| Is Uverse in some cases just the rebranded DSL ??? Hi and thanks in advance.
I am located in Newport Beach, CA 92663.
Called ATT yesterday because the DSL elite package I have (6.0/1.5) is just not cutting it anymore in terms of performance.
I was told that Uverse is now available in my area but when we discussed details, TV and phone were not available and the only UVerse internet speeds available were the same as the DSL speed options.
They then went on to tell me that they were slowly ramping up the uverse speeds and in a few months or so it will be up to 24mbps and this also is why my DSL speeds have been so slow lately.
So, if I order the uverse 6.0/1.5 am I really just ordering what I have already?
I can not figure this out .. Thanks again... |
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| Stay away from this version of Uverse. Obviously AT&T has not got the bugs fixed if they cannot offer TV or telephone. Uverse is a complex mix of VDSL and ADSL service. VDSL is the real Uverse. Uverse ADSL is just a re-branding in some cases. Remember AT&T is about getting the most money out of you while providing the least amount of service. If they can sucker you into signing up now with all the bugs, they have little incentive to fix problems. |
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 d_lBarsoomPremium,MVM
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kudos:7 | There is no Uverse ADSL. There IS Uverse ADSL2+. The latter will eventually replace the former if AT&T doesn't give up on wired broadband. These areas will probably never have Uverse VDSL.
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 NormanSPremium,MVM
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2 edits | reply to beachfront71
said by beachfront71:So, if I order the uverse 6.0/1.5 am I really just ordering what I have already?
No. What you have now is the older ADSL, delivered over an ATM backhaul, and using PPPoE authentication.
U-verse Internet is (mostly) ADSL2+, delivered over a PTM backhaul, with some kind of 802.xx authentication. (Some is VDSL.)
With legacy ADSL the ATM encapsulation results in an overhead (PPPoE also contributes a smidgen) factor of .85; meaning multiply your modem sync (tier) speed by .85.
With AT&T IPDSLAM, the overhead factor is more like .95.
ATM/PTM are different from ADSL/ADSL2+.
I set my mother up with a CLEC ADSL2+ service (Sonic.net, LLC "Fusion"); it uses ATM so with a modem sync of ~5700, she gets ~4.9 Mb down. At 9,156 feet from the CO, that is the best she will see. She won't sync high enough (6016 required) for IPDSLAM (U-verse Internet is available to her premises) 6.0 Mb service, so AT&T only offers 3.0 Mb service there; so even with a PTM backhaul, the best she could get from AT&T is 2.8 Mb down (3008*.95).
9,156 foot loop with at&t Yahoo! HSI Pro:
9,156 foot loop with Sonic.net, LLC "Fusion":
ADSL, ADSL2+, VDSL; it is all constrained by distance. But the closer you are to the DSLAM, the bigger the difference between ADSL and ADSL2+ speed. I just started "Fusion" service at my new apartment (estimated loop lenght: 3,300 feet). When the circuit was turned up, and before my ADSL2+ modem arrived, I connected an old, SBC-issue ADSL modem, which synced at ~8100 down. Measured D/L speed:
With the new ADSL2+ modem, sync is ~18500. Measured D/L speed:
Keep in mind that AT&T sells speed by tiers; if your sync falls short of the minimum required for 6.0 Mb service (as at my mother's premises) they will only offer the next lower tier. I suspect that AT&T would only offer me the 12 Mb IPDSLAM service here.
P.S. "at&t Yahoo! HSI Elite" can't be 6.0/1.5 because ADSL is limited to 8196/896. Elite is 6.0/.768.
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| reply to davidhoffman
said by davidhoffman:Stay away from this version of Uverse. Obviously AT&T has not got the bugs fixed if they cannot offer TV or telephone.
Seriously? What bugs would those be? My Mom's place had ADSL (at&t Yahoo! HSI Pro) until I switched her to ADSL2+ (Sonic.net, LLC "Fusion"). Each was reliable, though Sonic.net is faster, and cheaper, than AT&T.
AT&T is now offering her "U-verse Pro" (ADSL2+ IPDSLAM), their fastest offering over the 9,156 foot loop. I expect it would equally reliable as the old AT&T ADSL, and the Sonic.net ADSL2+; though not as fast as the latter.
9,156 feet is way too long for IPTV (VDSL), hence why she can't get AT&T TV (nor would I recommend it under any circumstance because her DirecTV satellite service is light years better than AT&T IPTV).
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| Thanks for all the info all though the technical side of this conversation just flew right over my head !!
My question is now:
1. Should I keep what I have until I am forced to switch or go ahead and make the move now to the similar "Uverse branded version"..
and if I make the move
will it allow me to increase the speed package if/when that happens without having to change equipment as Uverse keeps rolling out the service?
