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Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:12:14 EDT

jx2000 posted :

said by Metatron2008:

Bombed? If I did I wouldn't care. I am a body builder, and a martial artist. I used to get picked on as a kid, and I overcame all obstacles. Very few things actually get on my nerves, although you were starting on the road of one (Assuming things about me is a pet peeve of mine).

I literally have a very deep gritty voice. I can tell you horrible things and laugh about it. Sorry..

Sorry to hear that. It sounds like you have a very tough life as a child.. Hopefully whoever bullied before you got their negative karma already.

said by Metatron2008:

I'll answer you though. I'd say the ipad to frame is 98% percent similar, and the 3gs to galaxy s is around 80-90%. I did own the 3g and my bro owned the 3gs.

Although I don't own any smartphones but many of my friends have iPhones or high end Android phones so I have had plenty of opportunity to play with them in the last few years.

I still think that the "exterior design" of Galaxy S and iPhone 3GS is very similar. Perhaps saying 95% similarity is too much but definitely 90%.

The exterior similarity is almost as much as the similarity between a Toyota FT-86 and a Subaru BRZ but Toyota and Subaru collaborated on the design of their cars together.

Like automobiles which are basically metal chasis with four wheels, phones with rectangular and rounded corner shape can have many different and unique exterior designs. So "trade dress" if what we are talking about here.

If Lexus creates a near duplicate of any BMW car and slaps on a Lexus logo, I'm sure that BMW would sue them. I mean if you are the CEO of BMW, you would want to sue them. Right?

But in reality no Lexus looks like BMWs. And certainly no Toyota Tercel or Echo look like BMWs. Yet, they are all metal chasis with four wheels.

My point was that close similiarty between Galaxy S and iPhone 3GS has left an impression that Samsung is copycat even though their other Android phones have shown less similarity to iPhone. The Galaxy brand became popular after sales of Galaxy S exploded. There is no reason to think that sales of Galaxy S phones were not fueled by its "iPhone 3GS" like exterior design. There were Android phones from HTC and Motorola with similar spec but they did not have sales volume anywhere close to Samsung. Indeed, Galaxy S was a very popular Android phone when it was released. Few of my friends bought Galaxy S over other Android phones because they like its design. In fact they all acknowledged Galaxy S looks like iPhone 3GS and they were happy to see that because the don't want to be locked in to the iPhone platform.

Of course, that is just my opinion so you may disagree.

Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:37:28 EDT

KrK posted : I typed up a long post with point by point rebuttals and examples, but then Firefox crashed. I gave it up. Sorry.

I'll summarize the main point: Some Samsung models were similar to the iPhone, yes, but Samsung had been developing those models before the iPhone, so the argument that the iPhone came out and was widely successful so Samsung cloned it is false.
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Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:17:44 EDT

jx2000 posted :

said by Metatron2008:

Fandroid huh? And something that looks EXACTLY like an ipad 1 is only ripping off up to 70%, and that phone though is 95%? And you aren't an apple fanboy?

I also enjoy your illogal response of something looking just like an ipad, but the ipad isn't 'that ugly'. Adding a few buttons can change a design from ugly to beautiful? Is that what Steve Jobs told you?

First of all, you need to chill.

I don't know what is wrong with you showing this burst of anger. Did I attack you on a personal level? Is this how you normally talk to people is real life? WTH?

The reason I feel iPad is only 70% similar to that Samsung Digital Frame is because of that large black bezel on the Digtal Frame. Put pictures of iPad and the Samsung Frame side by side and Samsung would look "relatively" ugly (not that it is ugly per se). If the large bezel is reduced, then I would say iPad is a 95% duplicate of the digital frame.

Since beauty is in the eye of the beholder, you may very well feel Samsung's Digital Frame looks as good if not better than the iPad. That would be your opinion and that is fine with me

said by Metatron2008:

And btw... look at the attachment ifanboy.

What is that picture supposed to mean?

said by Metatron2008:

If you are gonna spew your opinions as facts at least have some clue of what you speak.

An opinion is an opinion. No one is spewing opinions as facts here.

Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:04:03 EDT

jx2000 posted :

said by saiyan:

It seems like jx2000's posting in this thread has pinched a nerve in you.

LOL... I don't know why he responded in such way. It's as if I made a personal attack against him.

