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<description><![CDATA[booj posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1498233" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1498233');">A Lurker</a>:</said><p>I'm going to miss my backyard tomatoes.  I've started covering the cherry tomatoes on the patio.  If it stays reasonably mild I've found I can get tomatoes into early November.  Last year I think it was late November, but this year I don't think it will be as good.  I just need to remember to fill the reservoir (they're in one of those pots that holds 5 or 7 L of water in the bottom).<br> </p></div>Good show. Some of mIy tomato plants are still flowering, it's been a great year for them with the hot summer. Accidentally, I did grow of couple of 'supermarket' variety tomato plants, that sprung out of my compost heap. Even fresh off the vine they tasted like cardboard.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[A Lurker posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1095016" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1095016');">urbanriot</a>:</said><p>Hah, I heard a program recently that discussed a new book on tomatoes and it was said that the most popular tomatoes, the tomatoes we find in grocery stores, are mostly based on one strain that received a genetic mutation allowing them to redden by the time they hit stores... and they're one of the worst tasting tomatoes out there; however the best tasting tomatoes don't look as great or last as long on shelves, so regular people think of tomatoes as the 'bad tomatoes'. </p></div>I'm going to miss my backyard tomatoes.  I've started covering the cherry tomatoes on the patio.  If it stays reasonably mild I've found I can get tomatoes into early November.  Last year I think it was late November, but this year I don't think it will be as good.  I just need to remember to fill the reservoir (they're in one of those pots that holds 5 or 7 L of water in the bottom).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[urbanriot posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/646423" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=646423');">Ian</a>:</said><p>It's also a gross over-simplification. <br> </p></div>Agreed, that was my point in relaying that his post seemed grossly exaggerated to one side. <br><br>It's good that this person's book motivated people to use their brains but it's bad that it may have increased the death toll of malaria in areas that have such issues. Fortunately technology is catching up with alternative ways of fighting malaria than blanket  DDT spraying. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Ian posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1095016" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1095016');">urbanriot</a>:</said><p>A wikipedia article on DDT states the book "questioned the logic of releasing large amounts of chemicals into the environment without fully understanding their effects on ecology or human health". That seems ridiculously sensible and intelligent. <br> </p></div>It's also a gross over-simplification. Not uncommon to Wikipedia.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://reason.com/archives/2002/06/12/silent-spring-at-40" >reason.com/archives/2002/06/12/s&middot;&middot;&middot;ng-at-40</A><br><small>--<br>“Any claim that the root of a problem is simple should be treated the same as a claim that the root of a problem is Bigfoot.  Simplicity and Bigfoot are found in the real world with about the same frequency.” – David Wong</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[urbanriot posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/510249" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=510249');">Guspaz</a>:</said><p> The book has also been credited with being one of the catalysts of the modern environmental movement that inspired various terrorist groups like Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd.<br> </p></div>Hmm I read that similarly as I'd read the Christian bible has been credited with the deaths of millions of men, women and children and Islam is responsible for terrorism. Or in other words, refer to the fringe elements to discredit something that could be good. <br><br>A wikipedia article on DDT states the book "questioned the logic of releasing large amounts of chemicals into the environment without fully understanding their effects on ecology or human health". That seems ridiculously sensible and intelligent. <br><br>I also read, "the US ban on DDT is cited by scientists as a major factor in the comeback of the bald eagle, the national bird of the United States, from near-extinction in the contiguous US." <br><br>As an objective reader who's never heard of this book, it's almost as if <I>you</I> are engaging in hysteria as your posts seem very exaggerated and one-sided.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Guspaz posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1095016" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1095016');">urbanriot</a>:</said><p>I'd never read this book, or heard of it... how did she cost millions of people their lives? <br> </p></div>It started a mass hysteria about DDT which lead to its effective banning, to the extent where governments attached "anti-DDT" provisions to foreign aid packages that forced less developed countries to stop spraying DDT. Since DDT had been responsible for dramatically reducing Malaria rates, stopping the spraying has lead to the rates increasing once again, now something like double they were before it started increasing again. The better part of a million people die from Malaria each year. The book has also been credited with being one of the catalysts of the modern environmental movement that inspired various terrorist groups like Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd.<br><br>Is the book directly responsible for these things? No, but it was one of the primary contributing factors.<br><small>--<br>Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc &raquo;<A HREF="http://fixppp.org" >fixppp.org</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Thane_Bitter posted : They do taste awful.<br><br>I have notices lately the much of the out-of-season (imported fruit) never ripens correctly, it rots from the inside out before its ripe, and yes they also taste bad as well.