Again appreciate the info
PS - how do i find out how far away i am from the CO? |
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1 edit | said by beachfront71:My question is now:
1. Should I keep what I have until I am forced to switch or go ahead and make the move now to the similar "Uverse branded version"..
Only you can decide. However consider that you currently have ADSL over ATM. Modem sync x .85 shows your actual data rate. {6016/768} x 0.85 = {5113.6/652.8}.
If you get the same tier in U-verse, you will get ADSL2+ over PTM; plus a slightly higher upload. Modem sync x .95 for your actual data rate. {6016/1000} x 0.95 = {5715.2/950}.
and if I make the move
will it allow me to increase the speed package if/when that happens without having to change equipment as Uverse keeps rolling out the service?
Not AT&T, but ADSL2+ very close to the CO:
ADSL2+ stats.
But Sonic.net is still over ATM, so the x.85 factor applies to my loop.
PS - how do i find out how far away i am from the CO?
Keep in mind that AT&T is "tier oriented". My posted stats are not likely good enough that AT&T would sell me 18 M U-verse; I expect they would only offer me 12 M U-verse.
P.S. One other difference between standard AT&T ADSL and U-verse Internet: The former has a 150 GB per month cap on data moved by the customer. The meters work, and I have read of one case where a customer was billed for going over the cap. The rate is $10 for every 50 GB over. U-verse Internet is capped at 250 GB per month, but the meters aren't running, last I heard, and I've seen no reports of the U-verse caps being enforced.
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| reply to NormanS
the distance for iptv will have to be less than 3500 ft for this service . |
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| said by techie67:the distance for iptv will have to be less than 3500 ft for this service .
U-verse is not just IPTV/VDSL. OP states, "TV and phone were not available and the only UVerse internet speeds available were the same as the DSL speed options".
With the same speeds available for U-verse Internet as for traditional ADSL service, it is a safe bet the OP won't be able to get IPTV, just IPDSLAM. It may be VDSL if served from a VRAD, or it may be ADSL2+ if served from a CO/RT.
Main thing is that IPDSLAM is not "ADSL re-branded".
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| I currently have ATT DSL 1.5 and get 1.2Mb down and 300k up. I am only eligle for Uverse 1.5. I think I am at 13000 ft fro CO. Would it be worth switching to Uverse or keep my DSL that I have had for over 9 years. I am looking for obvously higher speed. I do not know if the upload speed would go up if I switch to Uverse. I could use higer upload speeds also since I sometimes transfer files up to a remote server. Would it be worth the hassle to switch to Uverse in this case? |
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NormanSPremium,MVM
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| Your modem should sync at 1536/384. Your current, legacy ADSL circuit has an ATM backhaul with attendant 15% overhead, so you would see ~1305/326 max data transfer. U-verse IPDSLAM has a PTM backhaul (less overhead), so you should see ~1460/364 data transfer rate.
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kudos:7 | reply to Elroy
You would also have to get a different modem, probably a 2Wire model for the ADSL2+ service, which you would have to buy. On the plus side you might get a discounted rate for the first year of service.
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| For everyone in this thread that has U-verse internet available, but not the television of phone service, I can probably give you a bit of a tip about whether or not you should switch from your DSL:
U-verse IPDSL can run concurrently with an old ADSL connection at the same premises. If you get a representative that knows what they're doing, you can have the internet-only service installed, leave your existing DSL in place, and see which is faster.
If the U-verse is faster, call and cancel the DSL service. If the DSL is faster, call and cancel the U-verse and return the equipment.
If you are in an area that offers U-verse television, then that type of U-verse cannot be installed if there is any other internet connection active at that physical address, meaning that your existing DSL or cable service must be disconnected before U-verse can be installed. |
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3 edits | said by mnorris80:If you are in an area that offers U-verse television, then that type of U-verse cannot be installed if there is any other internet connection active at that physical address, meaning that your existing DSL or cable service must be disconnected before U-verse can be installed.
I can see why they would care about what is coming in over the copper phone wires, but how exactly do they know (or care) if one has cable Internet?
I use my legacy 1.5Mb ADSL service as a backup to my "real" cable Internet service, and I haven't received the "you must migrate to U-verse" letter. They offer TV in my area, but if they tell me I must chose between U-verse Internet and Comcast, at&t will be history. |
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| said by CharlesH1:I can see why they would care about what is coming in over the copper phone wires, but how exactly do they know (or care) if one has cable Internet?
I don't think they know, or care, about cable services. But if a customer has cable services, and orders IPTV U-verse, be aware that the U-verse installer may attempt to use the existing premises coax for the install. Could disrupt the cable services.
I use my legacy 1.5Mb ADSL service as a backup to my "real" cable Internet service, and I haven't received the "you must migrate to U-verse" letter. They offer TV in my area, but if they tell me I must chose between U-verse Internet and Comcast, at&t will be history.
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