He disagreed with my opinion on iPad and Samsung's Digital Frame and I am OK with that but in the next paragraph he went BANG ! "You illogical moron... blah blah blah ... Did Steve Jobs tell you that? "

That was a pure outburst of anger.

Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:39:12 EDT

Simba7 posted : Yep.. They look exactly the same.. NOT!!!

Why? I own the Samsung and have CM9.1 on it.

Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 09:16:45 EDT

Cheese posted :

said by amarryat:

said by Morac:

All of that is irrelevant though since the iPad's tradedress was not shown to be diluted by Samsung.

Wasn't Apple presenting tablet images that had been stretched so that the device would appear to be shaped just like the iPad? And then claimed that they didn't know they did that?

They sure did

Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 09:04:33 EDT

anon posted : You are much more limited with a touch screen. Are you going to make it round? It can only be rectangular. Now with the variety of models the iPhone looks quite outdated.

Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:54:24 EDT

amarryat posted :

said by Morac:

All of that is irrelevant though since the iPad's tradedress was not shown to be diluted by Samsung.

Wasn't Apple presenting tablet images that had been stretched so that the device would appear to be shaped just like the iPad? And then claimed that they didn't know they did that?

Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:25:41 EDT

Cheese posted : Actually, they don't really doesn't look the same :uhh:

Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 07:07:22 EDT

amarryat posted :

said by fifty nine:

said by MaynardKrebs:

said by fifty nine:

I was referring to the fact that everyone criticized Apple for not having a keyboard, now the iPhone like design with a virtual keyboard instead of a physical one is "obvious."

There have been 'virtual' keyboards on touchscreen devices of all shapes and sizes for at least 20 years. Just because Apple put one on a smaller form factor device does not make it unique and worthy of protection by the courts or a clearly delusional jury.

But Apple made one that was a smash hit, then everyone ran to copy it.

I think "copy" is inaccurate. "Improve" is a better word to use there. The virtual keyboard (and the optional others on the market) are much better and quite different than the iPhone keyboard. If a company's weren't allowed to improve on competitive designs, we'd still be in the dark ages.

Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 07:01:05 EDT

amarryat posted : But isn't the Galaxy S missing the home button?

Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 06:09:43 EDT

Metatron2008 posted : Bombed? If I did I wouldn't care. I am a body builder, and a martial artist. I used to get picked on as a kid, and I overcame all obstacles. Very few things actually get on my nerves, although you were starting on the road of one (Assuming things about me is a pet peeve of mine).

I literally have a very deep gritty voice. I can tell you horrible things and laugh about it. Sorry..

As for the similarities, why should I have mentioned them when the other guy brushed off the similarities so easily? Not only did he brush them off, but he said that the ipad wasn't as ugly. How can such a difference happen when the devices are so similar?

I'll answer you though. I'd say the ipad to frame is 98% percent similar, and the 3gs to galaxy s is around 80-90%. I did own the 3g and my bro owned the 3gs.

Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:31:54 EDT

saiyan posted :

said by Metatron2008:

In this politically correct climate, some people think that saying what's on your mind is called 'emotion'. I call it 'telling the truth', and I DON'T care what you think.

I mean really! Calling me an emotional fanboy is an insult! If you are going to act like you know me, or insult me, at least call me what I am, a neutral sarcastic jackass.

Now do go run after the mods.

Ah... It seems like you are showing a little sense of guilt there.
Well, I will admit that I was guilty too.

So my apology again..

You must be very good at posting sarcastic messages because I have not posted any message or reply to anyone on this web site for a long time until I read yours...

I bet you frequently get bombed by other users.

Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:23:26 EDT

saiyan posted :

said by Metatron2008:

Buyers remorse? I got the thing because I am a ios developer, not because I blindly believe everything Steve Jobs tells me. Go bark up somebody else's tree.

But you were the one who started with emotional response and attached a dumb picture but failed to address the issue mentioned by the previous poster.

said by Metatron2008:

And are you really that blind that you cant see the similarity of that Digital Frame to the ipad? if you think it's 70% too then there is nothing further to discuss as you are obviously blind as hell.