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[urbanriot posted : Hah, I heard a program recently that discussed a new book on tomatoes and it was said that the most popular tomatoes, the tomatoes we find in grocery stores, are mostly based on one strain that received a genetic mutation allowing them to redden by the time they hit stores... and they're one of the worst tasting tomatoes out there; however the best tasting tomatoes don't look as great or last as long on shelves, so regular people think of tomatoes as the 'bad tomatoes'.<br><br>CBC article with more depth here - &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2012/06/28/sci-tomato-taste.html" >www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story&middot;&middot;&middot;ste.html</A><br><br>I think NPR reviewed the aforementioned book I'm referring to, called Tomatoland, "<B>How Industrial Farming 'Destroyed' The Tasty Tomato</B>" - &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.npr.org/2011/06/28/137371975/how-industrial-farming-destroyed-the-tasty-tomato" >www.npr.org/2011/06/28/137371975&middot;&middot;&middot;y-tomato</A><br><br>I'm starting to sound like yoyo :/]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[yoyomhz posted : there is an extremely easy way to know if one tomato is more nutritious than another tomato.<br><br>If both tomatos look perfect on the outside, but one of those tomatos will sit on your table for seven days without any rotting, without going bad at all, and if another tomato will immedaitely start to deteriorate, the first one has good internal quality, and it's more nutritious. That's how you know. Too much chemical fertilizer = less nutritious. Poor internal quality and sprayed with fungicide to make it look good on the outside = less nutritious. <br><br>Another way (for fruit) is by taste. Fruit picked green is less nutritious. Fruit picked over ripe is less nutritious. Fruit loses nutrition eveyr day it sits around, so fruit that was picked yesterday is more nutritious. and, fruit that tastes better is more nutritious. I've tasted organic oranges, picked at the perfect time, that were so good, I ate five of them without stopping. I've also bought giant sized commercially grown oranges that looked good on the outside and had no taste whatsoever. Those are not nutritious.<br><br>So if you have found the food you've bought at farmers markets, organic, to be good tasting - great, it's nutritious. Every time you buy something that tastes like crap, like cheap hybrid seedless watermelons, you know it's not very nutritious. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[urbanriot posted : Yea, I heard a program on NPR recently discussing various studies by the United States government to determine how various chemicals, such as cancer causing chemicals, are entering the bodies of regular people that do not interact with obvious cancer causing materials.<br><br>Yesterday I'd heard another study the US government is engaged in that's following 1200 girls to determine patterns such as ethnicity, income levels, geography, diet, etc., and if there may be a pattern influencing higher levels of something that causes breast cancer, and they're not exactly sure where it comes from. <br><br>This topic's study referred to 'nutrition' in organic food yet people erroneously used the term 'healthier'. Even the title of this thread asks if the foods are 'the same'... <br><br>No one in this thread has indicated that they're more of an authority on the subject than those with high level degrees that have said that these additional chemicals are 'bad for you', 'good for you', 'probably okay', or 'we don't know the effects', so I'm pretty much defaulting to my original opinion that it's logical to assume that less of something bad is good for me. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[yoyomhz posted : the book by rachel Carson was no big deal. <br><br>In 1996 another ground-breaking book was published. Our Stolen Future by Theo Colborn and Peter Myers details the wealth of scientific research highlighting the ability of many supposedly safe manmade chemicals (including still widely used pesticides) to mimic hormones and &#150; in parts per billion &#150; interfere with immune system, cognitive and reproductive development.<br><br>Put simply, there is every reason to believe that chemicals in our environment are making us sick, stupid and sterile.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[urbanriot posted : I'd never read this book, or heard of it... how did she cost millions of people their lives? ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Guspaz posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/771014" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=771014');">yoyomhz</a>:</said><p>In September 1962 &#150; 50 years ago this month &#150; a book was published which changed the way we looked at the post-World War Two chemical revolution. Rachel Carson&#146;s Silent Spring &#150; a clarion call about the perils of pesticides &#150; is largely credited with launching the modern day environmental movement. [...] Ehrlich thinks Rachel Carson would be appalled by our lack of progress in stemming the flow of toxic chemicals into our air, water, food and bodies.</p></div>The book, which has been largely debunked, is also credited with starting a mass hysteria that has cost millions of people their lives, and cost governments and corporations billions of dollars investigating imaginary threats that never materialized. It has been included on lists of the most harmful books in the past two centuries. I would hope that if Rachel Carson were alive today, she would be appalled not by our "lack of progress", but the enormous suffering her misguided book has caused.<br><small>--<br>Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc &raquo;<A HREF="http://fixppp.org" >fixppp.org</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[milnoc posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/961620" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=961620');">IamGimli</a>:</said><p>It is a sure sign of the decline of our civilization when PR alone is able to convince people to pay more for lower quality food, and feel superior for it. <br> </p></div>Same thing happens with cars.<br><br>"I have a Prius!" :D<br><small>--<br>Watch my future television channel's public test broadcast!<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://thecanadianpublic.com/live" >thecanadianpublic.com/live</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[urbanriot posted : Since this topic involved opinions, rather than facts, I figured I'd post this opinion from the New York Times I wandered across today:<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>In fact, the Stanford study &#151; actually a meta-study, an analysis of more than 200 existing studies &#151; does say that "consumption of organic foods may reduce exposure to pesticide residues and antibiotic-resistant bacteria."