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siljaline
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reply to antdude

Re: Smartphone apps track users even when shut down

See what Facebook permissions are required to run on your Mobile



Dude111
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Yup i know,its pathetic and shows how MINDLESS ZOMBIES people have become! (And the elite LOVES IT!!!)



siljaline
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There are some that plug and pray, others learn how to lock their phones Dude111 See Profile just like anything else. I would be the latter


OZO
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reply to siljaline

Re: Smartphone apps track users even when shut down

The whole permission system in Android is a big joke and I think that designers of Android OS are just laughing in our face, displaying those permissions, but allowing users to do absolutely nothing about them. User can't remove or block anything. Suggestion to ask application developers to remove some or all unnecessary permissions is naive and will achieve nothing IMHO. They do it for a reason, then know and will keep it that way... Permission management should be done by the developers of the OS, not by application developers. And control over permissions should be offered to users. But it looks like Android OS designers want to keep laughing at people, who are left with black/white choice - accept it or go away with nothing. Very funny (for them) ... but, at the same time, rather extremely sad (for us, users)
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siljaline
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Did you read my reply to antdude See Profile ? OZO See Profile


SafireDonkey
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Oh well, 99.99% of todays people don't even know that their TV is sending what-they-have-been-looking-at-what-time behind their backs too. Who cares, right ?



siljaline
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It would be like plugging a Virgin PC to the Net totally exposed to Android malware



BubbaKlinton

@comcast.net
reply to SafireDonkey

said by SafireDonkey:

Oh well, 99.99% of todays people don't even know that their TV is sending what-they-have-been-looking-at-what-time behind their backs too. Who cares, right ?

I know a LOT about cable and the cable boxes. Yes, many broadcasters and cable TV program providers would LOVE to know what people are watching, but even if the provision was there for it, how could it know? It cannot!

I leave my cable boxes on all the time. That would mean that NBC might ASSUME I watched NBC all night, and all the time I am at work. It just is useless data.


CableGuy20

@centurytel.net

said by BubbaKlinton :

said by SafireDonkey:

Oh well, 99.99% of todays people don't even know that their TV is sending what-they-have-been-looking-at-what-time behind their backs too. Who cares, right ?

I know a LOT about cable and the cable boxes. Yes, many broadcasters and cable TV program providers would LOVE to know what people are watching, but even if the provision was there for it, how could it know? It cannot!

I leave my cable boxes on all the time. That would mean that NBC might ASSUME I watched NBC all night, and all the time I am at work. It just is useless data.

Not really useless because we know when your TV is idle cause your on the same dull program for hours but when your home you have been flipping from one station to the next. You have to remember all device like a computer has some form of tracking like cookies or apps that spy on you.

When you use the dvr to record your favorite shows they receive a log of what you been watching. Proprietary software always spies because you do have have control over the operating system.


antdude
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said by CableGuy20 :

said by BubbaKlinton :

said by SafireDonkey:

Oh well, 99.99% of todays people don't even know that their TV is sending what-they-have-been-looking-at-what-time behind their backs too. Who cares, right ?

I know a LOT about cable and the cable boxes. Yes, many broadcasters and cable TV program providers would LOVE to know what people are watching, but even if the provision was there for it, how could it know? It cannot!

I leave my cable boxes on all the time. That would mean that NBC might ASSUME I watched NBC all night, and all the time I am at work. It just is useless data.

Not really useless because we know when your TV is idle cause your on the same dull program for hours but when your home you have been flipping from one station to the next. You have to remember all device like a computer has some form of tracking like cookies or apps that spy on you.

When you use the dvr to record your favorite shows they receive a log of what you been watching. Proprietary software always spies because you do have have control over the operating system.

I wonder if there is information on this stuff for us security geeks/nerds.
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AVD
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reply to BubbaKlinton

said by BubbaKlinton :

said by SafireDonkey:

Oh well, 99.99% of todays people don't even know that their TV is sending what-they-have-been-looking-at-what-time behind their backs too. Who cares, right ?

I know a LOT about cable and the cable boxes. Yes, many broadcasters and cable TV program providers would LOVE to know what people are watching, but even if the provision was there for it, how could it know? It cannot!

I leave my cable boxes on all the time. That would mean that NBC might ASSUME I watched NBC all night, and all the time I am at work. It just is useless data.

no, there are algorithms that can compensate for that.
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AVD
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reply to antdude

said by antdude:

I wonder if there is information on this stuff for us security geeks/nerds.

I know after the Janet Jackson / Justin Timberlake Superbowl scandal, TiVo said that was the most rewinded portion of the show.

Also, in the old days you could hack TiVo, there was a log of timestamped keypresses on the hard drive.
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antdude
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said by AVD:

said by antdude:

I wonder if there is information on this stuff for us security geeks/nerds.

I know after the Janet Jackson / Justin Timberlake Superbowl scandal, TiVo said that was the most rewinded portion of the show.

Also, in the old days you could hack TiVo, there was a log of timestamped keypresses on the hard drive.

And no one had decrypt the newer DVRs?
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AVD
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I don't know. I'm out of TiVo hacking as a hobby. Comcast on demand is good enough for me.
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Kearnstd
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reply to AVD

said by AVD:

said by BubbaKlinton :

said by SafireDonkey:

Oh well, 99.99% of todays people don't even know that their TV is sending what-they-have-been-looking-at-what-time behind their backs too. Who cares, right ?

I know a LOT about cable and the cable boxes. Yes, many broadcasters and cable TV program providers would LOVE to know what people are watching, but even if the provision was there for it, how could it know? It cannot!

I leave my cable boxes on all the time. That would mean that NBC might ASSUME I watched NBC all night, and all the time I am at work. It just is useless data.

no, there are algorithms that can compensate for that.

I bet they could even use for many setups now knowing when the HDMI connection goes down that the TV is off. the box has to redo the handshake when I turn the TV on so the box must know when the HDMI connection goes down with the TV off button being hit.
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Anon users

@anonymouse.org

Okay, is time to donate some MORE findings

Android SQLITE default allows OTHER to read and copy your db HISTORY (like browsing, calling, calender, sms histories, whatsoever that use sqlite for database) in ANY APP

all sqlite db are CREATED with rw-r--r-- properties ( 'r--' for other (if you know Unix) in default storage locations) allowing SPYING apps just copy the sqlite databses and upload them to the BIG BROTHER.

Can easily be fixed with a change of 1 line in the code, of course you have to BUILD your android OS yourself ... Good luck