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tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY
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handset evolution..

android and iphones appeared on the market almost simultaneously.. before than feature phones were mostly non-touch screen devices.. but I'm sure there were a few touch screen "non-smart" phones on the market prior to 2008 (not many).

even before the smartphone wave, voice interface, voice dialing and voice assistane were on handsets.. rectangle designs were already part of the ecosystem, non-external antenna designs, non-upgradable batteries, thin form factors, bottom center primary key functions on phones were available too..

when you have a cult of popularity, billions of market cap, investment banking firm legal & other departments (working to promote a company's rampant stock market price speculation).. you can brainwash people into believing a Ham sandwich is a newly patentable design; and furthermore anybody else who makes a Ham sandwich must make it this way [because it is the ONLY way] and pay a royalty to the Ham sandwich king monarchy.
itguy05

join:2005-06-17
Carlisle, PA

Re: handset evolution..

quote:
android and iphones appeared on the market almost simultaneously..
If you look at early Android prototypes they were pretty much rip offs of Blackberries. After the iPhone was announced/released they rushed it to look like iOS.

jseymour

join:2009-12-11
Waterford, MI

Re: handset evolution..

said by itguy05:

If you look at early Android prototypes they were pretty much rip offs of Blackberries. After the iPhone was announced/released they rushed it to look like iOS.

*sigh*

One year the matte silver look is in for home entertainment hardware. The next year matte black is in. Then shiny black. The following year some other look is in. And every manufacturer of home entertainment hardware pretty much follows that year's trend. Same thing happens in clothing, automobiles, kitchen appliances, you name it. Most everybody is a "rip-off" of somebody else, if you're going to look at it that way.

Perhaps at the time the first Android-based phone was being developed ("Android" is an O/S, not a product), phones like the Blackberry and my Palm Centro were pretty much the way everybody expected phones to be. (Was the Centro a rip-off of the Blackberry, or the other way around? Treos, and other Palms, were out there for a long time.) Then Apple came out with the iPhone and pretty much proved that, yes, people would tolerate a touch-screen-only phone. (How many of you recall the debate over whether the iPhone would succeed, with no keyboard?) It proved wildly popular. So competitors thought "Hey, people really like that design. We better come up with a similar design."

You either follow where the market leads or you die. Somebody has to be the leader. Often, in the consumer tech arena, it's Apple. Probably more often Apple than any other. But just because you're the first to do something new, doesn't necessarily mean you're the only one that can do it.

Jim
itguy05

join:2005-06-17
Carlisle, PA

Re: handset evolution..

said by jseymour:

Same thing happens in clothing, automobiles, kitchen appliances, you name it. Most everybody is a "rip-off" of somebody else, if you're going to look at it that way.


And if you look, there are patents on clothing design. Nike has a patent on Air in shoes, all their designs are patented, etc. Heck Asics has sued Payless and Skechers for design infringement. In fact, Skechers exists to rip off other designs. Something its founder "proudly" admits. There's nothing proud about stealing others hard work.

quote:
Perhaps at the time the first Android-based phone was being developed ("Android" is an O/S, not a product), phones like the Blackberry and my Palm Centro were pretty much the way everybody expected phones to be. (Was the Centro a rip-off of the Blackberry, or the other way around?
Except you had the CEO of Google also sitting on the board of Apple..... And, IIRC RIM has or had patents on physical keyboards which is why few phones looked like Blackberries. I remember something about it when the Motorola Q launched that they licensed the keyboard design from RIM.

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So competitors thought "Hey, people really like that design. We better come up with a similar design."
That's fine, and the others are dissimilar enough to not be just like an iPhone. I actually looked at Samsung's early Android phones in 2010 and they were iPhone clones. Both my wife and I felt the same way....
Angrychair

join:2000-09-20
Jacksonville, FL
Reviews:
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Android has always had touch interface integrated into it. Once you're working with touch interfaces the only real difference between the iphone and any other smartphone that came before it is the removal of hardware input and replacement of it with intuitively placed (exactly where it would have been placed if it were implemented in hardware) software inputs.

Android in its pure forms has never looked particularly like the iphone's interface, (Samsung skinned their releases to be a bit more similar {a dock at the bottom with a grey background, for instance}, but still quite different if you actually use it) but if you think a grid of icons of things like a phone for the phone application (»www.iso.org/iso/graphical-symbol···klet.pdf Check page 31 to see that the ISO standard symbol for a phone is the hand receiver in white on a green background) and a microphone for a microphone application should be protected solely for Apple's use then you're already beyond reason and help.

fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
kudos:2

Re: handset evolution..

said by Angrychair:

Android has always had touch interface integrated into it.

But after iPhone they rushed to redesign it to become more similar to iPhone. There's even a memo detailing this.

LightS
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join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX

Re: handset evolution..

Really? Citation for said memo?

So it states, something along the lines of, "Due to Apple's hit icon system, we have decided to completely overhaul our interface due to it's inferiority to Apple's superior visual design" ?

fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
kudos:2

Re: handset evolution..

said by LightS:

Really? Citation for said memo?

So it states, something along the lines of, "Due to Apple's hit icon system, we have decided to completely overhaul our interface due to it's inferiority to Apple's superior visual design" ?

I'm sure you fandroids can use Google.

All this time weve been paying all our attention to Nokia, and concentrated our efforts on things like Folder, Bar, Slide, yet when our [product] is compared to the unexpected competitor Apples iPhone, the difference is truly that of Heaven and Earth, Its a crisis of design.

LightS
Premium
join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX

Re: handset evolution..

That quote is up to interpretation, and states nothing.

To me, that quote means that they were building products to compete with Nokia's strong OS of the time, Symbian; when, in reality, they should've been competiting with Apple.
Angrychair

join:2000-09-20
Jacksonville, FL
Reviews:
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said by fifty nine:

said by Angrychair:

Android has always had touch interface integrated into it.

But after iPhone they rushed to redesign it to become more similar to iPhone. There's even a memo detailing this.

Yeah, going to need some proof on that assertion, especially considering Google doesn't build hardware, they built a linux based OS.

fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
kudos:2

Re: handset evolution..

said by Angrychair:

said by fifty nine:

said by Angrychair:

Android has always had touch interface integrated into it.

But after iPhone they rushed to redesign it to become more similar to iPhone. There's even a memo detailing this.

Yeah, going to need some proof on that assertion, especially considering Google doesn't build hardware, they built a linux based OS.

It was a Samsung memo. Samsung is the OEM for the flagship Android.
Angrychair

join:2000-09-20
Jacksonville, FL

Re: handset evolution..

Samsung is the OEM for the last few Android flagship devices, but HTC was the original Android flagship device manufacturer (Nexus One).

Seriously, if you have proof go ahead and find it and link it.
openbox9
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join:2004-01-26
Germany
kudos:2
said by tmc8080:

(working to promote a company's rampant stock market price speculation)

Are AAPL's P/E and growth rate speculation as well? Sometimes investing really is that simple.