Did I assign that 70% similarity value? No
Did I say ipad does not look like samsung digital frame? No

said by Metatron2008:

See, this is the emotion I feel reading your vomit that you call your post:

[att=1]

Really? Is posting dumb pictures the only thing you are good at?

said by Metatron2008:

You say I'm full of emotions, you are full of mindless assumptions and are apparantly too stupid to understand that some people are just jackasses and can insult without feelings. Go cry to mommy, maybe she has some emotions boy.

And look at that! I just called myself a jackass! Obviously due to emotion right? I mean dirty word! Obviously if you curse it's due to emotion!

There ya go, some more assumptions for you to make with your next vomit of a post.

This is getting childish..
(How old are you anyway? Your profile says you are 30 years old but ..... Okay. I will stop there.).

Okay. I apologize for making fun of you using imac.

Now read carefully.

The main reason i posted a reply to you was because you failed to address the galaxy s issue jx2000 brought up (and also because your reply to him was rather rude).

(Normally i don't like to get involved with these discussion threads involving android and apple users precisely because of the type of replies both you and I have seen from each other, but seeing you posted that "fandroid huh" picture as part of your sarcastic reply was just too much to resist).

If you disagree with what jx2000 posted regarding galaxy s and iphone 3gs, please post a proper reply and address issue without cursing or name calling.

If you disagree with anyone at all concerning any issues, layout your thoughts logically without any cursing or name calling.

Can you post a proper reply to jx2000 and address the similarity between galaxy s and iphone 3gs ?

Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:44:46 EDT

Metatron2008 posted : In this politically correct climate, some people think that saying what's on your mind is called 'emotion'. I call it 'telling the truth', and I DON'T care what you think.

I mean really! Calling me an emotional fanboy is an insult! If you are going to act like you know me, or insult me, at least call me what I am, a neutral sarcastic jackass.

Now do go run after the mods.

Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:25:16 EDT

Metatron2008 posted : Buyers remorse? I got the thing because I am a ios developer, not because I blindly believe everything Steve Jobs tells me. Go bark up somebody else's tree.

And are you really that blind that you cant see the similarity of that Digital Frame to the ipad? if you think it's 70% too then there is nothing further to discuss as you are obviously blind as hell.

And you get emotions from words. You are funny.

See, this is the emotion I feel reading your vomit that you call your post:

You say I'm full of emotions, you are full of mindless assumptions and are apparantly too stupid to understand that some people are just jackasses and can insult without feelings. Go cry to mommy, maybe she has some emotions boy.

And look at that! I just called myself a jackass! Obviously due to emotion right? I mean dirty word! Obviously if you curse it's due to emotion!

There ya go, some more assumptions for you to make with your next vomit of a post.

Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:08:52 EDT

saiyan posted : Metatron2008.

Okay.. This thread has now contain some emotional responses and some how I feel the need to post a message here.

To be fair, jx2000 said he thinks ipad looks similar to the samsung digital frame and apple probably copied the design. He assigned percentages (70%, 95% etc or whatever) to represent different similarity of various devices but that can be subjective though.

Nevertheless i think the point jx2000 was trying to make is that samsung galaxy s looks like a near duplicate of iphone 3gs.

And I agree with him.

Does that mean i am a apple fanboy too?

If so, by whatever logic you have in your head, anyone who even remotely thinks or feels that galaxy s looke like a 3gs is an apple fanboy.

I don't agree with many of the claims apple has against samsung in their lawsuit which is what this thread was about originally but galaxy s represents an example that cannot be ignored (now that jx2000 has brought it up). The thing simply looks too much like a 3gs and is probably one of few things I think apple as valid claim against.

Btw.. I'm not sure what is the purpose of the picture you posted but if you think posting a picture that shows yourself typing a your forum message on an imac(?) would clear you of any fanboism, you are wrong.

Your response to jx2000 is full of emotions and evidence of fanboism. It seems like jx2000's posting in this thread has pinched a nerve in you. That type of emotional response is what we have seen coming from fanatics all sides (android, apple, microsoft). You even brought up steve jobs name!! Lol & facepalm... really?

You sounded more like a imac user who is having buyers remorse and decided to become a fandroid bent on having revenge against apple.

Why not dump your imac and get a PC if you are not happy?
Build one yourself to avoid apple tax and you can get a mac pro like pc for 1/2 the cost or less.

Oh wait. You have already spent money on that imac so you might as well use it until "it just doesn't work". (okay. bad joke)

"Is that what Steve Jobs told you?"

