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FF4m3

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Apple & Google In Talks To End Patent War?

Apple & Google In Talks To End Patent War?

From The Register:

The heads of Apple and Google are said to be in talks to try and find a solution to the current patent war over the Android operating system.

Much like President Obama, Apple CEO Tim Cook inherited a some-would-say pointless war from his predecessor, but unlike the politicians it seems the techies are willing to try "jaw, jaw, rather than war, war," to quote Winston Churchill.

Reuters reports that Cook and Google CEO Larry Page already had one extensive phone call last week to try and settle their differences, with another that was scheduled for this week but cancelled for unspecified reasons. Meanwhile, lower corporate minions are working on a series of discussion points for the two.

It's not clear if these talks are just about the Android operating system and its similarities to iOS, or if the two are looking at a broader non-aggression pact. Apple may have won $1.05bn in damages from Samsung in court last week, but the Koreans look set to take the issue right to the Supreme Court - and that's a lot of legal bills and bad publicity for Apple.

Similarly, Android OEMs need a bit of stability in their lives. Tim Cook warned the industry that Apple has taken heart from the Samsung verdict and has other companies in its sights, and Larry Page could be willing to come to some sort of deal with Apple that would stave off further legal action.

With both protagonists gone, it may be that both companies have decided the time has come to bury the hatchet. Apple's the most valuable company in the world, but Google's not short of funds, and a protracted legal war could prove very expensive.



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said by FF4m3 :

It's not clear if these talks are just about the Android operating system and its similarities to iOS,

You mean iOS is similar to Unix, of which it is a complete rip-off, as is OSX. Linux/Android is also rip-off of Unix, but it never claimed to be anything else.

Apple has never been truly innovative, they have merely taken the hard work from others (like BSD) and then done an excellent job at marketing it. Most of the parts in the iPhone are made by Samsung -- the company they just sued. Apple's desktop never really got popular until they switched from their crappy PPC to Intel x86 (because x86 is cheaper and more powerful at the same time). So nothing Apple has is original. Their hardware in their mobile devices is primarily Samsung, and their hardware in desktop/laptops is x86. All of it is made by third-parties. And their software is primarily BSD/Mach. Their only innovation is a few userspace applications and rectangular icons.

At least M$ invents their own shit, as crappy as it may be (though M$ is guilty of bogus software patents too and have done their part in fighting Android).

Bottom line: the patent system is out of control.
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said by [ KodiacZiller See Profile] Apple's desktop never really got popular until they switched from their crappy PPC to Intel x86 (because x86 is cheaper and more powerful at the same time). So nothing Apple has is original.

And not that, that has at all dropped Apples exorbitant hardware prices, just more profit. And also left all the G-(x) users in the dust stuck at OX 10.15 they also have no qualms about.

M$ has done its bits of obsolescence to but not that extreme.
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said by KodiacZiller:

You mean iOS is similar to Unix, of which it is a complete rip-off, as is OSX. Linux/Android is also rip-off of Unix, but it never claimed to be anything else.

And Linux and Solaris and BSD are all complete rip-offs of Unix.


FF4m3

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I'm surpirised that some posters here believe that Linux is a UNIX rip-off.

While Linux is 'UNIX-Like' it contain no UNIX code.

The term Unix-like is widely used to describe operating systems that share many of the characteristics of the original UNIX, which was written in 1969 by Ken Thompson at Bell Labs, and its early successors.

However, they do not have a direct lineage to the original UNIX source code, and most of them do not officially describe themselves as being UNIX. This category includes the BSDs (i.e., FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD and Darwin), Linux, MINIX, QNX and Cygwin.

Broadly, any Unix-like system that behaves in a manner roughly consistent with the UNIX specification; more specifically, this can refer to systems such as Linux or Minix that behave similarly to a UNIX system but have no genetic or trademark connection to the AT&T code base.

Apple Mac OS X 10.5 and later is a BSD variant, and has been [UNIX] certified, and a few certified systems (such as IBM z/OS) earned the trademark through a POSIX compatibility layer and are not otherwise inherently Unix systems.



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Understand that my post was in jest. The "Is Linux Unix?" debate is about an interesting debate as YOTLD debates.



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said by FF4m3 :

I'm surpirised that some posters here believe that Linux is a UNIX rip-off.

I thought Linux was a Minix rip-off
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said by Maxo:

said by KodiacZiller:

You mean iOS is similar to Unix, of which it is a complete rip-off, as is OSX. Linux/Android is also rip-off of Unix, but it never claimed to be anything else.

And Linux and Solaris and BSD are all complete rip-offs of Unix.

And parts of Unix are a complete rip-off of other operating systems: e.g., the notion of hierarchical file system came from Multics. As did the idea of writing an OS in a higher-level language. And probably everyone stole something from the SDS940.

Not that any of this matters; I'm just amused by the "foo stole ideas from bar" zealots.

I for one don't want to ever employ a programmer who's too stupid to copy a good idea when he sees one.

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said by FF4m3 :

I'm surpirised that some posters here believe that Linux is a UNIX rip-off.

