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Longport, NJ
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Re: I don't use 2gb. said by LightS:That being said, I don't care if the carriers think we need it - it's the fact that they shouldn't dictate how much we use. We should have the ability to use as much as we want, at a reasonable price.
The bone of contention is over what is a REASONABLE price. It will never be as low as people want it to be.
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Why are people paying for it if they don't think it's a reasonable price? They may hem and haw about it, but when they write that check to their carrier they tacitly acknowledge that the price is reasonable. |
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Broadway, NC
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| said by Crookshanks:Why are people paying for it if they don't think it's a reasonable price? They may hem and haw about it, but when they write that check to their carrier they tacitly acknowledge that the price is reasonable.
Nice analysis of a captive customer base but you left out the issues like lack of provider coverage in a large number of areas outside urban centers (and many WITHIN). lack of competition that would allow that customer to "write that check to a different carrier", and provider created congestion.
So even if many would like to use the bandwidth they pay for, often they are unable to get reliable service even at ridiculously inflated prices.
So please tell me where the price of the service gets reasonable?
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| You can't held captive by the provider of a luxury service. Wireless data is not food, it is not electricity, it is not running water, it is not space heating. It is first and foremost a luxury service that you can easily live without if you find the price point objectionable or the service sub-par. |
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Well, I guess somebody had to take the obligatory pot shot.
Not that anyone ever takes his offer to be PAID to write a retort or any other article... |
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| said by PapaMidnight:Well, I guess somebody had to take the obligatory pot shot.
Not that anyone ever takes his offer to be PAID to write a retort or any other article...
Shhh, stop making sense.
Amazing how many people like to bitch about the site yet keep coming back...
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Internet is a utility. For many of us it is how we work, shop, and keep in contact with our families. With tech advances you could say telephone is as much a utility as is the telegraph to make the internet a luxury vs a utility. With the shutting down of DSL in many places there is no more choice but just wireless and they know it. You pay their unreasonable fee because you lose your job/contacts if you don't. Nothing is to high for monopolies charge and politics will never set limits to massive gouging as long as they always get a "cut" in political donations. |
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join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL | reply to Linklist
it will also never be as high as business wants it to be. |
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said by whiteshp:Internet is a utility. For many of us it is how we work, shop, and keep in contact with our families. With tech advances you could say telephone is as much a utility as is the telegraph to make the internet a luxury vs a utility. With the shutting down of DSL in many places there is no more choice but just wireless and they know it. You pay their unreasonable fee because you lose your job/contacts if you don't. Nothing is to high for monopolies charge and politics will never set limits to massive gouging as long as they always get a "cut" in political donations.
Internet is a utility. Internet on your phone is a luxury. There are other ways to communicate with your family. There are other ways to shop. And there is wifi for work and when there isn't, 9/10 work provides you the phone with internet.
I have never needed internet on my personal phone outside of a wifi area one single time. And I don't know a single person who has. |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to Crookshanks
said by Crookshanks:Why are people paying for it if they don't think it's a reasonable price? Well try getting a smartphone from Verizon or at&t or Sprint or T-mobile without a data plan. YOU CAN'T.Most people on Verizon have their $30 data plan? You know why? because that's the cheapest they offer. |
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join:2002-02-04
Broadway, NC Reviews:
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said by silbaco:said by whiteshp:Internet is a utility. For many of us it is how we work, shop, and keep in contact with our families. With tech advances you could say telephone is as much a utility as is the telegraph to make the internet a luxury vs a utility. With the shutting down of DSL in many places there is no more choice but just wireless and they know it. You pay their unreasonable fee because you lose your job/contacts if you don't. Nothing is to high for monopolies charge and politics will never set limits to massive gouging as long as they always get a "cut" in political donations.
Internet is a utility. Internet on your phone is a luxury. There are other ways to communicate with your family. There are other ways to shop. And there is wifi for work and when there isn't, 9/10 work provides you the phone with internet. I have never needed internet on my personal phone outside of a wifi area one single time. And I don't know a single person who has. You, and those you know don't get out much then. Do you have to travel for your job? And if yes, do you have to go into areas without wifi available?
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3
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And utilities charge for service too.
Voice only requires a small amount of bandwidth and thus is fairly cheap, internet functions running constantly require much more bandwidth and thus are fairly expensive.
If it is too expensive, do your high demand apps (shopping, video, etc.) on a connection with a lower cost per byte.
Very few if any places have shutdown DSL, though little effort is going into expanded DSL, upgrading service, or doing non critical line maintaince.
If your job doesn't compansate enough to pay for the nessecary/required tools like a cell phone (and if NESSESARY streaming video,high speed wireless) then it's probably best to change to another profession ASAP. |
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said by whiteshp:Internet is a utility. For many of us it is how we work, shop, and keep in contact with our families. We're talking about cellular internet here. It's a luxury, plain and simple. People can and do live without it. Don't whine to me because you feel it's overpriced while you continue to send Verizon/AT&T/whomever a check each month.
said by whiteshp:With the shutting down of DSL in many places there is no more choice but just wireless and they know it. Where is DSL being "shut down"? Some telcos have halted expansion deeper into rural areas but I'm not aware of shrinking DSL footprints. Even if they are "shutting down" DSL, you've got the choice to move to civilization. Living in the middle of nowhere comes at a premium. Are you also going to bellyache about the increased cost of maintaining a septic tank/well vs. having municipal water/sewer service? |
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said by coldmoon:You, and those you know don't get out much then. Do you have to travel for your job? And if yes, do you have to go into areas without wifi available?
Work should be paying for your cellular data service in this instance.
If they don't, well, decide if it's worth paying for. Weigh the cost of the cellular data connection against the inconvenience of being unplugged for a few hours while you're away from the hotel room.
One wonders how we managed to survive before the days of 24/7/365 connectivity. |
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You can grow your own food. You can generated electricity via solar panels, a wind generator or diesel generator. You can get water from a well or having it brought it via a tanker type truck. You can heat your house via home heating oil, propane, wood or coal. |
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My personal phone. I do not need to use data on my personal phone for my job. |
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Make me wonder how you fair in the third world or in a Amish community.
You it is an utility but like all utilities it is not an entitlement. Ask anybody had their utilities cut off for no payment. Where were you in 1969, I was grow up without computers a son of Black man was the fist to go to college, a grand son of a sharecropper and form a family line of slave in rural Virginia . Guss what I know my family history before there was and internet.
Nether the utility means others have to provide the way you want it, some even provide the own utilities by digging a well or putting up a few solar panels
You can change you way you work and live if you do not have internet. . Beside with so many free hotspots I think you point is moot. |
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join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX
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said by Crookshanks:You can't held captive by the provider of a luxury service. Wireless data is not food, it is not electricity, it is not running water, it is not space heating. It is first and foremost a luxury service that you can easily live without if you find the price point objectionable or the service sub-par.
Electricity is as much of a luxury as internet is.
Also, many people NEED to have electricity and internet at home to work so they can buy food to eat.
Sorry, but internet is a NEED as much as roads, other telecommunication, and electricity.
It may not be a NEED for everyone, but for alot of people it is. No internet, no roads, no electricy = no job to pay for food.
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Katy, TX Reviews:
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ATT does the same thing for any qwerty phone. They make you pay $15 for a data plan.
I buy china android phones w/ wifi to get around the data plan. If your phone has a certain imei number they will just start charging you for data.
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