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Guspaz
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Re: Canada to deport female U.S. war deserter

said by elwoodblues:

So in your mind a Canadian, who has broken no Canadian laws, but has violated some ideologically driven law in the US should be handed over to the Americans?

Clearly you missed the part of his post that said "US nationals".

A Canadian, who is also an American, and has broken no Canadian laws, but who has broken some US law, yes, they should be punished... Because really you can boil that down to "an American who has broken some US law". For something like the Cuba case, those OFAC restrictions only apply to US residents, so a Canadian citizen would only be arrested in the US for violating OFAC rules if they are *living* in the US.

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I did miss that.

lugnut
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said by Guspaz:

said by elwoodblues:

So in your mind a Canadian, who has broken no Canadian laws, but has violated some ideologically driven law in the US should be handed over to the Americans?

Clearly you missed the part of his post that said "US nationals".

A Canadian, who is also an American, and has broken no Canadian laws, but who has broken some US law, yes, they should be punished... Because really you can boil that down to "an American who has broken some US law". For something like the Cuba case, those OFAC restrictions only apply to US residents, so a Canadian citizen would only be arrested in the US for violating OFAC rules if they are *living* in the US.

How did Marc Emery fit into that formula? Approached by American undercover agents in Canada and tried in absentia in a kangaroo court he's currently doing hard time in the US for selling marijuana seeds which are legal in Canada to mail order customers in the US.

If marijuana laws and the American War on Drugs are not an ideological crime I dunno what else qualifies?

A Lurker
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said by lugnut :

How did Marc Emery fit into that formula? Approached by American undercover agents in Canada and tried in absentia in a kangaroo court he's currently doing hard time in the US for selling marijuana seeds which are legal in Canada to mail order customers in the US.

Unless you were born under a rock he would know that selling drugs (or seeds that will become drugs) to the US was going to be a huge issue. After reading about him briefly this guy almost certainly knew he was likely to get in huge crap for it. Whether you believe in legalization means nothing. Under most definitions he's a drug runner.

Anyway, you raised a huge straw man. This is about an American who broke American law and then fled to Canada to avoid the consequences.

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said by A Lurker:

Unless you were born under a rock he would know that selling drugs (or seeds that will become drugs) to the US was going to be a huge issue. After reading about him briefly this guy almost certainly knew he was likely to get in huge crap for it. Whether you believe in legalization means nothing. Under most definitions he's a drug runner.

He's not a drug runner. He sold seeds, something that while illegal in Canada is rarely prosecuted and only subject to a fine and by no means considered the same thing under Canadian law as actually selling the grown product. The situation is complicated, but regardless of that you demonstrated both a bias and a lack of understanding of what went down with him by these comments.

It would have been very interesting if his extradition made it to the Supreme Court. I don't believe the results would have been as clear-cut as many people may claim. Either way, he agreed to a deal in the US that would see him serve time in return for charges against all his associates being dropped.

As for claiming his argument was straw, not really. The fact that she's an American means nothing. If the woman was a dual citizen and fled to Canada the Americans would most likely have pressured Canada into sending her back just like they took Marc Emery into their own hands too.