 MrWagsWhat Would Scooby Doo?
join:2004-03-10
Sycamore, IL | WTF!!! Adobe Flash installing unwanted programs I just updated Adobe Flash and also installed WITHOUT any opt-out dialog box was McAffe Security Scan Plus.
WTF is Adobe doing? Why no opt-out?
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| its possible that you didn't have "scripting" allowed on the adobe webpage where you were installing "flash player", in which case the option for opting out of the third-party install is not visible..
if you allow scripting on the webpage, then the option for opting out of the third-party install is visible.. |
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 jadinolfI love you FredPremium
join:2005-07-09
Ojai, CA
kudos:9 | It was visible on my install and I just unticked it.
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 StuartMWWho Is John Galt?Premium
join:2000-08-06
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said by redwolfe_98:...if you allow scripting on the webpage, then the option for opting out of the third-party install is visible..
Oh gotta love the logic for that one. We'll by default install crapware unless you allow scripts to tell us not to.
This is why I try to use only direct download links. I avoid stub/web installers wherever possible. If that's the only choice I'll try them in a VM first to see what they do.
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 ZZZZZZZPremium
join:2001-05-27
PARADISE
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I updated Format Factory yesterday only to see the freaking Ask toolbar exe in my temp folder and no way to delete it.
Had to boot into safe-mode to clean the crap off.
Only portable or standalone apps for me now and for the last couple of years. 
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join:2003-01-17
kudos:2 | reply to StuartMW
said by StuartMW:Oh gotta love the logic for that one. We'll by default install crapware unless you allow scripts to tell us not to. It's similar to some services telling you - if you want us to stop tracking you, accept our cookies and then opt-out. Yeah, right
This is why I try to use only direct download links. I avoid stub/web installers wherever possible. If that's the only choice I'll try them in a VM first to see what they do.
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 gugarciPremium
join:2004-02-25
Lyndhurst, NJ
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If you download Flash from the Adobe Flash page you have to watch out for the unwanted programs and check them off.
»get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
I always download my Flash from the distribution page. No crapware.
»www.adobe.com/products/flashplay···on3.html
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 jabarnutLight Years AwayPremium,MVM
join:2005-01-22
Galaxy M31
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Yes, the link above is the place to get Flash, if you know what you're looking for. No crapware for sure.
And even Filehippo has the same .exe installers, if you feel so inclined. (I don't normally recommend going to a third party site, but no problem going there, as far as I'm concerned).
»www.filehippo.com/
And then, there's the Filehippo Update Checker, which is something I really like.
»www.filehippo.com/updatechecker/
Certainly not something to live by, but has often alerted me to program updates that were important.
In fact, there were times it made me aware of Flash updates even before they were available on the link provided by gugarci  . And they provide direct download links, when the UDC says they're available.
Sorry to get a little OT here, but felt it was worth mentioning.
said by MrWags:WTF is Adobe doing? Why no opt-out?
Because that's the way they want it, so unsuspecting people will install a bunch of crap when they aren't looking carefully.
I find it a little hard to believe there was no "opt out" somewhere, but they're often very easy to miss. Not that I'm really doubting for some reason there wasn't an opt-out in your particular case, mind you.
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gugarciPremium
join:2004-02-25
Lyndhurst, NJ | reply to MrWags
Same things happens at java.com. I'm updating java right now and I have been offered the McAfee Security Scan 2x. Still have 3 more PC's to do.  |
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davePremium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
not in ohio
kudos:8 | reply to MrWags
How can one check for the crap? Entry in 'control panels->programs', browser add-on, or what?
(I am not familiar with McAfee snake oil to know what this Security Scam Plus thing is) |
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I never used that program before, i have been using the free version, Secunia Personal Software Inspector (PSI) and it has worked well.
»secunia.com/vulnerability_scanning/personal/
I am still using the older Version 2 of this program as some like it better the the new version 3 where they made it a smiple UI.
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 siljalineI'm lovin' that double widePremium
join:2002-10-12
Montreal, QC
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Uncheck Bloatware |
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gugarciPremium
join:2004-02-25
Lyndhurst, NJ Reviews:
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It's always visible, same with java.com. Unless you are just clicking away without looking they're not hard to miss. And for users like that these add on's should be the least of their worries. At least these unwanted softwares are not trojans or rootkits. |
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After seeing your post, updated my Format Factory....
The Download doesn't give you option to not load it, but the Install does give you the option of not installing it....... Thanks for the info that FF had a 296 update!
said by ZZZZZZZ:Everything nowadays has some backdoor crap attached to it and though most have some sort of opt out............there are even some legit apps that don't even warn you.
I updated Format Factory yesterday only to see the freaking Ask toolbar exe in my temp folder and no way to delete it.
