 elitefx
join:2011-02-14
London, ON
kudos:1 | Rogers: The DSL Slayer Rogers and it's subsidiaries (Teksavvy etc) must really be putting the hurt on Bell Fibe.
Here in East London, Bell has curbside Internet package adverts every 50 feet and their ads are popping up on the web in an increasing number.
Is Ma Bell headed for the scrap heap? Or is Rogers just that damn good? |
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 TLS2000Crazy CanuckPremium
join:2004-02-24
Mississauga, ON | In what world is Teksavvy a subsidiary of Rogers?
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 mozerdLight Will Pierce The DarknessPremium,MVM
join:2004-04-23
Nepean, ON
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said by elitefx:Is Ma Bell headed for the scrap heap? Or is Rogers just that damn good? Ma Bell Internet service called Fibe is CRAP ... Ma Bells FTTH is outstanding where available. Ma Bell as a corporation is the epitome of arrogance.
Bell's high speed Internet service is an embarrassment and it's no wonder that Rogers kicks their BUTT. |
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Hooter
join:2009-08-17
Scarborough, ON | Hard to believe that Rogers can kick anyone's butt! |
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 mlernerPremium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | reply to elitefx
Although cable in general is killing telcos in almost every way. I still get a mailing every month saying how good Bell satellite is. Hint: No way in hell I'd allow a Bell satellite on my roof. |
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 PaoloMr. Wireless
join:2004-05-29
canada | what is MA bell? which company is that? |
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...and Rogers cable internet is about twenty years behind the rest of the world. Bell Fibe should have been toast eons ago. |
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yyzlhr
join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:1 | reply to elitefx
Not really. Rogers is really suffering in the Toronto area where they're facing stiff competition from Fibe Internet and TV. The same can be said in Quebec as well in many Videotron and Bell territories. |
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said by elitefx:Rogers and it's subsidiaries (Teksavvy etc) must really be putting the hurt on Bell Fibe.
Here in East London, Bell has curbside Internet package adverts every 50 feet and their ads are popping up on the web in an increasing number.
Is Ma Bell headed for the scrap heap? Or is Rogers just that damn good?
When I was a Rogers customer many years ago the abuse department mass e-mailed customers threatening them with disconnection if internet use was "too high". When asked what this meant the customer service department responded with "we can't tell you". I switched providers and never looked back.
Today they've figured out how to monetize usage by implementing low caps and by charging insane usage fees.
Given current and past behaviour you ask if Rogers is "just that damn good?" Seriously. WTF? Both Rogers and Bell should be headed for the scrap heap. |
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Could just be because they've started marketing more in areas where there's a large influx of students. |
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mlernerPremium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | reply to yyzlhr
said by yyzlhr:Not really. Rogers is really suffering in the Toronto area where they're facing stiff competition from Fibe Internet and TV. The same can be said in Quebec as well in many Videotron and Bell territories.
According to the CRTC's recent report IPTV only makes up about 6% of the market in Canada so I doubt the shift to Bell Fibe is that high. |
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 HiVoltPremium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
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| said by mlerner:According to the CRTC's recent report IPTV only makes up about 6% of the market in Canada so I doubt the shift to Bell Fibe is that high. Them forcing the bundle with their craptastic internet service is probably to blame... |
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bt
join:2009-02-26
canada
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said by mlerner:According to the CRTC's recent report IPTV only makes up about 6% of the market in Canada so I doubt the shift to Bell Fibe is that high.
How much of the market has access to IPTV, though? Quebec City, several areas of the Atlantic provinces, part of Saskatchewan, parts of Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal and a few scattered subdivisions?
The 3 big cities in that list are about 32% of Canada's households according to the 2011 Census, but not all of them have access to IPTV. It would probably be overly generous to say that the areas outside of those cities that have IPTV would make up the difference in the raw household count, but even then that still boosts the market share of IPTV to 18% when you only look at where it's available. That's decent growth for a product in a saturated market over a relatively short time span.
(Unless the CRTC report only looked at markets where IPTV is available)
But I do agree with HiVolt - the growth would probably be higher if it didn't require Bell Internet as well. |
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mlernerPremium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | I'll be that guy but I suspect because it's a Bell product AND because they cover so little areas compared to other telcos. From what I heard Telus has IPTV available in over 70% of their broadband coverage area AND they have had much faster growth. |
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bt
join:2009-02-26
canada
kudos:1 | Yeah, I think Telus was far more agressive about expanding as they didn't have TV service other than white-labelled Bell Satellite.
And I'll be that other guy, and say I'd take Bell TV service over Rogers TV service any day of the week. |
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mlernerPremium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | reply to elitefx
Here's a snippet from the CRTC's report. I'll take another look later to see if I can find other IPTV stats.
Growth in the television distribution market continues to be strong. In 2011, approximately 90% of Canadian households subscribed to a television distribution service, 2.2% more than in 2010. Among households that had a television subscription, 24.5% subscribed to either a satellite or multipoint distribution provider, 5.6% to an IPTV service and 69.9% to cable.
The availability of IPTV increased from 22% in 2010 to 34% in 2011, resulting in a penetration rate of 14% (compared with a penetration rate of 72% for cable). In 2011, 80% of television subscribers received digital services. The top four television distributors captured 89% of all subscribers in 2011. »crtc.gc.ca/eng/publications/repo···/cmr.htm |
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mlernerPremium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | reply to bt
said by bt:And I'll be that other guy, and say I'd take Bell TV service over Rogers TV service any day of the week.
My own opinion but I like Telus far more than either of them, if it came down to choosing telco service. However, I am already planning to dump everything except internet access and cell service. |
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bt
join:2009-02-26
canada
kudos:1 | reply to mlerner
14% doesn't seem too bad, but I suppose it would take a comparison to 2010 penetration to get a proper idea of growth.
Surprised the availability is that high, though. |
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bt
join:2009-02-26
canada
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said by mlerner:said by bt:And I'll be that other guy, and say I'd take Bell TV service over Rogers TV service any day of the week.
My own opinion but I like Telus far more than either of them, if it came down to choosing telco service. Overall corporation wise I do to, and I put Rogers and Bell about even on that.
TV service wise, I've heard some good things about Telus IPTV compared to Bell/Rogers, but have no experience. And would have to move several thousand km to have it as an option. |
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Hurt? Bell?
Bell has no feelings or emotions, only an incessant need for greed.
Perhaps Bell finally rewired that part of town (I doubt it), however its a student mecca, so its probably just a way to boost sales and hook-up the Christmas graduates on a year long contract.
(Christmas graduate - a student that drops out) |
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