Yup. An emotional response typed on an imac.
You are obviously a victim of apple's reality distortion field but that does not mean you should ignore the fact that galaxy s looks like a 3gs.

If you want to reply to jx2000 properly, you need to address the similarity of galaxy s vs 3gs because that was the subject of his posts.

Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 02:25:40 EDT

r81984 posted : There are devices that look like the iphone made before the iphone.
Also Apple even stole the name iphone.
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Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 02:04:11 EDT

r81984 posted :

said by fifty nine:

said by FBGuy:

quote:
every phone looked like the iPhone.

really? the iPhone is pretty distinctive and I've only seen similarities with it on knockoff Chinese backalley brands. Samsung's devices always look significantly different IMO. I can always tell the difference.

I was referring to the fact that everyone criticized Apple for not having a keyboard, now the iPhone like design with a virtual keyboard instead of a physical one is "obvious."

I still criticize them for not having a keyboard.
No keyboard = not a serious phone.

As for keyboardless touch screen keyboard devices, I had a Palm PDA in 2003 that had a touch screen keyboard only.
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Re: Who copied who?

Wed, 29 Aug 2012 01:59:58 EDT

r81984 posted : My ipad almost looks 100% like that samsung frame.
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Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 23:30:42 EDT

deazwe posted : Exactly.

Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 21:53:47 EDT

Metatron2008 posted : Fandroid huh? And something that looks EXACTLY like an ipad 1 is only ripping off up to 70%, and that phone though is 95%? And you aren't an apple fanboy?

I also enjoy your illogal response of something looking just like an ipad, but the ipad isn't 'that ugly'. Adding a few buttons can change a design from ugly to beautiful? Is that what Steve Jobs told you?

And btw... look at the attachment ifanboy.

If you are gonna spew your opinions as facts at least have some clue of what you speak.

2012-08-28 2···.47.jpeg
fandroid huh

Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 21:31:12 EDT

jx2000 posted : Why don't you post pictures of Galaxy S vs iPhone 3GS?

Is there any reason you posted picture of a Samsung digital frame with large black bezel but you won't post pictures of Galaxy S vs iPhone 3GS?

You want to argue that Apple copied this Samusng digital frame in their iPad design?

Go ahead. I am not disputing whether Apple copied Samsung digital frame or not. Yes, iPad and the digital frame look similar so it could very well be true the Apple copied the digital frame but at least Apple's iPad does not look that ugly.

The level of similarity betwen iPad and that digital frame is at best 70%. On the other hand, Galaxy S is like a 95% copy of iPhone 3GS except it's slightly larger.

When I and my friends first saw an early model of Galaxy phone on display at a local Best Buy, our first reaction was "OMG. It looks just like a iPhone 3GS!". No doubt that sort of reaction has helped Samsung selling those early Galaxy phones.

You don't get that kind of reaction from any Motorola or HTC android phones. And don't forget that Samsung internal document recommending their designer to design phone to look more like iPhone. So there is Samsung's *intent* to *willfully* copy Apple's design.

Again, why don't you as a phandroid post pictures of Galaxy S vs iPhone 3GS?

Once again, I own neither Android nor Apple gadgets and have no plans to purchase any and I'm not attached to either iOS or Android platforms so I can remain neutral. (Windows 8 phone may change my mind).

So why do I even post message here?

It's because this trial has become a hot topic and I kept reading some illogical things said by phandroid side. iSheeps are not much better but the simple fact that many phandroids refused to acknowlege early Galaxy phones are virtually a iPhone look alike or many phandroids say it is okay for Samsung to copy the trade dress of iPhone ticks me off. Come on. Not even Motorola or HTC did that with their phones.

So if you don't want to be called a phandroid, just admit that Samsung was a copycat with their earlier Galaxy phones looking similar to iPhones.

At least my friends who owns Galaxy S acknowledged that it looks like an iPhone 3GS.

Don't even bother to call me Apple fanboy since I have no loyalty to them.

There are two things that made me feeling less sympathetic toward Samsung:

1) Galaxy S was an obvious and blatant copy of iPhone 3GS beautiful exterior design from which they got a free ride to establish their Galaxy brand.

(Yes, iPhone's exterior design is beautiful. You don't need to be a fanboy to acknowledge that).