<br><br>[...]<br><br><B>How can something that reduces your exposure to pesticides and antibiotic-resistant bacteria not be &#147;more nutritious&#148; than food that doesn't?</B><br><br>[...] the study narrowly defines &#147;nutritious&#148; as containing more vitamins. Dr. Dena Bravata, the study&#146;s senior author, conceded that there are other reasons why people opt for organic (the aforementioned pesticides and bacteria chief among them) but said that if the decision between buying organic or conventional food were based on nutrients, &#147;there is not robust evidence to choose one or the other.&#148; By which standard you can claim that, based on nutrients, Frosted Flakes are a better choice than an apple.<br><br>But they&#146;re not. And overlooking these key factors allows the authors to imply that there isn&#146;t &#147;robust&#148; evidence to choose organic food over conventional. (Which for many people there is.) Under the convenient cover of helping consumers make informed choices, the study constructed a set of criteria that would easily allow them to cut &#147;organic&#148; down to size.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>He then goes on to link the media spinning this out of control and the effects of this 'study'. After that, he links to another Standford study that lauds organic farming and criticizes the aforementioned anti-organic study for ignoring the adverse effects to those working in the fruit picking industry. <br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>That the authors of the study chose to focus on a trivial aspect of the organic versus conventional comparison is regrettable. That they published a study that would so obviously be construed as a blanket knock against organic agriculture is willfully misleading and dangerous. That so many leading news agencies fall for this stuff is scary.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/02/that-flawed-stanford-study/" >opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/20&middot;&middot;&middot;d-study/</A><br><br>I suppose it's one man's opinion against another person's opinion. At the end of the day, whatever gives us peace of mind. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Wolfie00 posted : TIME magazine offers a more balanced view of the Stanford study than the one-sided op-ed in the National Post:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://healthland.time.com/2012/09/04/is-organic-food-more-nutritious-and-healthier-than-conventional-varieties/" >healthland.time.com/2012/09/04/i&middot;&middot;&middot;rieties/</A><br><br>The bottom line seems to be that there are reasons to believe that organic products may sometimes be better for you, but it's a lot harder to prove it in a statistically significant way.   Not surprising, since the whole business of demonstrating health effects is a very lengthy and complex process fraught with pitfalls, as any drug company can tell you.   That doesn't mean health effects can be dismissed as non-existent, either positive or negative ones.<br><br>On the positive side, for instance:<br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>The researchers did find, however, that organic milk and chicken contained higher levels of omega-3 fatty acids, a healthy fat also found in fish that can reduce the risk of heart disease. Organic produce also contained more total phenols than conventional varieties; phenols include flavonoids that work as antioxidants to fight genetic damage that can lead to cancer and even some neurological disorders like Parkinson&#146;s. But these nutritional differences were small, and the researchers were reluctant to make much of them until further studies confirm the trends.<br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>On the negative side of eating conventional produce subject to pesticides, artificial hormones or other contaminants, one concern is the difficulty of knowing what the "safe" level of any contaminant is.  We establish levels as best we can, but it's very difficult to know what the long-term cumulative effects are.   We know that incidents of various types of cancer are on the rise, but we don't usually know the root cause.   Things like tobacco, or lead in gasoline, were once never considered dangerous at all.  Now we know better.<br><br>There is a huge difference between not being able to prove that something is true and proving that it is false.  Quoting from the article again, for instance:<br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Some of the studies found that children eating organic produce had lower levels of pesticide residue in their urine than those consuming conventional produce, but the numbers were too small to draw any general conclusions.<br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Personally, I don't obsess about organics and only buy it when it seems worthwhile in terms of obviously superior quality.<br><small>--<br>"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." <br>&#8213; Daniel Patrick Moynihan</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mashiki posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1350735" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1350735');">Warez_Zealot</a>:</said><p>Whoever was involved editing then posting those pictures should be fired on the spot IMO.<br> </p></div>Warez_Zealot, you lived in Japan if I remember right.  You should be used to the rabid China propaganda and photo manipulation that regularly got blasted from the mainland.  The several times I was there I was surprised, more so at the number of people that fell for it the first few times in Japan.  Those were stock taken right from the Chinese press.<br><br>Oh they'll most likely be fired.  Considering it came from a government sponsored daily press though?  You can already guess who's going to come knocking though.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[A Lurker posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/350435" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=350435');">DKS</a>:</said><p>Their Line of Credit is an obvious rip off. So is their web site, with no prices listed. And they ask you to give up your SIN for a credit check. Obvious traps. But I haven't seen an MDG ad in print or on TV for years.   </p></div>I'd dealt with them in the past, but not for many years.  They used to post prices on the website.  When I bought my first computer from them (over 15 years ago) they were one of the few low cost options around.  