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reply to booj

Re: Organic Food.. not as safe?

said by Ian:

Quick question though, when was the last time there was a produce recall in Canada due to excessive pesticides? None that I can remember.

There was also the Ottawa incident a few years back that was in all the news about strawberries having way too much pesticides. people were ending up in area hospitals with blistering on the lips and tongues and other allergic reactions.

This was about 6 years ago (+/-).

It happens...

Did you not hear of this Ottawa incident? Was on all the news at the time. Alerts were constantly being put out all summer so people would extra wash the berries. Since it wasn't too long ago, is should be findable on google... A quick search didn't show anything. Maybe a google-ninja can find it.

But that is extreme cases. But does that make lower concentrations just peachy and ok?

Lower concentrations of fat soluble DDT (and it's metabolites) won't harm you either in the short term. Should we put it on your eggs?


CanadianRip

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reply to DKS
said by DKS:

You really don't know how the media works.

I do - and I can tell you that you're very naive as to how it works.

Want one example - dig up one major scathing article about MDG Computers exposing their unethical business practices in a major news publication where they advertised major full page spreads frequently.

Right down to influencing even local papers that distribute through Metroland/other conglomerates.

A company with a history of screwing over people for over a decade, and not one person manages to blow the whistle? I wonder why that is...


Thats right

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reply to elwoodblues
said by elwoodblues:

That might be in community TV, not in commercial TV, I've spent enough time in it to know exactly how the system works.

That's right. Happened enough times in the states. but guess he knows all.

Also happened to Myth Busters and their RFID show 3-4 years ago that never aired. Discovery backed down and cancelled the airing of that show because the advertisers got all fired up about it

Money and advertisers pull the strings.

Quite a few examples of this that occurred.


Xstar_Lumini

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reply to DKS
said by DKS:

said by Xstar_Lumini:

Lol at you guys been swindled. The corporation that PAID the TV series W5 to investigate and put down the organic small farmers was Dosanto corp the world' biggest genetically modified grain supplier that is striving to PATENT the world's food supply, they are being sued by brazilian farmers right now.

Got proof? CTV and W5 don't accept money.

I heard this about 2 days ago on 640 AM the John Oakley show, he's not going to lie or fabricate this, it's well-known that Mosanto sponsored the investigation and W5 accepted the "help". That's blatant conflict-of-interest if you ask me.


so um

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I haven't heard anything about this W5 show and Mosanto. Links? Is the show online? News coverage of the scandal links?


Xstar_Lumini

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I couldn't find anything on Google about the payment to W5 by Mosanto but I found this:

»www.ctvnews.ca/scc-ruling-means-···1.267426

(CTV network virtually cheering a Mosanto court victory over impoverished small farmers, what a coincidence that CTV is the only network in Toronto reporting this victory)


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reply to elwoodblues
said by elwoodblues:

said by DKS:

said by elwoodblues:

Technically you are correct, however they could have bought ad time on the network and fluff disguised as a news piece is created.

Seen this many times

Sales and editorial are two separate lines with different executives. The two do not cross.

That might be in community TV, not in commercial TV, I've spent enough time in it to know exactly how the system works.

And given that there is something called journalist ethics, the suggestion that there is a crossover (Sun Media excepted) is exaggerated.
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reply to Xstar_Lumini
said by Xstar_Lumini:

said by DKS:

said by Xstar_Lumini:

Lol at you guys been swindled. The corporation that PAID the TV series W5 to investigate and put down the organic small farmers was Dosanto corp the world' biggest genetically modified grain supplier that is striving to PATENT the world's food supply, they are being sued by brazilian farmers right now.

Got proof? CTV and W5 don't accept money.

I heard this about 2 days ago on 640 AM the John Oakley show, he's not going to lie or fabricate this, it's well-known that Mosanto sponsored the investigation and W5 accepted the "help". That's blatant conflict-of-interest if you ask me.

Just because you heard John Oakley says it doesn't mean it is so.
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reply to Xstar_Lumini
said by Xstar_Lumini:

I couldn't find anything on Google about the payment to W5 by Mosanto but I found this:

»www.ctvnews.ca/scc-ruling-means-···1.267426

(CTV network virtually cheering a Mosanto court victory over impoverished small farmers, what a coincidence that CTV is the only network in Toronto reporting this victory)

If you google "monsanto organic" there is considerable media interest in the subject.
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yoyomhz

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reply to LastDon

Re: Organic Food.. same as non organic?

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZtiyAPU···e=g-vrec


one more reason organic is better - it's not genetically modified


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reply to CanadianRip

Re: Organic Food.. not as safe?

said by CanadianRip:

A company with a history of screwing over people for over a decade, and not one person manages to blow the whistle? I wonder why that is...

