the GPU, but when disabled it would stick it to the CPU causing a higher CPU load.

Was unaware of that...
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Many are.

and its a shame, MS put in alot of behind the scenes work on win7 to boost performance and then people turn the stuff off and lower performance by making it look like 2k.

so with W8 they gave up and remove areo.



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For these kids playing Minecraft, though, disabling aero would have been ideal, correct?

Funny thing is, when I first fiddled with Windows 8 about a year or more+ ago, you could get out of the metro gui and onto the regular Vista/7 gui. It was one of the first available for people.
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Glen T

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I didn't really like the transparency of the Areo title bars. I had to make them opaque to do screen captures for Help documents.

But Win8 looks and feels like an old DOS shell from Norton Utilities days. At least they could have rounded off the corners. Have not been able to find the Advanced Appearance Settings in my copy of Win8 Pro. Looks like that was removed.



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said by J E F F:

For these kids playing Minecraft, though, disabling aero would have been ideal, correct?

Nope, Minecraft is a java game and still if you want to play the angle of lower GPU load, the GPU handles it far easier than the CPU, so there is no reason to disable it if you GPU can do it.

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reply to J E F F

said by J E F F:

Funny thing is, when I first fiddled with Windows 8 about a year or more+ ago, you could get out of the metro gui and onto the regular Vista/7 gui. It was one of the first available for people.

I think MS had to remove it because Win8 was made to run on the lowest common denominator, namely tablet PCs with low power CPUs. I guess they didn't want another Vista, where people would be complaining that Aero ran on their desktop but not on their Surface. That's probably the reason that they removed all the rounded corners also. Too much hp required to render circles.

My favourite theme is still XP silver.


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said by Glen T:

I think MS had to remove it because Win8 was made to run on the lowest common denominator, namely tablet PCs with low power CPUs. I guess they didn't want another Vista, where people would be complaining that Aero ran on their desktop but not on their Surface.

Never thought of it that way, but I do agree with your logic. Knowing that Microsoft has said that they want a "common" interface across all platforms (Desktop, Laptop, Smartphones, Tablets), removing it would follow that logic.

However, even if it is not "enabled by default", having the option there so those running on a device that could use it (like a desktop or laptop) could then turn it on would have been better, IMHO. In Windows 7 it may be on by default, but you can go back in and turn it off if you don't want it. Just flip the logic in Windows 8, and make everyone happy.

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said by Glen T:

I think MS had to remove it because Win8 was made to run on the lowest common denominator, namely tablet PCs with low power CPUs. I guess they didn't want another Vista, where people would be complaining that Aero ran on their desktop but not on their Surface. That's probably the reason that they removed all the rounded corners also. Too much hp required to render circles.

I would actually wager that the reason they removed it in Windows 8 is they didn't want Aero on the "desktop" to be competing with Metro. I've heard all the explanations about "reducing power consumption" and all that, but I'm not buying that Aero made much difference in battery life one way or another. I feel they probably realized after the early betas that Metro's competition was actually Aero and that people were spending far too much time over in the "desktop" than Microsoft wanted. They solved that by hobbling the desktop experience.

I'm sure some will label me as a conspiracy theorist but it just seems a natural and logical progression.
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Glen T

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I was thinking more about the "Ready for Vista" problems with PCs that were branded as such but actually failed the GPU testing that MS did prior to installing Aero. I don't think that any tablet would be able to meet the minimum GPU performance criteria that MS set to render Aero.


Glen T

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said by BillRoland:

I'm sure some will label me as a conspiracy theorist but it just seems a natural and logical progression.

I'll take that a bit further. I suspect that XP SP3 was (by design or by coincidence) used to make a case for upgrading to Vista (and then Win7) because it had such a negative impact on system performance when compared with XP SP2.

Can we expect a similar result from some future Win7 SP2?


Octavean
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I only have experience with my Asus Eee Slate EP121 Core i5 tablet PC but I have had no noteworthy problems with it when it was running Windows 7 Home Premium OEM. It ran Aero just fine and it did so off the Intel on-chip video subsystem.

Keep in mind that this is now two year old hardware. Sandy Bridge (with improved graphics) is now superseded by Ivy Bridge (again with improved graphics). Even Atom graphics have improved and AMD based tablets should have decent (better then Intel) graphics as well.

If I were to guess, maybe ARM hardware had something to do with it. Maybe Intel didn’t want to run Aero on ARM and wanted uniformity with respect to appearance on the desktop between ARM and x86 / x64.



Michail
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Windows 8 has all the UI polish as a turn of the century open source project. At least that's how I feel when using it.



Kilroy
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said by Michail:

Windows 8 has all the UI polish as a turn of the century open source project. At least that's how I feel when using it.

+1

That's exactly how I felt when using it. It starts off with a single colored Windows logo, losing the four color logo of the past. I hope they didn't pay money for that idea. Then the loss of Aero makes the desktop look like it is 1999.

I understand that this is to make it function on the lower end hardware, ie tablets, but why should those of us with a real video card have to suffer?
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said by Kilroy:

I understand that this is to make it function on the lower end hardware, ie tablets, but why should those of us with a real video card have to suffer?

This was the point I was making to. Make it off by default (just like Windows 8 installs now), so that the OS works on all platforms that it was designed for. However, if the end user has hardware that will support it (desktops with stand-alone video cards for example), then give them the option to enable it. Sure, the option to enable it could be there on a tablet to, but then the user may see performance issues, bad colors, etc, and then they can just turn it back off again.

It all comes down to choice, which is what Microsoft appears to be taking away from us.

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I hear windows 9 is going to rock.\
Win8 is just Windows ME the third coming



sivran
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reply to Kilroy

I just don't get the corner hate.



RazzyW8

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Windows 9 is gonna have the start screen.



RazzyW8

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reply to DarkLogix

said by DarkLogix:

said by J E F F:

Kinda like XP and 2000......MS has learned, computers run better w / o eye candy. Nice looking feature, 100% useless.

Actually a little known thing about areo in win7 is that when enabled it would offload the processing of it to the GPU, but when disabled it would stick it to the CPU causing a higher CPU load.

I have noticed if you set theme to "Windows Classic" or "Windows Basic" it renders differently - its like it's not complete code or something. It doesn't redraw the entire window at the same time - Windows XP with "Windows Classic" theme "acted" better than Vista/7. "Windows 7" theme (Aero Glass) even runs/looks better than "Windows Classic" and "Windows Basic". "Windows 7" theme with transparent off is the fastest of all. To get that theme, you choose "Windows 7" then click on "Windows Color" and untick "Enable Transparency". Do not untick "Enable desktop composition" in Performance tab or it will not work.

I have ALL animations disabled in Performance tab, shadows included. It is very distracting if I leave them enabled. I cannot stand the way it fades in and out. It must appear instantly RIGHT after I click the mouse button. The Windows 8 start screen appears and disappear instantly - none of that animation.


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said by RazzyW8 :

Windows 9 is gonna have the start screen.

Not if win8 bombs out.


RazzyW8

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said by DarkLogix:

said by RazzyW8 :

Windows 9 is gonna have the start screen.

Not if win8 bombs out.

It won't, I promise.