I've never done anything but pay cash there.  Last laptop I bought they simply weren't the lowest option.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[yoyomhz posted : <b>Reason # 37 Why Pesticides Bad</b><br><br>Sick, stupid and sterile<br>by Miranda Holmes » Sep 6th, 2012, 12:46 pm <br><br>In September 1962 &#150; 50 years ago this month &#150; a book was published which changed the way we looked at the post-World War Two chemical revolution. Rachel Carson&#146;s Silent Spring &#150; a clarion call about the perils of pesticides &#150; is largely credited with launching the modern day environmental movement. <br><br>Soon after its publication, the indiscriminate spraying of DDT on farm fields and suburbs in the US ended, followed in 1972 by an outright ban on its manufacture and use. Forty years later, DDT&#146;s metabolite DDE can be found in the bodies of 95% of Americans. <br><br>These chemicals persist. <br><br>Rachel Carson wrote about the damage pesticides could do to humans and wildlife in doses as small as one part per million.<br><br>In 1996 another ground-breaking book was published. Our Stolen Future by Theo Colborn and Peter Myers details the wealth of scientific research highlighting the ability of many supposedly safe manmade chemicals (including still widely used pesticides) to mimic hormones and &#150; in parts per billion &#150; interfere with immune system, cognitive and reproductive development. <br><br>Put simply, there is every reason to believe that chemicals in our environment are making us sick, stupid and sterile. <br><br>Earlier this year, the Environmental Working Group (EWG) released its annual guide to pesticide residues on domestic and imported produce. The guide highlights the worst of the worst, the dirty dozen fruits and vegetables which shoppers should replace with organic produce wherever possible. <br><br>Think all you have to do is wash and peel your fruit and vegetables before you eat them? Guess again. The majority of studies on which the EWG guide is based involved testing samples after they had been washed or peeled. <br><br>Most alarming were the number of samples contaminated with organophosphate (OP) insecticides. <br><br>A study by Stephen Rauch of BC Children&#146;s Hospital has linked prenatal exposure to these known neurotoxins with lower birth weight and shorter gestation. Rauch notes that these pregnancies began after OPs were restricted for most uses. He also flags other studies linking prenatal exposure to OP insecticides with abnormal reflexes and reduced cognitive abilities.<br><br>In a worrying article in the current issue of Watershed Sentinel, children&#146;s health expert Bruce Lanphear highlights the research linking exposure to environmental contaminants with increasingly common childhood illnesses and disabilities. <br><br>For example, OP insecticides have been strongly linked with dramatic increases in attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), while the marine anti-fouling chemical tributyltin has been identified as an &#147;obesogen&#148; which can mimic the hormones involved in the development of obesity. <br><br>One of the several quotes from Rachel Carson which Lanphear uses in his article is the following: &#147;Thalidomide and pesticides represent our willingness to rush ahead and use something new without knowing what the results are going to be.&#148; Lanphear points out that the substantial and lifelong implications for children of exposure to environmental chemicals are subtle and often unlikely to be recognised. <br><br>In the month when the manufacturer of thalidomide finally issued an apology for the damage caused by its drug, Lanphear quotes environmental health expert David Rall, who once remarked: &#147;If tha¬lidomide had caused a ten-point loss of IQ instead of obvious birth defects of the limbs, it would probably still be on the market.&#148; <br><br>In an article written for Environmental Health News to mark the 50th anniversary of the publication of Silent Spring, the distinguished scientist Paul Ehrlich observes: &#147;Many people have the impression that climate disruption is the worst environmental problem humanity faces, and, indeed, its consequences may be catastrophic. But the spread of toxic chemicals from pole to pole may be the dark horse in the race.&#148;<br><br>Ehrlich thinks Rachel Carson would be appalled by our lack of progress in stemming the flow of toxic chemicals into our air, water, food and bodies. <br><br>Perhaps it&#146;s too late. Perhaps we&#146;re already too sick and stupid. I hope not.<br>___________________________________________________________________________________________________<br><br>For the full story on chemicals and children&#146;s health go to: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.watershedsentinel.ca/content" >www.watershedsentinel.ca/content</A> ... hel-carson. For more details about the EWG Dirty Dozen list go to: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.watershedsentinel.ca/content" >www.watershedsentinel.ca/content</A> ... eally-mean.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[yoyomhz posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1350735" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1350735');">Warez_Zealot</a>:</said><p>.... and washed them with tap water and lightly scrubbed them with my hands before cutting them up and eating them.  Is that good enough?<br> </p></div>A friend of mine was told, by someone who works for the government testing for pesticides - If You Don't Wash Your Produce EVERY TIME - YOU ARE DUMB.<br><br><i> Fungicides historically used for strawberry disease control in Florida include azoxystrobin, boscalid, captan, fenhexamid, myclobutanil, potassium bicarbonate, pyraclostrobin, thiophanate, and thiram . Other fungicides actively registered in Florida in 2010 include Bacillus pumilus, Bacillus subtilis, carbonic acid, copper (in hydroxide, sulfate, oxychloride, and octanoate forms), cyprodinil, dodine, fludioxonil, fosetyl-Al, Gliocladium virens, hydrogen dioxide, iprodione, mefenoxam, phosphoric acid, polyoxin D, propiconazole, Pseudomonas fluorescens, pyrimethanil, quinoxyfen, Reynoutria sachalinensis extract, Streptomyces lydicus, sulfur, Trichoderma harzianum, trifloxystrobin, and triflumizole (11</i><br><br>All those different fungicides for Florida strawberries. No wonder strawberries are #3 on the dirty dozen list. <b>Some of the fungicides are systemic, which means it goes inside the fruit and can't be washed off. </b>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[CanadianRip posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1095016" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1095016');">urbanriot</a>:</said><p>Sometimes I think CanadianRip is off his rocker... sometimes I think he might be on to something...  </p></div>You'll be a far happier person if you continue to believe I am in fact off my rocker.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[CanadianRip posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/350435" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=350435');">DKS</a>:</said><p>A quick search brought up all kinds of legal actions like this &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.servicealberta.gov.ab.ca/pdf/directors-orders/MDG.pdf" >www.servicealberta.gov.ab.ca/pdf&middot;&middot;&middot;/MDG.pdf</A>  against MDG. That's doesn't mean that the media are ignoring him or that they are influenced by advertisers. Just that MDG is a company I would not do business with. <i>Caveat Emptor</i>. <br> </p></div>According to you?   Sorry, I have first hand information from someone who actually been responsible for managing their Public Relations.   They are currently under my employment.<br>MDG did threaten to pull advertising in retaliation to harmful articles.   <br><br>I really don't give a crap about exposing this either, because they're a nobody company with insufficient resources to try to drag anyone into libel action.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Warez_Zealot posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/350435" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=350435');">DKS</a>:</said><p>And given that there is something called journalist ethics, the suggestion that there is a crossover (Sun Media excepted) is exaggerated. <br> </p></div>These "journalistic" idiots were too stupid to PhotoShop their pictures correctly. That report borderlines on outright lying and propaganda.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2199800/The-river-DID-run-red-Residents-Chinese-city-left-baffled-Yangtze-turns-scarlet.html#ixzz25u00nD4M" >www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article&middot;&middot;&middot;5u00nD4M</A><br><br>I don't believe any media outlets unless their claims can be substantiated by reliable sources. It's usually pretty hard to do given the amount of plagiarism and lazy reporting going on these days.<br><br>Whoever was involved editing then posting those pictures should be fired on the spot IMO.<br><small>--<br>"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it."-Malcolm X<br><br></small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27505338?c=2031867&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzQ5NjY2OS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="160053 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=352 SRC="/r0/download/2031867.thumb600~75a049d998add0115b572b675f2b452a/article-2199800-14E2A79F000005DC-361_964x567.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DKS posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1388405" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1388405');">elwoodblues</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/350435" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=350435');">DKS</a>:</said><p>The practice of removing the printer cartridge is an extension of the printer manufacturer's practice of putting partial cartridges in new printers so that you print a few pages and then have to buy a new one... which you don't discover until too late. <br> </p></div>Uhm no.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.moneyville.ca/article/1243072--new-printers-may-not-have-full-tank-of-inknew-printers-may-not-have-full-tank-of-ink" >www.moneyville.ca/article/124307&middot;&middot;&middot;k-of-ink</A><br> </p></div>Yes, I read that article recently. Both are rip-off practices. <br><small>--<br>Need-based health care not greed-based health care.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DKS posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1095016" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1095016');">urbanriot</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/350435" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=350435');">DKS</a>:</said><p>The practice of removing the printer cartridge is an extension of the printer manufacturer's practice of putting partial cartridges in new printers so that you print a few pages and then have to buy a new one... which you don't discover until too late. <br> </p></div>A partial ink cartridge can give a casual user half a year of printing, while removing the cartridge renders the device inoperable. I wouldn't call that an extension, as they advertised a free item that people expected to function until they plugged it all in and discovered they need to spend money to restore its operation. <br> </p></div>If you can get 6 months of use out of those partial cartridges, you must not print much...<br><small>--<br>Need-based health care not greed-based health care.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Warez_Zealot posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/771014" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=771014');">yoyomhz</a>:</said><p> [att=1] <br> </p></div>Quick question for you.  How hard is it to wash off pesticides?  I bought some 50% strawberies yesterday to eat for lunch.  I tossed them in a strainer, and washed them with tap water and lightly scrubbed them with my hands before cutting them up and eating them.  Is that good enough?<br><br>PS, I'm gonna check out that book on the dangers of pesticides, seems like it will be an interesting read. :)<br><small>--<br>"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it."-Malcolm X<br><br><br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[urbanriot posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/350435" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=350435');">DKS</a>:</said><p>The practice of removing the printer cartridge is an extension of the printer manufacturer's practice of putting partial cartridges in new printers so that you print a few pages and then have to buy a new one... which you don't discover until too late. <br> </p></div>A partial ink cartridge can give a casual user half a year of printing, while removing the cartridge renders the device inoperable. I wouldn't call that an extension, as they advertised a free item that people expected to function until they plugged it all in and discovered they need to spend money to restore its operation. