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sphinxguy18
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join:2008-01-13
Dallas, TX

FiOS & Caps

I'd go back to cable and save my money (paying $95/month for 75/35 - Internet Only) if they impose a cap on the Internet. For almost $100/month and having to worry about caps, I might as well go back to cable, save my money and deal with the annoying, but cheap, internet they offer!

Yes "Cord Cutters" are real! My bill was just about to hit $205/month for TV & Internet Only (Extreme HD - not Ultimate HD) and 50/25 Internet - no home phone, 1 Home Media DVR & 2 HD Boxes, before I "cut the cord" - now I pay $8 bucks a month to watch tv!

I don't mind paying a premium price for the 75/35 - just don't bother me with caps and/or worries that I will hit a cap of some sort.

Os

join:2011-01-26
US
Reviews:
·Comcast
Especially in your case where TWC is uncapped, and has expressed a more positive tone to keeping unlimited alive than VZ has.

What will be most entertaining is how VZ defends a cap on the basis of the network's capacity. If they somehow try it's to keep the network free of congestion, then they lose one of their key marketing provisions from cable.

If fiber can be congested too (It can't, but VZ would put this myth out there), why would people pay more for it when it's still capped?

It's almost like Comcast's marketing team would come up with this one.

sphinxguy18
Premium
join:2008-01-13
Dallas, TX
I agree 100%!


djrobx
Premium
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·VOIPO

1 recommendation

reply to Os
said by Os:

If fiber can be congested too (It can't, but VZ would put this myth out there), why would people pay more for it when it's still capped?

Of course fiber can be congested. Just as cable has their transmission mechanisms, FiOS is using transmission technologies with specific limits (BPON and GPON).

»Verizon Online FiOS FAQ »What is BPON or GPON?

People on the older BPON system don't have FiOS' highest speed tiers available to them.

»forums.verizon.com/t5/FiOS-Inter···p/402055

Fiber is more future proof, but in both cable and FiOS' case, these limits can be readily increased through the use of new technology that takes better advantage of the medium (FiOS: GPON, Cable: DOCSIS 3). DSL's twisted pair wires seem to be the only broadband tech that's really hitting a wall in terms of upgradeability.

You could have AT&T's FTTH and be limited to speeds slower than copper customers!
--
AT&T U-Hearse - RIP Unlimited Internet 1995-2011
Rethink Billable.

sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1

1 recommendation

Cable DOCSIS 3 shares 100-200 mbits between hundreds of customers. BPON shares 640 mbits between at most 32 customers. GPON ups that to 2.4 gbits between 32, and is now the standard. XGPON ups that to 10 gbits and will be the standard in a few years.

There's no comparison between cable and fiber, especially on the upload side.

Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA

1 recommendation

said by sonicmerlin:

Cable DOCSIS 3 shares 100-200 mbits between hundreds of customers. BPON shares 640 mbits between at most 32 customers. GPON ups that to 2.4 gbits between 32, and is now the standard. XGPON ups that to 10 gbits and will be the standard in a few years.

XGPON equipment (in the form of 10GPON1 that is practically 8 Gbps down, 2 Gbps up and compatible with existing GPON) may be commercially available as early as sometime next year. Don't know what Verizon's plans are but what is really cool is that 10GPON1 (uses it own two compatible wavelengths) and GPON will be able to be offered in the same neighborhood at the same time.

majortom1029

join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
kudos:1

1 recommendation

reply to sonicmerlin
You do realize that you are still shared at one point in their network. it might be closer to their office but eventually it gets shared. ALSO if 23 of those people have 100 megabits or higher service or everybody has 75 and all use the connection at the same time it can get congested also.

Also docsis 3 is MUCH cheaper to deploy. Thats the reason why verizon stopped the fios rollout. they just cant compete on price. who needs speeds past 100 down? I have a 100/100 copnenction at work and most sites do not serve me at that speed.
Also look on the net they are working at 10 gig/10gig for cablenetworks also on coax.

Coax is not the bottleneck its how docsis is configured thats the problem. if you got rid of the docsis configuration and used it as one big connection you will find its much much faster then you think.


danclan

join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA

1 recommendation

said by majortom1029:

You do realize that you are still shared at one point in their network. it might be closer to their office but eventually it gets shared. ALSO if 23 of those people have 100 megabits or higher service or everybody has 75 and all use the connection at the same time it can get congested also.

Also docsis 3 is MUCH cheaper to deploy. Thats the reason why verizon stopped the fios rollout. they just cant compete on price. who needs speeds past 100 down? I have a 100/100 copnenction at work and most sites do not serve me at that speed.
Also look on the net they are working at 10 gig/10gig for cablenetworks also on coax.

Coax is not the bottleneck its how docsis is configured thats the problem. if you got rid of the docsis configuration and used it as one big connection you will find its much much faster then you think.

DOCSIS isn't really cheaper it costs bandwidth among other things as well as all now docsis equipment at the end users home as well as cable office. Coax is limited even without docsis it has its limitations.

FiOS didn't stop rolling it out cause cable is cheaper that makes no sense.

Fiber plant is by far cheaper over the long run than any copper cable plant to run. It takes less people, power, fewer lines and even less hardware to manage a fiber plant that a copper one. It suffers from 0 interference and degradation over time and its arguably far cheaper to upgrade with virtually 0 limitations on speed and opportunities for future services.

The sharing on a fiber plant happens when you hit the back haul line when your shared gige line connects to a massive multi gig pipe(10, 40 or 100)....there will be little to no interference ever on a fiber plant compared to a similar copper one.

tanzam75

join:2012-07-19
said by danclan:

FiOS didn't stop rolling it out cause cable is cheaper that makes no sense.

Sure it does.

It costs Verizon more money to build a new fiber plant, than it costs the cable companies to maintain an existing coax plant that has already been paid for.

That is why the cable companies can beat FiOS in pricing. They may not be able to match them in speed, but most people are unwilling to pay the premium cost for the additional speed.