Wow, it's funny you bring that up... I'm the only person outside of a group of people I'm friends with thats ever echoed that question.

I'm familiar with MDG's extremely unethical business practices, right down to criminal acts, and I've always wondered how they were never called on their shit.


CanadianRip

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said by urbanriot:

Wow, it's funny you bring that up... I'm the only person outside of a group of people I'm friends with thats ever echoed that question.

I'm familiar with MDG's extremely unethical business practices, right down to criminal acts, and I've always wondered how they were never called on their shit.

I need to walk a fine line in what I say, but I will say this: There are a few ticked off journalists out there that tried to publish for their respective publications and where not allowed.

In fact MDG managed to get their PR machine to write up a full page editorial on Goran Varaklic the CEO as some kind of brilliant business person.

If a smaller company like that can manage their PR in that manner, then imagine what Kraft, General Mills, PepsiCo, and Nestle can do to combat a growing organic movement that directly threatens their entire business model with some spend?

You think they can squeeze out a bad report or two? Nah... we can fully trust all our for profit media companies 100%! How you can read that last sentence and not understand how idiotic it sounds is baffling.


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reply to CanadianRip
said by CanadianRip:

Want one example - dig up one major scathing article about MDG Computers exposing their unethical business practices in a major news publication where they advertised major full page spreads frequently.

MDG is still in business? Looks like they have expanded into furniture. They have a grand total of ten stores in Canada! Their Line of Credit is an obvious rip off. So is their web site, with no prices listed. And they ask you to give up your SIN for a credit check. Obvious traps. But I haven't seen an MDG ad in print or on TV for years.
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DKS
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reply to Thats right
said by Thats right :

said by elwoodblues:

That might be in community TV, not in commercial TV, I've spent enough time in it to know exactly how the system works.

That's right. Happened enough times in the states. but guess he knows all.

The US isn't Canada.

Also happened to Myth Busters and their RFID show 3-4 years ago that never aired. Discovery backed down and cancelled the airing of that show because the advertisers got all fired up about it

Money and advertisers pull the strings.

Quite a few examples of this that occurred.

You have quoted one example from the US. How about a proved Canadian example?
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reply to urbanriot
said by urbanriot:

I'm familiar with MDG's extremely unethical business practices, right down to criminal acts, and I've always wondered how they were never called on their shit.

Did you ever complain? Write to Goldhawk? Marketplace? Ellen Roseman (to name a few)?
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reply to CanadianRip
said by CanadianRip:

In fact MDG managed to get their PR machine to write up a full page editorial on Goran Varaklic the CEO as some kind of brilliant business person.

A quick search brought up all kinds of legal actions like this »www.servicealberta.gov.ab.ca/pdf···/MDG.pdf against MDG. That's doesn't mean that the media are ignoring him or that they are influenced by advertisers. Just that MDG is a company I would not do business with. Caveat Emptor.
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Expand your moderator at work


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reply to DKS

Re: Organic Food.. not as safe?

said by DKS:

said by urbanriot:

I'm familiar with MDG's extremely unethical business practices, right down to criminal acts, and I've always wondered how they were never called on their shit.

Did you ever complain?

Not through social or organizational methods, but more through legal channels. They did change one practice shortly thereafter but we're not sure if that was a natural change or prompted by action.

Some of their actions though, difficult to voice a complaint. They did one shady deal where you buy a PC and you get a free printer! ...unfortunately they removed the colour ink cartridges, which the printer wouldn't function without. If you wanted the 'colour option' you'd have to pay $35 or something like that.

I'm not sure if such in-store deals represented company policy but they had a reputation amongst IT people 'round these parts and we all continually wondered how their reputation wasn't known to the general public. How are these guys still in business?

Sometimes I think CanadianRip is off his rocker... sometimes I think he might be on to something...


DKS
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said by urbanriot:

said by DKS:

said by urbanriot:

I'm familiar with MDG's extremely unethical business practices, right down to criminal acts, and I've always wondered how they were never called on their shit.

Did you ever complain?

Not through social or organizational methods, but more through legal channels. They did change one practice shortly thereafter but we're not sure if that was a natural change or prompted by action.

Some of their actions though, difficult to voice a complaint. They did one shady deal where you buy a PC and you get a free printer! ...unfortunately they removed the colour ink cartridges, which the printer wouldn't function without. If you wanted the 'colour option' you'd have to pay $35 or something like that.

I'm not sure if such in-store deals represented company policy but they had a reputation amongst IT people 'round these parts and we all continually wondered how their reputation wasn't known to the general public. How are these guys still in business?