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mashiki posted : Not directed at you elwood.<br><br>While this is off topic to the thread at hand, just stop buying inkjet printers, spend the extra $50-70, and buy a decent colour laserjet and never look back.  I'm still on the "starter toner" kit from over a year ago which was only supposed to last for 2500 sheets of black and around the same for colour.  I've printed nearly 6000 sheets of black, and have 30% of the toner left and 40% of the colour.  There's plenty of good models out there.<br><br>Hell, I know a few people who are still on the starter kits from 3-4 years ago on their colour laser printers.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[elwoodblues posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/350435" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=350435');">DKS</a>:</said><p>The practice of removing the printer cartridge is an extension of the printer manufacturer's practice of putting partial cartridges in new printers so that you print a few pages and then have to buy a new one... which you don't discover until too late. <br> </p></div>Uhm no.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.moneyville.ca/article/1243072--new-printers-may-not-have-full-tank-of-inknew-printers-may-not-have-full-tank-of-ink" >www.moneyville.ca/article/124307&middot;&middot;&middot;k-of-ink</A><br><small>--<br><b>No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake....... </b></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DKS posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1095016" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1095016');">urbanriot</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/350435" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=350435');">DKS</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1095016" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1095016');">urbanriot</a>:</said><p>I'm familiar with MDG's extremely unethical business practices, right down to criminal acts, and I've always wondered how they were never called on their shit. <br> </p></div>Did you ever complain?  </p></div>Not through social or organizational methods, but more through legal channels. They did change one practice shortly thereafter but we're not sure if that was a natural change or prompted by action. <br><br>Some of their actions though, difficult to voice a complaint. They did one shady deal where you buy a PC and you get a free printer!  ...unfortunately they removed the colour ink cartridges, which the printer wouldn't function without. If you wanted the 'colour option' you'd have to pay $35 or something like that. <br><br>I'm not sure if such in-store deals represented company policy but they had a reputation amongst IT people 'round these parts and we all continually wondered how their reputation wasn't known to the general public. How are these guys still in business? <br><br>Sometimes I think CanadianRip is off his rocker... sometimes I think he might be on to something... <br> </p></div>The practice of removing the printer cartridge is an extension of the printer manufacturer's practice of putting partial cartridges in new printers so that you print a few pages and then have to buy a new one... which you don't discover until too late. <br><small>--<br>Need-based health care not greed-based health care.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[urbanriot posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/350435" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=350435');">DKS</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1095016" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1095016');">urbanriot</a>:</said><p>I'm familiar with MDG's extremely unethical business practices, right down to criminal acts, and I've always wondered how they were never called on their shit. <br> </p></div>Did you ever complain?  </p></div>Not through social or organizational methods, but more through legal channels. They did change one practice shortly thereafter but we're not sure if that was a natural change or prompted by action. <br><br>Some of their actions though, difficult to voice a complaint. They did one shady deal where you buy a PC and you get a free printer!  ...unfortunately they removed the colour ink cartridges, which the printer wouldn't function without. If you wanted the 'colour option' you'd have to pay $35 or something like that. <br><br>I'm not sure if such in-store deals represented company policy but they had a reputation amongst IT people 'round these parts and we all continually wondered how their reputation wasn't known to the general public. How are these guys still in business? <br><br>Sometimes I think CanadianRip is off his rocker... sometimes I think he might be on to something... ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DKS posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1659027" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1659027');">CanadianRip</a>:</said><p>In fact MDG managed to get their PR machine to write up a full page editorial on Goran Varaklic the CEO as some kind of brilliant business person.<br><br> </p></div>A quick search brought up all kinds of legal actions like this &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.servicealberta.gov.ab.ca/pdf/directors-orders/MDG.pdf" >www.servicealberta.gov.ab.ca/pdf&middot;&middot;&middot;/MDG.pdf</A>  against MDG. That's doesn't mean that the media are ignoring him or that they are influenced by advertisers. Just that MDG is a company I would not do business with. <i>Caveat Emptor</i>. <br><small>--<br>Need-based health care not greed-based health care.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DKS posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1095016" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1095016');">urbanriot</a>:</said><p>I'm familiar with MDG's extremely unethical business practices, right down to criminal acts, and I've always wondered how they were never called on their shit. <br> </p></div>Did you ever complain? Write to Goldhawk? Marketplace? Ellen Roseman (to name a few)? <br><small>--<br>Need-based health care not greed-based health care.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DKS posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by Thats right :</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1388405" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1388405');">elwoodblues</a>:</said><p>That might be in community TV, not in commercial TV, I've spent enough time in it to know exactly  how the system works.