If Samsung was able to establish their Galaxy brand without wholesale ripoff iPhone 3GS exterior design in their early Galaxy phones, I would have supported them.

But by wholesale ripoff iPhone 3GS exterior design, Samsung has forever left the impression that they are a copycat.

2) Phandroids do not admit Galaxy S violdate (e.g. wholesale ripoff) the trade dress of iPhone 3GS.

Come on. Go to a local Best buy and compare those two phiones yourself. They are basically 95% look alike except slight difference in size.

Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:52:25 EDT

Metatron2008 posted : Again, here is a Samsung digital picture frame from 2006:

Here is the ipad 1 from 2010:

How the hell can anyone say Apple didn't copy this when they made the ipad 1?

Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:45:09 EDT

Metatron2008 posted : Oh really? The white on black, the curved edges, the ipad looks exactly alike!

You are either blind or such a huge ifanboy that you can't see real life.

If you ifanboys are gonna argue about adding a few buttons and a screen difference makes a complete copy of an apple product for samsung, then how is this not a complete copy?

Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:35:09 EDT

Morac posted :

said by Metatron2008:

You mean like how the ipad looks like this samsung digital frame from 2006?

Owned apple fanboys, you can take a seat now.

My iPad looks nothing like that. It seems to be missing a home button and camera, there's lettering across the side and the bezel is huge. Unless you mean it's rectangular in shape in which case then it does look like my iPad, but then so does this:

All of that is irrelevant though since the iPad's tradedress was not shown to be diluted by Samsung.
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Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:28:42 EDT

Metatron2008 posted : You mean like how the ipad looks like this samsung digital frame from 2006?

»www.engadget.com/2006/03/09/sams···s-music/

Owned apple fanboys, you can take a seat now.

Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:22:31 EDT

jx2000 posted :

said by KrK:

All your points are inaccurate, and easily countered. Samsung didn't copy Apple, and the trial was a farce.

Please do.. I would love to hear your counter points..

Samsung did not copy Apple?

Are you saying earlier models of Galaxy phones such as Galaxy S don't look like iPhone 3GS?

Or it just so happened that Samsung Galaxy S turned out to be a iPhone 3GS look alike after Samsung designers spent much time and effort (and possibly under influence of some "bowl of water") working on the exterior design of Galaxy S but they did not look at or copy the exterior design of iPhone 3GS even though it was revealed that Samsung did several design comparisons against iPhone and recommended that their designers to design phones to look more like iPhone ?

Sure... It just so happened and they did not willfully infringe on the tradedress of iPhone 3GS.

I don't see any Motoroal Droids copy iPhone's exterior design the way Galaxy S did.

Have you ever heard or read anyone say the exterior design of Motorola Droids look like iPhone ? No..

If you want to argue that competitors should be able copy Apple design to some extend for the sake of competition, future innovation and whatnot, that is fine.

But to outright saying Galaxy S does not look like iPhone 3GS or Galaxy S did not copy the look of iPhone 3GS means you are a an phandroid.

Several friends of mine have iPhone/iPad or Android phone/tablets and they are all passionate about their own gadgets. I have witnessed how they became either iSheeps or Phandroids. But as someone who only use a dumb phone and have no plan to get a smartphone and tablet, i can claim that my opinion is relatively unbiased.

Yes.. I agree Apple cannot have patent on a simple rectangular and rounded corner but they can certainly protect the trade dress of their iPhone designs. Trade dress is more than rectangular and rounded corner.

Just look at Galaxy S and iPhone 3GS. I can understand why Apple is pissed when Samsung released those early Galaxy phones. They were basically iPhone look alike.

Even though Galaxy phone has Samsung logo and not Apple logo, Samsung basically got a free ride from the trade dress of iPhone.

On the other hand, Motorola Doroids do not look similar to iPhones. Motorola has proved that not all rectangular plus rounded corners are the same.

As long as you don't wholesale ripoff iPhone exterior design, I don't think Apple have a case...

said by KrK:

Ah Firefox crashed again.

Why do you still use Firefox which has become super-bloated?
Please move on to Chrome.

Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:56:30 EDT

93388818 posted :

said by fifty nine:

said by Razzy1 :

Uh not every phones look like an iphones...

Please stop saying that.

I'll keep saying it because it's the truth.