Sometimes I think CanadianRip is off his rocker... sometimes I think he might be on to something...

The practice of removing the printer cartridge is an extension of the printer manufacturer's practice of putting partial cartridges in new printers so that you print a few pages and then have to buy a new one... which you don't discover until too late.
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said by DKS:

The practice of removing the printer cartridge is an extension of the printer manufacturer's practice of putting partial cartridges in new printers so that you print a few pages and then have to buy a new one... which you don't discover until too late.

Uhm no.

»www.moneyville.ca/article/124307···k-of-ink
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Not directed at you elwood.

While this is off topic to the thread at hand, just stop buying inkjet printers, spend the extra $50-70, and buy a decent colour laserjet and never look back. I'm still on the "starter toner" kit from over a year ago which was only supposed to last for 2500 sheets of black and around the same for colour. I've printed nearly 6000 sheets of black, and have 30% of the toner left and 40% of the colour. There's plenty of good models out there.

Hell, I know a few people who are still on the starter kits from 3-4 years ago on their colour laser printers.


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reply to DKS
said by DKS:

The practice of removing the printer cartridge is an extension of the printer manufacturer's practice of putting partial cartridges in new printers so that you print a few pages and then have to buy a new one... which you don't discover until too late.

A partial ink cartridge can give a casual user half a year of printing, while removing the cartridge renders the device inoperable. I wouldn't call that an extension, as they advertised a free item that people expected to function until they plugged it all in and discovered they need to spend money to restore its operation.

Warez_Zealot

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reply to yoyomhz

Re: Organic Food.. same as non organic?

said by yoyomhz:

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Quick question for you. How hard is it to wash off pesticides? I bought some 50% strawberies yesterday to eat for lunch. I tossed them in a strainer, and washed them with tap water and lightly scrubbed them with my hands before cutting them up and eating them. Is that good enough?

PS, I'm gonna check out that book on the dangers of pesticides, seems like it will be an interesting read.
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DKS
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reply to urbanriot

Re: Organic Food.. not as safe?

said by urbanriot:

said by DKS:

The practice of removing the printer cartridge is an extension of the printer manufacturer's practice of putting partial cartridges in new printers so that you print a few pages and then have to buy a new one... which you don't discover until too late.

A partial ink cartridge can give a casual user half a year of printing, while removing the cartridge renders the device inoperable. I wouldn't call that an extension, as they advertised a free item that people expected to function until they plugged it all in and discovered they need to spend money to restore its operation.

If you can get 6 months of use out of those partial cartridges, you must not print much...
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DKS
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reply to elwoodblues
said by elwoodblues:

said by DKS:

The practice of removing the printer cartridge is an extension of the printer manufacturer's practice of putting partial cartridges in new printers so that you print a few pages and then have to buy a new one... which you don't discover until too late.

Uhm no.

»www.moneyville.ca/article/124307···k-of-ink

Yes, I read that article recently. Both are rip-off practices.
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said by DKS:

And given that there is something called journalist ethics, the suggestion that there is a crossover (Sun Media excepted) is exaggerated.

These "journalistic" idiots were too stupid to PhotoShop their pictures correctly. That report borderlines on outright lying and propaganda.
»www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article···5u00nD4M

I don't believe any media outlets unless their claims can be substantiated by reliable sources. It's usually pretty hard to do given the amount of plagiarism and lazy reporting going on these days.

Whoever was involved editing then posting those pictures should be fired on the spot IMO.
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CanadianRip

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reply to DKS
said by DKS:

A quick search brought up all kinds of legal actions like this »www.servicealberta.gov.ab.ca/pdf···/MDG.pdf against MDG. That's doesn't mean that the media are ignoring him or that they are influenced by advertisers. Just that MDG is a company I would not do business with. Caveat Emptor.

According to you? Sorry, I have first hand information from someone who actually been responsible for managing their Public Relations. They are currently under my employment.
MDG did threaten to pull advertising in retaliation to harmful articles.

I really don't give a crap about exposing this either, because they're a nobody company with insufficient resources to try to drag anyone into libel action.


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reply to urbanriot
said by urbanriot:

Sometimes I think CanadianRip is off his rocker... sometimes I think he might be on to something...

You'll be a far happier person if you continue to believe I am in fact off my rocker.


yoyomhz

join:2003-02-15
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reply to Warez_Zealot

Re: Organic Food.. same as non organic?

said by Warez_Zealot:

.... and washed them with tap water and lightly scrubbed them with my hands before cutting them up and eating them. Is that good enough?

A friend of mine was told, by someone who works for the government testing for pesticides - If You Don't Wash Your Produce EVERY TIME - YOU ARE DUMB.

