boczar
join:2012-11-22
Redmond, WA | reply to cooldude9919
Re: My Structured Wiring Enclosure I notice you've nicely attached your Monoprice patch panel in the enclosure. I'm working on a similar setup (although with the 14' version) and I realized, when receiving the patch panel, that the mounting wholes don't really align with the ones in the enclosure. How did you mount it? |
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| said by boczar:I notice you've nicely attached your Monoprice patch panel in the enclosure. I'm working on a similar setup (although with the 14' version) and I realized, when receiving the patch panel, that the mounting wholes don't really align with the ones in the enclosure. How did you mount it?
I had to drill holes and find some really shallow bolts. To get everything to fit right i had to do that for a few items in there. |
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7
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If they sell 3ghz swept tested cable (example), why not use corresponding rated connectors? Is it necessary currently? No. But why not for all the same reasons that people advocate using Cat6 or Cat6a cables. There is NO RESIDENTIAL SERVICE that needs Cat6a speced cable. Gigabit runs perfectly well on Cat5e. 10G needs Cat6a, but fibers a better choice anyways and 10G is not a "residential service" anyways. There is also no reason to run Cat5 or 6 for voice. Just run a 4-wire flat cable. You aren't going to have any performance difference for phone conversations
I think a lot of the "structured" wiring is more expensive than it's worth personally, but a neat "wiring closet" is a nice thing to have. And if there is no choice but to have it in an otherwise out in the open exposed location, it's a nice way to have it organized and hidden. |
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kherrPremium
join:2000-09-04
Collinsville, IL Reviews:
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| [ There is also no reason to run Cat5 or 6 for voice. Just run a 4-wire flat cable. You aren't going to have any performance difference for phone conversations ]
Around here you have to use at least cat3 for phone. I thought that was national, but may not. It's my understanding that the usual 4 wire round cable (untwisted, red black green.yellow) was phased out years ago. |
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 Jack_in_VAPremium
join:2007-11-26
Mathews, VA
kudos:1 | said by kherr:[ There is also no reason to run Cat5 or 6 for voice. Just run a 4-wire flat cable. You aren't going to have any performance difference for phone conversations ]
Around here you have to use at least cat3 for phone. I thought that was national, but may not. It's my understanding that the usual 4 wire round cable (untwisted, red black green.yellow) was phased out years ago.
You use cat3 only if you want. Otherwise in your house you can use whatever you want.
You do realize that there are millions of homes using the old 2 pair non-twisted don't you? Their phones work. Also there are millions of miles of underground cable that has been in use for decades long before cat anything.
Why put that high dollar wiring in a home and feed it with the same old? You're never going to have anything better than what your source is. |
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 nunyaWho is John Galt?Premium,MVM
join:2000-12-23
O Fallon, MO
kudos:8
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The "flat" phone cord is crap. It is for short runs from the wall to the phone. It should never be used as interior wire. It acts like an antenna and picks up a lot of ingress.
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| said by nunya:The "flat" phone cord is crap. It is for short runs from the wall to the phone. It should never be used as interior wire. It acts like an antenna and picks up a lot of ingress.
i second that, i live in an area with 4 AM transmitters within spitting distance, there used to be 6 and depending on the room in the house you are in you can hear a different station and thats with JKT, which isnt great but still better than the flat stuff |
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kherrPremium
join:2000-09-04
Collinsville, IL Reviews:
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I'm just going by what the inspectors have said for years and years. You can use anything you want and it will work. They normally just use cat5e around here. Why have several different kinds of wire when they all cost basically the same. The better outfits use white for communication and blue for data.
You can use 14 gauge wire in the wall and it will work too, but if the code says 12, you use 12. If you don't use what is called for in code and get called on it, it's you that is fucked. Hell knob 'n tube wiring works too, but you don't see any new installs with that.
Out with the old technology in with the new |
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Jack_in_VAPremium
join:2007-11-26
Mathews, VA
kudos:1 | said by kherr:Out with the old technology in with the new
I'm just saying the new technology will do nothing if you have the same old crap coming in. That's all. |
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kherrPremium
join:2000-09-04
Collinsville, IL Reviews:
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| At the current rate of wireless phones, phone wiring may become extinct. But then again you might have a central device that receives the signal and distributes it to the house wiring. Then there's always Voip which I think will always be, at least for some time to come .........
Oh what the future holds ......... |
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TheSMJ
join:2009-08-19
Farmington, MI | reply to cooldude9919
Why wire for phones at all? Run all CAT5e/6/6a everywhere and either use RJ-11 jacks on the end, or get Ethernet jacks which also accept RJ-11 connectors. |
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| said by TheSMJ:Why wire for phones at all? Run all CAT5e/6/6a everywhere and either use RJ-11 jacks on the end, or get Ethernet jacks which also accept RJ-11 connectors.
Thats what i did, i thought my posts explained that? Anyway yes i ran cat5e eveywhere, every jack in the house is cat5e that can accept rj45 or rj11. Depending on if i patch my panel into a network switch, or into my phone distrubtion panel, it will either be for phone or internet. |
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TheSMJ
join:2009-08-19
Farmington, MI | Err, so you did!
Sorry about the lack of reading comprehension. |
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 beachintechThere's sand in my tool bagPremium
join:2008-01-06
kudos:5 | reply to Jack_in_VA
I had a hard time setting up my VoIP on 2 pair flat cable and the single pair nylon cord.
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sk1939Premium
join:2010-10-23
Washington, DC
kudos:9 | reply to TheSMJ
Never use RJ45 jacks for RJ11 phone cords, you will mangle the pins and make it useless for any RJ45 plugs you might use in the future. |
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garys_2kPremium
join:2004-05-07
Farmington, MI Reviews:
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·Callcentric
| said by sk1939:Never use RJ45 jacks for RJ11 phone cords, you will mangle the pins and make it useless for any RJ45 plugs you might use in the future.
Some jacks are rated for either type of plug. |
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nunyaWho is John Galt?Premium,MVM
join:2000-12-23
O Fallon, MO
kudos:8 | I have yet to meet one. Can you provide a link? |
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 tschmidtPremium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
kudos:8
 ·G4 Communications
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| said by nunya:I have yet to meet one. Can you provide a link?
I don't think it is a matter of the jack being compatible but rather the 6P plug needs to be narrow enough so as to not crush pins 1 & 8 when plugged into an 8P jack.
I've always played it safe and used 6P4C jacks for phone and 8P8C for data. But theoretical you should be able to plug in a 4 position plug into and 8 position jack without damage. But I've heard enough horror stories not to want to tempt fate. Plus using different style jacks makes it clear which one is for phone and which one is for Ethernet.
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Thanks for the tip. It hasnt came up yet, if it does ill just make a custom phone cable with rj45 on one end and rj11 on the other. I have both style ends and a crimper so no problem there. |
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said by telco_mtl:as much as i hate media panels, i personally prefer using a small rack attached to a backboard, i will say this is really really nice
Agreed. I put a board up, and gigamax panel with fiber/cat/RG6Qd bundles. (I was "lucky" to have free 50-90' scraps from a job...2pr of Cat5e, 1RG6Qd, 1 MultiMode fiber wrapped up).
I have a fiber backbone in a townhome!
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PS. Great job!  |
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