<br> </p></div>That's right. Happened enough times in the states.  but guess he knows all.</p></div>The US isn't Canada. <br><br><div class="bquote"><p>Also happened to Myth Busters and their RFID show 3-4 years ago that never aired. Discovery backed down and cancelled the airing of that show because the advertisers got all fired up about it<br><br>Money and advertisers pull the strings.<br><br>Quite a few examples of this that occurred.<br> </p></div>You have quoted one example from the US. How about a proved Canadian example? <br><small>--<br>Need-based health care not greed-based health care.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DKS posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1659027" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1659027');">CanadianRip</a>:</said><p>Want one example - dig up one major scathing article about MDG Computers exposing their unethical business practices in a major news publication where they advertised major full page spreads frequently.</p></div>MDG is still in business? <A HREF="http://www.mdg.ca/finance/Default.aspx?PID=&ADClickID=" > Looks like they have expanded into furniture</A>. They have a grand total of ten stores in Canada!  Their Line of Credit is an obvious rip off. So is their web site, with no prices listed. And they ask you to give up your SIN for a credit check. Obvious traps. But I haven't seen an MDG ad in print or on TV for years.   <br><small>--<br>Need-based health care not greed-based health care.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[CanadianRip posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1095016" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1095016');">urbanriot</a>:</said><p>Wow, it's funny you bring that up... I'm the only person outside of a group of people I'm friends with thats ever echoed that question. <br><br>I'm familiar with MDG's extremely unethical business practices, right down to criminal acts, and I've always wondered how they were never called on their shit. <br> </p></div>I need to walk a fine line in what I say, but I will say this:   There are a few ticked off journalists out there that tried to publish for their respective publications and where not allowed.   <br><br>In fact MDG managed to get their PR machine to write up a full page editorial on Goran Varaklic the CEO as some kind of brilliant business person.<br><br>If a smaller company like that can manage their PR in that manner, then imagine what Kraft,  General Mills, PepsiCo, and Nestle can do to combat a growing organic movement that  directly threatens their entire business model with some spend?<br><br>You think they can squeeze out a bad report or two?   Nah... we can fully trust all our for profit media companies 100%!   How you can read that last sentence and not understand how idiotic it sounds is baffling.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[urbanriot posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1659027" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1659027');">CanadianRip</a>:</said><p>A company with a history of screwing over people for over a decade, and not one person manages to blow the whistle? I wonder why that is...<br> </p></div>Wow, it's funny you bring that up... I'm the only person outside of a group of people I'm friends with thats ever echoed that question. <br><br>I'm familiar with MDG's extremely unethical business practices, right down to criminal acts, and I've always wondered how they were never called on their shit. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:42:10 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[yoyomhz posted : <p><div style='z-index:0; text-align:center;display:block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value="http://www.youtube.com/v/tZtiyAPUCkM"><param name=wmode value="transparent"><embed wmode="transparent" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/tZtiyAPUCkM" type='application/x-shockwave-flash' width='425' height='350' allowscriptaccess='samedomain'></embed></object></div></p><center> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZtiyAPUCkM&feature=g-vrec" >www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZtiyAPU&middot;&middot;&middot;e=g-vrec</A></center><br><br>one more reason organic is better - it's not genetically modified]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:33:55 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[DKS posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1603760" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1603760');">Xstar_Lumini</a>:</said><p>I couldn't find anything on Google about the payment to W5 by Mosanto but I found this:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ctvnews.ca/scc-ruling-means-end-of-the-road-for-monsanto-suit-1.267426" >www.ctvnews.ca/scc-ruling-means-&middot;&middot;&middot;1.267426</A><br><br>(CTV network virtually cheering a Mosanto court victory over impoverished small farmers, what a coincidence that CTV is the only network in Toronto reporting this victory)<br> </p></div>If you google "monsanto organic" there is considerable media interest in the subject. <br><small>--<br>Need-based health care not greed-based health care.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 20:42:16 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[DKS posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1603760" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1603760');">Xstar_Lumini</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/350435" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=350435');">DKS</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1603760" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1603760');">Xstar_Lumini</a>:</said><p>Lol at you guys been swindled.  The corporation that PAID the TV series W5 to investigate and put down the organic small farmers was Dosanto corp the world' biggest genetically modified grain supplier that is striving to PATENT the world's food supply, they are being sued by brazilian farmers right now.<br> </p></div>Got proof? CTV and W5 don't accept money. <br> </p></div>I heard this about 2 days ago on 640 AM the John Oakley show, he's not going to lie or fabricate this, it's well-known that Mosanto sponsored the investigation and W5 accepted the "help". That's blatant conflict-of-interest if you ask me.<br> </p></div>Just because you heard John Oakley says it doesn't mean it is so. <br><small>--<br>Need-based health care not greed-based health care.