Had to boot into safe-mode to clean the crap off.
Only portable or standalone apps for me now and for the last couple of years.
said by ZZZZZZZ:Everything nowadays has some backdoor crap attached to it and though most have some sort of opt out............there are even some legit apps that don't even warn you.
I updated Format Factory yesterday only to see the freaking Ask toolbar exe in my temp folder and no way to delete it.
Had to boot into safe-mode to clean the crap off.
Only portable or standalone apps for me now and for the last couple of years.
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said by ZZZZZZZ:Everything nowadays has some backdoor crap attached to it and though most have some sort of opt out............there are even some legit apps that don't even warn you.
I updated Format Factory yesterday only to see the freaking Ask toolbar exe in my temp folder and no way to delete it.
Had to boot into safe-mode to clean the crap off.
Only portable or standalone apps for me now and for the last couple of years.
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I'm not trying to threadjack here, but this is pertinent: Mods, if you are watching, please let this stand. I've posted elsewhere in these forums, but I'm trying to get the word out. The issue's been around for a month or so, and is only now becoming visible to the community.
Slightly off topic, but since we're talking about Flash...
Multiple installs of Flash will cause massive full screen video playback issues, looks like it's buffering at all times and will only play several frames before it starts buffering again. smooth playback isn't possible in fullscreen, and it's only slightly better in the windowed application inside the browser.
It has been observed that Flash can be updated, but the installer doesn't remove or deactivate the old versions or even repoint to the new version.
CONFLICT!!
Seems like all your installed versions of Flash will try to coexist and there's where the stutter/jerkiness comes from
Most notably in Chrome and may affect other browsers as well.
The only version of Flash you use should be the most recent and it should reside in the Win32 directory
Check your flash install locations.
look for the Chrome plugins at chrome://plugins and check your contents. check/disable all flash versions except the one in Win32 |
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 Name GamePremium
join:2002-07-07
North Myrtle Beach, SC
kudos:7 | For chrome it is has been suggested to do the following for the stutter/ jerky problem and it also solve the problem with the real player plugin. A: Chrome has recently been updated. Among the few changes that were rolled out in the update, Pepper Flash has been implemented to handle Flash video. You can learn more about the decision to implement Pepper Flash in this post from Google’s Chromium blog.
As a result of the update, you may have recently started having problems with RealPlayer’s Download This Video button in the browser such as it doesn’t appear when viewing videos in Chrome 21, or maybe you can see the button, but nothing happens when you click it, the following steps should resolve the problem. In order to fix the issue, please do the steps in both sections and close and reopen Chrome before trying the download again.
First: Disable Pepper Flash
1. Open a Google Chrome browser window.
2. In the address bar enter chrome://plugins/
3. Click the Details link in the top right corner.
4. The top entry should show three versions of Flash. Click Disable for the first one (you should see the Location listed as
C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\Application\21.0.1180.60\PepperFlash\pepflashplayer.dll).
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said by mmainprize:I never used that program before, i have been using the free version, Secunia Personal Software Inspector (PSI) and it has worked well.
»secunia.com/vulnerability_scanning/personal/
I am still using the older Version 2 of this program as some like it better the the new version 3 where they made it a smiple UI.
A manager at my job told me about this which I started using for home a few weeks ago. Excellent program.
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 therube
join:2004-11-11
Randallstown, MD | reply to MrWags
> its possible that you didn't have "scripting" allowed on the adobe webpage
In this case, if you have JavaScript disabled, you are never served the file nor given a link you can actually download from.
> Format Factory
Has long included "goodies", Users are advised to pay attention while installing this ad-supported application:.
> The issue's been around for a month or so
Much longer then that.
> Multiple installs of Flash
What do you mean by "multiple installs"?
> smooth playback isn't possible in fullscreen
IE or other browser or both?
> Flash can be updated, but the installer doesn't remove or deactivate the old versions
From (the little) I have seen, it does. Now it could be the case where the old is not discarded immediately, or even that you may end up with say a new IE OCX but the Mozilla DLL does not update until a bit afterwards. Odd the way that works out.
> Seems like all your installed versions of Flash will try to coexist
Even if they did, best I can determine (in Mozilla) is that it would, might, try the plugin in round-robin fashion. So the latest would get the nod, if that did not work, it might then go on to try the next older ... But from what I have seen, even to get to a situation like that would be very odd. (Adobe is a stickler when attempting to install an older version of a program when a newer is already installed.)
> it should reside in the Win32 directory
C:\WINDOWS\system32\Macromed\Flash actually. And 64-bit versions end up in the %windir%\Sysnative\ directory tree.
> Check your flash install locations
Mozilla's Addons Manager will clearly show what plugins you have installed, though not their locations. about:plugins will if you have the preference plugin.expose_full_path;true, set. |
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