No it isn't.

Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:09:28 EDT

Metatron2008 posted :

said by fifty nine:

said by BF69:

said by fifty nine:

Before the iPhone, every phone looked different. I owned a few pre iPhone smartphones.

After the iPhone, every phone looked like the iPhone.

Who copied who?

Yep looks EXACTLY like an Iphone. :uhh:

[att=1]

Pretty much. The patents involved weren't for the looks of the hardware though, it was about UI elements. Where is the real keyboard?

You mean a UI based on UNIX that Apple copied?

Go learn something fruit fanboy.

Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:44:41 EDT

KrK posted : I don't know what's wrong with my Firefox, and why it now is crashing constantly, but until I can get it fixed I just can't really write good posts here.

I will summarize very briefly. All your points are inaccurate, and easily countered. Samsung didn't copy Apple, and the trial was a farce.

Ah Firefox crashed again.
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Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:38:20 EDT

93388818 posted :

said by FBGuy:

just because it was the popular one doesn't mean you made it first.

exactly!!!

Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:11:03 EDT

insomniac84 posted :

said by FBGuy:

quote:
every phone looked like the iPhone.

Really, it is the basic shape and coloring of the dell axim pda. The only difference between the iphone and stuff that came before it, is that technology shrunk, so the outer case became sleeker. That is a symptom of improvements in technology, that is not a patentable design.

»i.imgur.com/bvm6w.jpg

Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 16:46:05 EDT

jseymour posted :

said by Morac:

Your next non-researched point?

I did not say GPS manufacturers didn't have patent battles. Those are patents on the operation of (in-car) navigation systems, not patents on the rather obvious idea of, you know, putting a navigation system into a car. Furthermore, none of them appears to be about the use of a touch screen used in conjunction with a GPS device.

said by Morac:

Just because you claim something is obvious, doesn't mean it is.

Of course not. Then again: It might well be.

Jim

Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 16:12:33 EDT

Morac posted :

said by jseymour:

You don't see the GPS manufacturers suing one another because one of them (Garmin, probably) was the first one out with a touch screen device.

In car GPS navigation patents:

»www.google.com/patents/US5684704
»www.google.com/patents/US5754430

Garmin vs TomTom and Microsoft vs TomTom Lawsuits:

»www.gpsreview.net/tomtom-success···lawsuit/
»www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/28···lawsuit/
»pulse2.com/2009/02/25/microsoft-···olation/

Your next non-researched point?

Just because you claim something is obvious, doesn't mean it is.
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Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 16:11:30 EDT

jx2000 posted : Samsung Designs "In Development" before iPhone?

So those are phones which were still "in development" and were not released as actual products nor were there public information about them.

What does that imply?

1) Apple cannot possibly have copied something which do not exist nor something which is not known to the public.

2) Although those designs appear to be touch screen phones with rectangular shape and rounded corner, they look ugly when compared to both iPhone and Galaxy phones.

On the other hand, Samsung Galaxy S look eerily similar to an iPhone 3GS. (Yup. Not all phones with rectangle with rounded corners look the same. You can still have good looking design like iPhone and Galaxy and also ugly design like Samsung "Bowl").

So why didn't Samsung stick to one of their own designs "in development" but released something that looked similar to iPhone?

I imagine if Samsung phones all look more like Samsung "Bowl" design, the jury would not have ruled in favor of Apple.

3) Unless there were public information about those phones before iPhone was announced, we can only take Samsung's word that they had those phones "in development". Or perhaps one of their lawyers did a quick photoshop image and presented bunch of ugly looking touchscreen phones as something Samsung had "in development"?

Seriously. Those phones "in development" are ugly.
Once again, why none of the Galaxy phones look more like them?

Finally, even if those phones were "in development" before Apple announced the iPhone, it is still a problem because IMO only actual products count.

(Just like if you want to invalidate a patent with a prior art claim, the information concerning the prior art must have already been made available to the public before the application of the patent in question. You cannot claim something you have "in developed secretly" as a prior art).

I don't know why many phandroids don't think some of the Galaxy phones look like iPhone or it is okay for Samsung to copy iPhone's tradedress.

If I remembered correctly, the popularity of Samsung Galaxy phones exploded after Samsung released Galaxy S.

Can anyone here look at iPhone 3GS and Samsung Galaxy S and tell me they do not look alike?

