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antdude
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Smartphone apps track users even when shut down

»bostonglobe.com/business/2012/09···ory.html from »www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.···d=134905 ...

Good thing I don't own a mobile phone. :P



StuartMW
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I'm shocked I tell ya, shocked, that smartphones track everything you do and everywhere you go Duh!

BTW as with other cell phones turning them "off" only puts them in a lower power mode. Remove the battery (if possible) to prevent all tracking.
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BlitzenZeus
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reply to antdude

Apparently some people didn't realize that these devices only really go into a standby mode as that is a soft power button, as in controlled by software. If it has power it's operational.


OZO
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Yes, that's what Google's Android phones designed to do - to collect information about users. If you think something different, answer to yourself simple questions:
1. Does your phone have firewall that will help you to block applications from accessing the Internet?
2. Why applications do not have 'X' close facilities (close button, standard "Exit" menu, etc)?
3. Why lot of applications installed on Android phones request completely unnecessary permissions? For example, a flash light app may ask for network access, contacts data, your phone records, GPS data, etc and you can't limit any of those permissions if you want to install it.
4. Why you can't get control over your phone unless you jail break (root) it?

You don't own your own Android phone (in opposite, it owns your personal data), unless you root it. It's by design... And many users don't see that or don't bother to think about is at all.
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BlitzenZeus
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Re: Smartphone apps track users even when shut down

Then I should respond that any modern computer uses a soft power button, and is no longer a true switch, other than the switch on the back of their power supply.



EGeezer
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Somewhere, somehow, the word "sheeple" will be used ...


OZO
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I think I just did it:

said by OZO:

And many users don't see that or don't bother to think about is at all.


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Juggernaut
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Oh snap!

People don't bother to vet apps for the most part. I do, and very carefully. I don't click adverts. Ever. Never have.
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EGeezer
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I'm not a smartphone expert, but it seems these devices are so crippled in their internet security and user content and unsolicited connection control that they're useless for much of anything beyond taking pictures, casual email/text messages, viewing videos and uploading crap to Facebook or twitter.

If I were a business network or critical infrastructure security admin, the thought of allowing BYOD smartphones or other mobile devices access to my network would be a scary one.


BlitzenZeus
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That's actually how it is now, and many of these phones tend not to get the updated firmware leaving them vulnerable to known exploits. The companies in general don't expect you to use a phone for more than one to two years, and might only get one firmware update. Even the popular iphones have this issue, but part of that is they are putting more powerful/different hardware in newer models too.

In general security is an afterthought when it comes to smartphones.
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Dude111
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Yes i imagine they do and MOST PEOPLE WHO OWN THESE THINGS DONT CARE which is quite sad.....



Juggernaut
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Re: Smartphone apps track users even when shut down

Most corporate IT depts lock these down tight for BYOD's. Including the option to remotely wipe them if lost or stolen.
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StuartMW
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Re:  

said by Dude111:

Yes i imagine they do and MOST PEOPLE WHO OWN THESE THINGS DONT CARE which is quite sad.....

Do I get a prize?

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Blackbird
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said by StuartMW:

said by Dude111:

Yes i imagine they do and MOST PEOPLE WHO OWN THESE THINGS DONT CARE which is quite sad.....

Do I get a prize?

»msg deleted

I think you get a free Android app. Assuming, of course, that you allow it to track you 24/7, log all your keystrokes, and take photos of you or your environs whenever it wishes.

That or you get several FREE CAPITAL LETTERS, since you've obviously used up some of your old ones. (Note: vowels will cost you for S&H, though).
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Zach1
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reply to EGeezer

Re: Smartphone apps track users even when shut down

said by EGeezer:

Somewhere, somehow, the word "sheeple" will be used ...

Is iSheep close enough? Sorry....couldn't resist the temptation.

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siljaline
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reply to antdude

See what Facebook permissions are required to run on your Mobile


unoriginal
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reply to Juggernaut

said by Juggernaut:

Oh snap!

People don't bother to vet apps for the most part. I do, and very carefully. I don't click adverts. Ever. Never have.

If you have rooted your phone I highly recommend AdAway, it blocks all the ads at the system level so you never see them.


Juggernaut
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I haven't bothered to root yet, and I may not. Meh.



Dude111
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reply to siljaline

 

Yup i know,its pathetic and shows how MINDLESS ZOMBIES people have become! (And the elite LOVES IT!!!)



siljaline
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There are some that plug and pray, others learn how to lock their phones Dude111 See Profile just like anything else. I would be the latter


OZO
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Re: Smartphone apps track users even when shut down

The whole permission system in Android is a big joke and I think that designers of Android OS are just laughing in our face, displaying those permissions, but allowing users to do absolutely nothing about them. User can't remove or block anything. Suggestion to ask application developers to remove some or all unnecessary permissions is naive and will achieve nothing IMHO. They do it for a reason, then know and will keep it that way... Permission management should be done by the developers of the OS, not by application developers. And control over permissions should be offered to users. But it looks like Android OS designers want to keep laughing at people, who are left with black/white choice - accept it or go away with nothing. Very funny (for them) ... but, at the same time, rather extremely sad (for us, users)
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SipSizzurp
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reply to BlitzenZeus

said by BlitzenZeus:

....many of these phones tend not to get the updated firmware leaving them vulnerable to known exploits.

It is not only the phone firmware that might be exploited. The FBI computers also leak data.
quote:
Hackers associated with Anonymous claim to have swiped more than 12 million Apple iPhone and iPad device identifiers from an FBI computer.
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Someone using the banner of AntiSec — a 14-month-old joint operation of Anonymous and LulzSec — posted a document to Pastebin on Monday that contained links to around a million Apple unique device identifiers (UDIDs). The anonymous poster said the release was intended to highlight the FBI's alleged tracking of Apple customers.
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AntiSec said the hack, which apparently exploited a Java vulnerability, yielded a CSV file containing "a list of 12,367,232 Apple iOS devices including Unique Device Identifiers (UDID), user names, name of device, type of device, Apple Push Notification Service [APNS] tokens, zipcodes, cellphone numbers, addresses, etc".

»www.zdnet.com/fbi-hack-yielded-1···0003668/
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AVD
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reply to antdude

You could always write and market a firewall. Or just install a CM modded rom.
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Drunkula
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Actually I believe it has iptables. Not sure if it was built in or an add-on but I did see mention of it. It is Linux after all...
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siljaline
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reply to OZO

Did you read my reply to antdude See Profile ? OZO See Profile


SafireDonkey
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Oh well, 99.99% of todays people don't even know that their TV is sending what-they-have-been-looking-at-what-time behind their backs too. Who cares, right ?


OZO
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reply to Drunkula

said by Drunkula:

Actually I believe it has iptables. Not sure if it was built in or an add-on but I did see mention of it. It is Linux after all...

Not all Android builds include iptables. For example, HTC Aria / Android 2.1 doesn't. When you try to run DroidWall (third party firewall app), it returns error:
"Error applying iptables rules.
Exit code 1.

iptables v1.4.10
iptables: No chain/target/
match by that name.
Unless you root the phone and install special build ROM with kernel, built with support for the "owner" netfilter kernel module, you will not be able to use iptables firewall.

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siljaline
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reply to SafireDonkey

It would be like plugging a Virgin PC to the Net totally exposed to Android malware


Floriana

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reply to antdude

The world is crazy. No privacy! The world is terrible. No privacy!