Fungicides historically used for strawberry disease control in Florida include azoxystrobin, boscalid, captan, fenhexamid, myclobutanil, potassium bicarbonate, pyraclostrobin, thiophanate, and thiram . Other fungicides actively registered in Florida in 2010 include Bacillus pumilus, Bacillus subtilis, carbonic acid, copper (in hydroxide, sulfate, oxychloride, and octanoate forms), cyprodinil, dodine, fludioxonil, fosetyl-Al, Gliocladium virens, hydrogen dioxide, iprodione, mefenoxam, phosphoric acid, polyoxin D, propiconazole, Pseudomonas fluorescens, pyrimethanil, quinoxyfen, Reynoutria sachalinensis extract, Streptomyces lydicus, sulfur, Trichoderma harzianum, trifloxystrobin, and triflumizole (11

All those different fungicides for Florida strawberries. No wonder strawberries are #3 on the dirty dozen list. Some of the fungicides are systemic, which means it goes inside the fruit and can't be washed off.


yoyomhz

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reply to LastDon
Reason # 37 Why Pesticides Bad

Sick, stupid and sterile
by Miranda Holmes » Sep 6th, 2012, 12:46 pm

In September 1962 – 50 years ago this month – a book was published which changed the way we looked at the post-World War Two chemical revolution. Rachel Carson’s Silent Spring – a clarion call about the perils of pesticides – is largely credited with launching the modern day environmental movement.

Soon after its publication, the indiscriminate spraying of DDT on farm fields and suburbs in the US ended, followed in 1972 by an outright ban on its manufacture and use. Forty years later, DDT’s metabolite DDE can be found in the bodies of 95% of Americans.

These chemicals persist.

Rachel Carson wrote about the damage pesticides could do to humans and wildlife in doses as small as one part per million.

In 1996 another ground-breaking book was published. Our Stolen Future by Theo Colborn and Peter Myers details the wealth of scientific research highlighting the ability of many supposedly safe manmade chemicals (including still widely used pesticides) to mimic hormones and – in parts per billion – interfere with immune system, cognitive and reproductive development.

Put simply, there is every reason to believe that chemicals in our environment are making us sick, stupid and sterile.

Earlier this year, the Environmental Working Group (EWG) released its annual guide to pesticide residues on domestic and imported produce. The guide highlights the worst of the worst, the dirty dozen fruits and vegetables which shoppers should replace with organic produce wherever possible.

Think all you have to do is wash and peel your fruit and vegetables before you eat them? Guess again. The majority of studies on which the EWG guide is based involved testing samples after they had been washed or peeled.

Most alarming were the number of samples contaminated with organophosphate (OP) insecticides.

A study by Stephen Rauch of BC Children’s Hospital has linked prenatal exposure to these known neurotoxins with lower birth weight and shorter gestation. Rauch notes that these pregnancies began after OPs were restricted for most uses. He also flags other studies linking prenatal exposure to OP insecticides with abnormal reflexes and reduced cognitive abilities.

In a worrying article in the current issue of Watershed Sentinel, children’s health expert Bruce Lanphear highlights the research linking exposure to environmental contaminants with increasingly common childhood illnesses and disabilities.

For example, OP insecticides have been strongly linked with dramatic increases in attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), while the marine anti-fouling chemical tributyltin has been identified as an “obesogen” which can mimic the hormones involved in the development of obesity.

One of the several quotes from Rachel Carson which Lanphear uses in his article is the following: “Thalidomide and pesticides represent our willingness to rush ahead and use something new without knowing what the results are going to be.” Lanphear points out that the substantial and lifelong implications for children of exposure to environmental chemicals are subtle and often unlikely to be recognised.

In the month when the manufacturer of thalidomide finally issued an apology for the damage caused by its drug, Lanphear quotes environmental health expert David Rall, who once remarked: “If tha¬lidomide had caused a ten-point loss of IQ instead of obvious birth defects of the limbs, it would probably still be on the market.”

In an article written for Environmental Health News to mark the 50th anniversary of the publication of Silent Spring, the distinguished scientist Paul Ehrlich observes: “Many people have the impression that climate disruption is the worst environmental problem humanity faces, and, indeed, its consequences may be catastrophic. But the spread of toxic chemicals from pole to pole may be the dark horse in the race.”

Ehrlich thinks Rachel Carson would be appalled by our lack of progress in stemming the flow of toxic chemicals into our air, water, food and bodies.

Perhaps it’s too late. Perhaps we’re already too sick and stupid. I hope not.
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For the full story on chemicals and children’s health go to: »www.watershedsentinel.ca/content ... hel-carson. For more details about the EWG Dirty Dozen list go to: »www.watershedsentinel.ca/content ... eally-mean.