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join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
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Re: [TiVo] TiVo access to XFINITY On Demand FYI - Just noticed the latest additions/changes to the XFINITY On Demand list (»www3.tivo.com/products/tivo-walk···dex.html), with "Western MD" being changed to "Maryland*" now:
Maryland*
Michigan*
Washington DC
West Virginia*
Virginia*
* XFINITY On Demand is currently not available in all areas of this region |
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| I see that New Jersey* is listed for partial support but still don't see any updates as to when the entire state will be supported. |
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telcodad
join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:1 | Right now I would have said to use the Zip Code "Look up" on that page to check different areas in NJ, but it still doesn't seem very accurate. |
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| I know that when I tried other states it worked. What sucks is that I just got my TiVo set back up and been looking forward to the on demand stuff |
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telcodad
join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:1 | reply to netcool
FYI - The new "TiVo Mini" DVR extender box that TiVo officially launched today »pr.tivo.com/press-releases/tivo-···o-994989 is supposed to work with Comcast's XFINITY On Demand service.
A review of it can be seen on the Zatz Not Funny! blog site: »www.zatznotfunny.com/2013-03/tiv···-review/ |
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Riverside, NJ
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| It uses the host TiVo Premiere for all tuner related activity so it simply uses the Premiere's tuner for XFINITY On Demand. In other words if the Premiere can do XFINITY On Demand, then so can the Mini.
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kudos:1 | Yes, and there's now an article on the Multichannel News site specifically about Comcast's support for it:
Comcast Shoots VOD to Retail TiVo Minis
MSO Offers Xfinity On Demand Service to TiVo’s $99 IP-Based DVR Client Box
By Todd Spangler, Multichannel News - March 11, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/cable-opera···s/142132 |
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said by Morac:It uses the host TiVo Premiere for all tuner related activity so it simply uses the Premiere's tuner for XFINITY On Demand. In other words if the Premiere can do XFINITY On Demand, then so can the Mini.
...and on the flip side, if the Premiere CAN'T do Xfinity on Demand, neither can the Mini.
A lot of us with the two tuner TiVo's are still hoping for a software update to allow the Mini to use Ethernet streaming instead of relying on a tuner which would leave us with only one functional tuner left.
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| Ethernet streaming of what, live TV? That requires a tuner. The software update is to allow the tuner to be allocated dynamically which could allow it to be used with a 2-tuner box as needed without forcing one to be assigned to the Mini. A tuner is still required no matter what.
Xfinity VOD won't require a tuner from the Premiere, it's IPTV. |
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| said by GTFan:Xfinity VOD won't require a tuner from the Premiere, it's IPTV.
That's incorrect. Xfinity VOD on TiVO is not IPTV.
Xfinity VOD on the Premiere works the same way it does on Comcast's own boxes. The only difference is that TiVo boxes use the Internet for a return channel where as cable boxes use a DOCSIS modem QAM return channel.
The Premiere requests a program via an Internet gateway. The server assigns a QAM channel for the stream and tells the Premiere what channel to tune to.
At that point all video/audio goes through the QAM channel, while control and feedback is done via the Internet (TCP/IP).
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No not live tv, of recorded programming stored on the TiVo already. |
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said by Morac:said by GTFan:Xfinity VOD won't require a tuner from the Premiere, it's IPTV.
That's incorrect. Xfinity VOD on TiVO is not IPTV. Xfinity VOD on the Premiere works the same way it does on Comcast's own boxes. The only difference is that TiVo boxes use the Internet for a return channel where as cable boxes use a DOCSIS modem QAM return channel. The Premiere requests a program via an Internet gateway. The server assigns a QAM channel for the stream and tells the Premiere what channel to tune to. At that point all video/audio goes through the QAM channel, while control and feedback is done via the Internet (TCP/IP). Wow, thanks for the clarification. No wonder it's taking so long to roll out and IMO that's uh, a really dumb way of doing it when you already require HSI to get it working anyway. And you tie up a tuner that would keep you from using VOD if all of them are recording something. Just stream it from servers and roll it out to everyone just like you do with Xfinity on PCs or Xboxes, but that's Comcast for you. |
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| said by GTFan:Wow, thanks for the clarification. No wonder it's taking so long to roll out and IMO that's uh, a really dumb way of doing it when you already require HSI to get it working anyway. And you tie up a tuner that would keep you from using VOD if all of them are recording something. Just stream it from servers and roll it out to everyone just like you do with Xfinity on PCs or Xboxes, but that's Comcast for you.
It might be a "dumb way" of doing it, but because the video is not going out over Internet, Comcast's doesn't need to compress the hell out of it like they do for XBox/PC version. I haven't tried the Xfinity VOD on XBox, but I've read the compression artifacts are very noticeable. I haven't seen any compression artifacts when using Xfinity VOD on my Premiere.
Also it can run using a "low" (1.5 mbps) bandwidth DSL connection. You don't need to use Comcast's HSI.
Plus from Comcast's perspective it's easier since they feed VOD to their own boxes using QAM anyway so everything that's available on their own boxes is available on TiVo. The only difference is the return channel, which should be very easy to set up with the proper hardware.
Granted I had an older crappy Motorola HD box, but Xfinity VOD on the Premiere much more responsive than it was on my old cable box. It actually responds instantly to button presses (pause, rew, ff) where as my old box took a few seconds to respond.
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| But the tradeoff is that they apparently have to enable it on every headend, so it's literally taking them years to get it rolled out. Pretty much like every new Comcast DVR, in other words. If they had done it like they did on the Xbox, every Tivo Premiere user with decent HSI would have it now. |
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| said by GTFan:But the tradeoff is that they apparently have to enable it on every headend, so it's literally taking them years to get it rolled out. Pretty much like every new Comcast DVR, in other words.
Yes and no. I believe the Internet gateway is not headend related. For example my Premiere is connecting to a gateway somewhere out of state. What needs to be enabled is for the local headend hardware to be able to talk to said gateway. TiVo and Comcast use SeaChange's Cardio service to do VOD.
I don't know how hard that is to set up, but it can't be all that difficult since they managed to turn on the entire state of NJ (with some exceptions) over the course of a few weeks.
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Murfreesboro, TN | reply to netcool
Gosh I wish this would hurry up and hit TN - we haven't had OD in years! |
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telcodad
join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
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said by Morac:I don't know how hard that is to set up, but it can't be all that difficult since they managed to turn on the entire state of NJ (with some exceptions) over the course of a few weeks.
said by Mike Wolf:I'm still in that "exception" of New Jersey lol
FYI - you just got a response to your post on the Comcast Help and Support Forum about these "exceptional" areas of NJ, from Ted Hodgins (aka "ComcastTeds"): »forums.comcast.com/t5/Video-On-D···5#M12933
"Scheduled to be available in the remainder of NJ in early May 2013. Thanks for your patience." |
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| Yeah I was just about to post the response lol »forums.comcast.com/t5/Video-On-D···5#M12933
Looks like early May 2013. Pretty cool. We'll see if it has anything to do with the supposed Cisco CableCARD firmware update or new features being brought with the S26 software update on the Cisco boxes. |
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| Nope, as I've heard from others who already have the new firmware, it has nothing to do with the Xfinity On Demand service. Must be a configuration change at the headend then. |
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