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Pollux7777

join:2010-02-16
Saint Paul, MN

Thinking of upgrading my graphics card, need guidance...

I built my computer about 3 years ago; and by "built" I mean "held the flashlight while my friend built" I spent quite a bit of money at the time (approx 1,500 bucks) off newegg and my friend slapped it altogether.

Since that time, I completely tuned out on whats new in the PC world, so I have no idea what the latest and greatest is.

I feel as though my gfx card is starting to show its age, and I was wondering whats out there these days.

Im on a tighter budget now (200 dollars MAX), so Ive come to you gurus to see if there are any cards out there in that price range that would significantly improve my performance, or would it be pointless as the rest of my PC would just bottleneck any improvement anyway?

My basic specs are:
Windows Vista Home Premium SP2
Intel Core i7 CPU 920@2.67 ghz
6.0GB ram
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285

I would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks.
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Krisnatharok
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The rest of your build is fine (but Vista??), so here's a card that will provide a considerable step up from the 285:

It is over-budget by $10, but the cheapest 570 I could find: »www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···14127682

Three weeks ago I got a Zotac 570 for $200 (after $30 MIR) but it has been discontinued now that the GTX 600 series is out and established.

You also might want to think about doubling your ram to 12 GB when you get spare change (I assume you are 3x 2 GB 1600 DDR3?). Look at any of these (buy three single 2GB sticks for tri-channel) or two 2x 2GB kits and have one spare in case something goes bad. If you really want to go crazy, buy three kits of 2x 4GB and go for 24 GB (although the system will probably only recognize 16 or 20 GB). Trichannel kind of sucks to upgrade. You either have too much space or too many left over sticks.
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primeomega

join:2004-03-11
De Pere, WI

reply to Pollux7777
I still have my 285, it still runs most games out there. I can play Skyrim among others just fine. To really see a big jump in FPS, you will need to move to the 600 cards. I just got a 670 a few days ago. You will see a little boost with the 570. Anything less than that really is not worth it.

Still in shock how well that 285 has held up over the years!

If you do move into a 600 down the road, the 285 works well for a physx card. Been testing it now with batman.

On a side note, it also works great for a hand warmer.



Pollux7777

join:2010-02-16
Saint Paul, MN

reply to Krisnatharok
Thanks for the replies guys.

So the 600 series are a lot better than the 500's?

I probably wouldnt be getting anything until Christmas time... so maybe prices would drop even further by then.
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Krisnatharok
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The GTX 570 ($230+) is still more powerful than the GTX 660 Ti ($300+) and the GTX 670 ($400+) won't fall to $200 in the next year (or until the GTX 700 series is out).

Get a GTX 570. They are being phased out and heavily discounted until they go out of stock. If you wait until Christmas, you will likely have to get a GTX 660 Ti.
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DarkLogix
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Well that stinks, and here I was thinking of getting a 2nd GTX570 to try out sli (if I can be sure the breaker won't trip)



Krisnatharok
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What stinks? The 570 is the best bang/buck right now, IMO, especially if you find one like I did with a MIR that brings it down to $200 flat.



DarkLogix
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What stinks is that they're being phased out.



Krisnatharok
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Well yeah, they've been replaced. Get 'em while you can, and while the manufacturers are still offering MIRs to move inventory.



DarkLogix
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I was thinking IF I do get a 2nd one it'd be around January, but if they're phasing them out I don't know might just save for a GTX685 and get ready to upgrade to a 2011 system.



Krisnatharok
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Here's a Zotac 570 for $230--I can't tell if there is a MIR on it or not as Zotac requires you to register a product first then check for rebates. However, Newegg gave me a link directly to the PDF whereas Amazon does not.

»www.amazon.com/GeForce-Express-D···=GTX+570

Edit: Here's the link to rebate from Newegg-looks like it has to be purchased *from* Newegg only: »images10.newegg.com/uploadfilesf···ey39.pdf
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DarkLogix
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Its not about if its available now but if it is when I'm ready to buy it.

And I plan that if I do it it'll be the same make/model as my current one.


primeomega

join:2004-03-11
De Pere, WI

reply to Pollux7777
The 670 can be easy o/c to match the 680. and its $100 less.

But like years past, time will move on and new ones will come out. I would just keep eyes open and find the right deal. Newegg seems to always have that daily deal that really is a good deal. And around x-mas sure you will be able to get something good for a great price.



Ghastlyone
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reply to DarkLogix

said by DarkLogix:

Its not about if its available now but if it is when I'm ready to buy it.

And I plan that if I do it it'll be the same make/model as my current one.

You know what's going to happen. You'll purchase another 570, and then the GTX 685 is going to release and you'll be kicking yourself in ass for doing so


DarkLogix
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said by Ghastlyone:

said by DarkLogix:

Its not about if its available now but if it is when I'm ready to buy it.

And I plan that if I do it it'll be the same make/model as my current one.

You know what's going to happen. You'll purchase another 570, and then the GTX 685 is going to release and you'll be kicking yourself in ass for doing so

Or the 570's will have vanished by the time I opt to buy and I'll do what I must to build an awesome 2011 based system.


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reply to Krisnatharok

said by Krisnatharok:

The GTX 570 ($230+) is still more powerful than the GTX 660 Ti ($300+) and the GTX 670 ($400+) won't fall to $200 in the next year (or until the GTX 700 series is out).

First off I don't want to OT the OPs thread, but I'd like to know why that is; I'm looking at a couple cards on NCIX and here's what I get:

EVGA GeForce GTX 570 HD Fermi 732MHZ 1280MB GDDR5 2xDVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Video Card

vs.

EVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti Fpb 951MHZ 1024MB 4356MHZ GDDR5 2XDVI-I Mini-HDMI PCI-E Video Card

Specifically why does the 570 have 732MHZ and the 550Ti have 951MHZ when I know it's a weaker card?
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Krisnatharok
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because clockspeed is only part of the story (also why an i5 at 3.6 GHz is faster than a Pentium 4 at 4.0 GHz).

Quick answer is here: »www.hwcompare.com/9685/geforce-g···gtx-570/
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DarkLogix
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reply to El Quintron
The 570 has more cores enabled
and the 580 has even more.



El Quintron
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said by Krisnatharok:

because clockspeed is only part of the story (also why an i5 at 3.6 GHz is faster than a Pentium 4 at 4.0 GHz).

Quick answer is here: »www.hwcompare.com/9685/geforce-g···gtx-570/

That's a great link, I think I'll be spending a fair bit of time making various comparisons on it.
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Dissembled

join:2008-01-23
Indianapolis, IN

reply to primeomega

said by primeomega:

I still have my 285, it still runs most games out there. I can play Skyrim among others just fine. To really see a big jump in FPS, you will need to move to the 600 cards. I just got a 670 a few days ago. You will see a little boost with the 570. Anything less than that really is not worth it.

Unlike Prime's speculation, I have actually upgraded from a 285 to a 570 and I can assure you it's a significant difference. And I was happy I paid every bit of the $300 it cost me at the time. You also get DX11 out of the deal.

You still need a new OS though.

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