Many reviews of Galaxy S mentioned the similar look between Galaxy S and iPhone 3GS.

They are basically twins. Yes, there is a big Samsung word/logo on Galaxy S so customers would not confuse Galaxy S for an iPhone but the exterior design of Galaxy S is basically a iPhone 3GS clone.

That means Samsung got a *free ride* in terms of effort spent in design the exterior style of Galaxy S. There was a blue print (aka iPhone 3GS) ready for them to "copy".

Why do I think Samsung Galaxy S copied iPhone 3GS?

Two reasons:
1) iPhone 3GS was released in 2009 and Galaxy S was released in 2010.
2) It was revealed during the trial that Samusng has done design comparisons between their phone and iPhone. And their internal documents have many recommendations to make their phone look more like iPhone. This suggest Samsung has the tendency to copy iPhone instead of spending millions to research and design their own tradedress.

Do you think Galaxy would be as popular today if they look more like Motorola Droids?

Bottom line:
1) Samsung Galaxy S got a free-ride in terms of of exterior design and copied iPhone 3GS.
2) The popular of Galaxy S exploded and helped Samsung established Galaxy as a well known high-end phone.
3) Once the Galaxy brand is estbalished, there is less need to copy iPhone and all Galayx phones after Galaxy S look slightly different from iPhone.

If you are Apple, are you be pissed or happy that Samsung copied your iPhone 3GS design and helped themsevle to estbalish Galaxy brand?

I consider my opinion pretty neutral because I own neither Apple nor Android smartphones.
In fact, I have no plan to get a smartphone.
So I'm pretty much observing from outside of your iSheeps vs Phandroids war.

Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:58:18 EDT

Simba7 posted :

said by KrK:

Or simply put: They got screwed over by the Judge. :D

Oooh. So this could be a "conflict of interest" case against the judge.

Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:46:44 EDT

KrK posted :

said by Angrychair:

The evidence was excluded for procedural reasons. Do you know what that means?

Yes. It means that the letter of the law is used to avoid the intent of the law.

Or simply put: They got screwed over by the Judge. :D
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7 Years before the Iphone.... there was.... Nokia

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:39:31 EDT

KrK posted : Over 10 years ago Nokia demonstrated fully working prototypes of a rectangular screen color smartphone that was controlled by a single main button with almost the exact same form factor of the iPhone.... and they also had a tablet.....

»www.phonearena.com/news/Nokia-mi···_id32425
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Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:18:16 EDT

JohnILM posted :

said by fifty nine:

Before the iPhone, every phone looked different.

Before the iPhone there were three main designs: clam-shell, candy bar, and slider. While these three are extremely different, inside each style the phones were very similar. It's safe to assume that if Apple had release a phone pre-2005 it would have looked a lot like one of these phones. Apple just happened to release their phone when the current "smart phone" technology was possible.

Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:47:24 EDT

LucasLee posted :

said by jseymour:

To qualify for patent protection, a thing must be unique and non-obvious. I'll even grant you "unique." But non-obvious? Hardly. It was an obvious evolutionary step. It's just that Apple took it first.

you're making a normative argument while Apple is dealing with a positive reality.

you're saying "this is how things should be", while Apple is playing the patent game as it must currently be played.

if they don't defend their patents, they will essentially lose their protection under the law.

i believe there is an ol' saying that goes something like, "don't hate the player, hate the game."

Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:35:57 EDT

Zaber posted :

said by fifty nine:

Pretty much. The patents involved weren't for the looks of the hardware though, it was about UI elements. Where is the real keyboard?

You do realize that the HTC Touch was released before the IPhone, and it also does not have a keyboard.

Guess Apple's wasn't the first phone without a physical keyboard. Next time you are going to spew this "stuff" from you mouth at least fact check it, failure to do so show you as an ignorant "fan boy" who has no clue what is is talking about.
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Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:31:52 EDT

LightS posted : Your vision is skewed and biased then.

Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:31:36 EDT

LightS posted : No, they haven't.

Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 12:47:22 EDT

Cheese posted : Except, again, Apple didn't invent any of it.

Re: Who copied who?

Tue, 28 Aug 2012 12:46:33 EDT

Cheese posted : Not only that, but things like awarding damages for phones that DIDN'T infringe?