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 20:39:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[DKS posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1388405" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1388405');">elwoodblues</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/350435" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=350435');">DKS</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1388405" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1388405');">elwoodblues</a>:</said><p>Technically you are correct,  however they could have bought ad time on the network and fluff disguised as a news piece is created.<br><br>Seen this many times<br> </p></div>Sales and editorial are two separate lines with different executives. The two do not cross. <br> </p></div>That might be in community TV, not in commercial TV, I've spent enough time in it to know exactly  how the system works.<br> </p></div>And given that there is something called journalist ethics, the suggestion that there is a crossover (Sun Media excepted) is exaggerated. <br><small>--<br>Need-based health care not greed-based health care.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 20:38:35 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Xstar_Lumini posted : I couldn't find anything on Google about the payment to W5 by Mosanto but I found this:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ctvnews.ca/scc-ruling-means-end-of-the-road-for-monsanto-suit-1.267426" >www.ctvnews.ca/scc-ruling-means-&middot;&middot;&middot;1.267426</A><br><br>(CTV network virtually cheering a Mosanto court victory over impoverished small farmers, what a coincidence that CTV is the only network in Toronto reporting this victory)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 20:02:06 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : I haven't heard anything about this W5 show and Mosanto. Links? Is the show online? News coverage of the scandal links?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 19:57:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Xstar_Lumini posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/350435" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=350435');">DKS</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1603760" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1603760');">Xstar_Lumini</a>:</said><p>Lol at you guys been swindled.  The corporation that PAID the TV series W5 to investigate and put down the organic small farmers was Dosanto corp the world' biggest genetically modified grain supplier that is striving to PATENT the world's food supply, they are being sued by brazilian farmers right now.<br> </p></div>Got proof? CTV and W5 don't accept money. <br> </p></div>I heard this about 2 days ago on 640 AM the John Oakley show, he's not going to lie or fabricate this, it's well-known that Mosanto sponsored the investigation and W5 accepted the "help". That's blatant conflict-of-interest if you ask me.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 19:51:50 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1388405" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1388405');">elwoodblues</a>:</said><p>That might be in community TV, not in commercial TV, I've spent enough time in it to know exactly  how the system works.<br> </p></div>That's right. Happened enough times in the states.  but guess he knows all.<br><br>Also happened to Myth Busters and their RFID show 3-4 years ago that never aired. Discovery backed down and cancelled the airing of that show because the advertisers got all fired up about it<br><br>Money and advertisers pull the strings.<br><br>Quite a few examples of this that occurred.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 19:26:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[CanadianRip posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/350435" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=350435');">DKS</a>:</said><p>You really don't know how the media works. </p></div>I do - and I can tell you that you're very naive as to how it works.<br><br>Want one example - dig up one major scathing article about MDG Computers exposing their unethical business practices in a major news publication where they advertised major full page spreads frequently.<br><br>Right down to influencing even local papers that distribute through Metroland/other conglomerates.<br><br>A company with a history of screwing over people for over a decade, and not one person manages to blow the whistle? I wonder why that is...]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 19:21:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/646423" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=646423');">Ian</a>:</said><p>Quick question though, when was the last time there was a produce recall in Canada due to excessive pesticides? None that I can remember.<br> </p></div>There was also the Ottawa incident a few years back that was in all the news about strawberries having way too much pesticides. people were ending up in area hospitals with blistering on the lips and tongues and other allergic reactions.<br><br>This was about 6 years ago (+/-).<br><br>It happens...<br><br>Did you not hear of this Ottawa incident? Was on all the news at the time. Alerts were constantly being put out all summer so people would extra wash the berries. Since it wasn't too long ago, is should be findable on google... A quick search didn't show anything. Maybe a google-ninja can find it.<br><br>But that is extreme cases. But does that make lower concentrations just peachy and ok?<br><br>Lower concentrations of fat soluble DDT (and it's metabolites) won't harm you either in the short term. Should we put it on your eggs?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 18:28:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[elwoodblues posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/350435" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=350435');">DKS</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1388405" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1388405');">elwoodblues</a>:</said><p>Technically you are correct,  however they could have bought ad time on the network and fluff disguised as a news piece is created.<br><br>Seen this many times<br> </p></div>Sales and editorial are two separate lines with different executives. The two do not cross. <br> </p></div>That might be in community TV, not in commercial TV, I've spent enough time in it to know exactly  how the system works.<br><small>--<br><b>No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake....... </b></small>]]></description>
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