I assumed the allegation was about ideas, not code. But maybe I misread it.


FF4m3

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said by Maxo:

Understand that my post was in jest.

Sorry, I didn't understand that.
said by Maxo:

The "Is Linux Unix?" debate is about an interesting debate as YOTLD debates.

Not familiar with 'YOTLD'. Googled it, but nada.


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said by FF4m3 :

said by Maxo:

Understand that my post was in jest.

Sorry, I didn't understand that.

I was kidding when I said Linux, etc. was a ripoff of Unix. I was poking fun at the silliness of KodiacZiller See Profile's assertions.
said by FF4m3 :

said by Maxo:

The "Is Linux Unix?" debate is about an interesting debate as YOTLD debates.

Not familiar with 'YOTLD'. Googled it, but nada.

YOTLD = Year of the Linux Deskop.
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FF4m3

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said by Maxo:

said by FF4m3 :

said by Maxo:

Understand that my post was in jest.

Sorry, I didn't understand that.

I was kidding when I said Linux, etc. was a ripoff of Unix. I was poking fun at the silliness of KodiacZiller See Profile's assertions.
said by FF4m3 :

said by Maxo:

The "Is Linux Unix?" debate is about an interesting debate as YOTLD debates.

Not familiar with 'YOTLD'. Googled it, but nada.

YOTLD = Year of the Linux Deskop.

Got it. (smacks head) Thanks.

Shoulda had an extra espresso this morning.

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said by KodiacZiller:

Apple has never been truly innovative, they have merely taken the hard work from others (like BSD) and then done an excellent job at marketing it. Most of the parts in the iPhone are made by Samsung -- the company they just sued. Apple's desktop never really got popular until they switched from their crappy PPC to Intel x86 (because x86 is cheaper and more powerful at the same time). So nothing Apple has is original. Their hardware in their mobile devices is primarily Samsung, and their hardware in desktop/laptops is x86. All of it is made by third-parties. And their software is primarily BSD/Mach. Their only innovation is a few userspace applications and rectangular icons.

Replace innovative with inventive and I might agree with you. Apple definitely is innovative, just not that inventive. There is a difference. BTW Apple does actually design the SOCs for its iDevices and Samsung components make up about 30% of the cost of them.

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I'm not seeing your point.

Sayeth the OED:

quote:
innovative: featuring new methods; advanced and original

quote:
inventive: having the ability to create or design new things or to think

Apple either is or is not inventive. (I'd say they are: iPod, iPhone, iEtcEtc)

Any given Apple product either is or is not innovative. (iPhone, sure; some of the server hardware, not so much.

So, an inventive company is apt to produce innovative products.

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said by dave:

I'm not seeing your point.

The OED aside, in the modern business sense innovation is the taking of an idea and and making it a success to the point that it changes things. Apple has done this repeatedly. They didn't invent the GUI, MP3 player, cell phone or tablet computer but Apple's versions where successful, disruptive and therefore innovative.


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Was the navigation wheel in the iPod an Apple invention, or did that acquire that? People loved that thing, still do. I was given a Cowon D2 and I like it better than the Apple players, it's a little small for the fingers but Rockbox on it is cool, if not a bit buggy.

Incidentally, what ABOUT Rockbox, is it nix like?
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said by signmeuptoo:

Was the navigation wheel in the iPod an Apple invention, or did that acquire that?

iPod click wheel:

It is not widely known that Apple did not develop the click wheel; Synaptics came up with the design for the device. There have nevertheless been a few lawsuits concerning its capacitance-sensing technology.

In January 2007, a U.K Based company named Quantum Research made public a lawsuit against Apple claiming that its own patents on this technology were being infringed by Apple itself. Legal action regarding this lawsuit had been going on since 2005, but was not made public until two years after.

said by signmeuptoo:

Incidentally, what ABOUT Rockbox, is it nix like?

Rockbox:

Rockbox is a free and open source replacement for the standard firmware in various forms of digital audio players (DAPs).



FF4m3

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Apple Inc. Litigation:

From the 1980s to the present, Apple has been plaintiff or defendant in civil actions in the United States and other countries.

Some of these actions have determined significant case law for the information technology industry and many have captured the attention of the public and media.

Apple's litigation generally involves intellectual property disputes, but the company has also been a party in lawsuits that include antitrust claims, consumer actions, commercial unfair trade practice suits, defamation claims, and corporate espionage, among other matters.



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said by dave:

I assumed the allegation was about ideas, not code.

You cannot copyright (or patent) an idea.

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said by Wily_One:

said by dave:

I assumed the allegation was about ideas, not code.

You cannot copyright (or patent) an idea.

And neither did I suggest that unix, linux, etc., were in violation of copyright or patent, merely that they copied something.

Actually, though, you can patent an idea. Software is patentable and it is not necessary for a working implementation to accompany the patent application. Ergo, what you're patenting is an idea. Less directly, even if you demonstrate a working mechanical model (in the non-software case), what you're patenting is the idea by which the machine is realized, not the actual machine.

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