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StuartMW
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FBI begins installation of $1 bil face recognition system

Name Game See Profile posted about this already but it may have been missed... I think it deserves its own thread.

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Birthmarks, be damned: the FBI has officially started rolling out a state-of-the-art face recognition project that will assist in their effort to accumulate and archive information about each and every American at a cost of a billion dollars.

»rt.com/usa/news/fbi-recognition-···ngi-640/

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Good write up at this link that give more details..even though they have a silly video..

ht tp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYnECMSXcM8



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Well I guess the plus side is that when I go to the DMV to renew my drivers license/photo in 4 years they'll already have a pic.

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Well I guess the plus side is that when I go to the DMV to renew my drivers license/photo in 4 years they'll already have a pic.
With age enhancement as well.
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Spin it as a money saver!



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said by Juggernaut:

Spin it as a money saver!

And think of it as another stimulus plan, this one for the technology industry...
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On the bright side, 75% of the TSA might be able to be laid off.
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said by Juggernaut:

On the bright side, 75% of the TSA might be able to be laid off.

Naah... they'll just transfer them all to assignments in Amish country where there's no electricity or cameras. After all, somebody has to guard against buggy hijacking else the terrorists might drive them into the side of a barn.
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said by Blackbird:

...they'll just transfer them all to assignments in Amish country...

Teen arrested after high-speed horse and buggy chase.
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OT: I thought from the title that there was going to be some interesting connection between one-dollar-bill recognition systems (like in vending machines) and facial-recognition technology.



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said by StuartMW:

said by Blackbird:

...they'll just transfer them all to assignments in Amish country...

Teen arrested after high-speed horse and buggy chase.

That just proves the need... the perp obviously would have failed to "freeze" upon command, he'd have likely failed the swab-over-drink test as well, and the pat-down would probably have turned up a lot of suspicious straight pins. It's only by good fortune he wrecked before making it all the way into the side of a barn. And the article makes it clear the local police (untrained as they were) never got around to interrogating the horse as a potential co-conspirator. This is obviously a job for the real pros: TSA personnel.
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Indeed. Far more their 'speed', as it were.

The TSA: Keeping you safe from Weapons of Barnyard Destruction.



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said by Blackbird:

...the perp obviously would have failed to "freeze" upon command...

In possession of weapons of ass destruction
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said by Grail Knight:


With age enhancement as well.

If "age enhancement" means making me look younger, good deal.

Seriously, though, I predict horror stories arising from false positives and the resulting erroneous identifications.


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You all jest, but I see this as being a real problem. False positives will be serious issue.

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I don't know who those folks are but they look alike to me and perhaps to the new $1 bln face recognition system.
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Seriously tho even with horror stories and false IDs
sure to come down the road it could prove useful in the consumer market on smart phones.
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said by StuartMW:

Well I guess the plus side is that when I go to the DMV to renew my drivers license/photo in 4 years they'll already have a pic.

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--As sung by Jesus Brian while he was on the cross.

Don't you have to go this year to renew even if your driver's license is still valid? Or when you got yours did your state already have National ID in place? Your comment in this thread reminded me that, although my license is good for seven more years, I have to go before the end of this year and PAY AGAIN to get a new one because mine was issued before our state finally began to comply with the National ID law (or whatever it is called). TSA has declared that no one can fly after December 31, 2012 without either a current Passport (I have an old Passport but not current) or a National ID driver's license. Since the only way to get around Hawaii is to fly, I have no choice but to get the new Big Brother license.
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Ah, had to reread the title several times. Thought it was saying the FBI was installing a face recognition system for $1 bills and wondered why they were targeting George Washington.



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About time you got to the party FBI, what kept you, being last, your buying the first round.

Only 14 million photographs, really guys why so few? What kind of chips are you guys using, Doritos?

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TSA has declared that no one can fly after December 31, 2012 without either a current Passport (I have an old Passport but not current) or a National ID driver's license.
Where does the TSA state this?

»www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/···nts.shtm
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Maybe she means fly a plane like in going to flight training school and be a pilot...

»www.dhs.gov/news/2012/07/16/writ···ortation

»www.tsa.dhs.gov/travelers/airtra···x.shtm#3

I would assume if you are not a US citizen one would need a passport from their country and a visa if required.
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Easier to fly than vote in PA

If a voter does not POSSESS PROOF OF IDENTIFICATION FOR VOTING PURPOSES as defined at section 102(z.5)(2) of the Pennsylvania Election Code (25 P.S. § 2602(z.5)(2)) and requires proof of identification for voting purposes, the following applies:

You must declare under oath or affirmation by completing the Oath/ Affirmation Voter ID form that you do not possess any of the following forms of identification: In particular,

-Identification issued by the United States Government that includes my name, a photograph, and an expiration date that is not expired.*

- Identification issued by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania that includes my name, a photograph, and an expiration date that is not expired (unless issued by the Department of Transportation, then the expiration of the identification cannot be more than 12 months past the expiration date).

- Identification issued by a municipality of this Commonwealth to an employee of that municipality that includes my name, a photograph, and an expiration date that is not expired.

- Identification issued by an accredited Pennsylvania public or private institution of higher learning that includes my name, a photograph, and an expiration date that is not expired.

- Identification issued by a Pennsylvania care facility that includes my name, a photograph, and an expiration date that is not expired.

*In the case of a document from an agency of the armed forces of the United States or their reserve components, including the Pennsylvania National Guard, that establishes the voter as a current member or a veteran of the United States Armed Forces or National Guard and that does not designate a specific date on which the document expires, the document must include a notation indicating that the expiration is indefinite.

$13.50 fee for acquiring an Identification Card will be waived for individuals completing the Oath/ Affirmation Voter ID form. All identification documentation is still required to obtain an Identification Card as follows:

Step1
To obtain a Pennsylvania Photo Identification card for voting purposes, an individual needs to visit a Pennsylvania Department of Transportation Driver License Center with a completed Application for an Initial Photo Identification Card; form DL-54A, and the following:

Social Security Card
AND
One of the following:

Certificate of U.S. Citizenship
Certificate of Naturalization
*Birth Certificate with a raised seal

PLUS

Two proofs of **residency such as lease agreements, current utility bills, mortgage documents, W-2 form, tax records

*If they do not have a birth certificate with a raised seal and are a Pennsylvania native; and do not have one of the acceptable, alternative forms of photo identification to vote; and will provide a signed oath/affirmation form, when visiting the PennDOT driver license center, they must:

Tell the PennDOT customer service representative they are a Pennsylvania native who needs a photo ID for voting purposes, and do not have a certified copy of their birth certificate;
Sign an oath/affirmation that they do not have an acceptable form of ID for voting purposes and the photo ID is needed for voting purposes;
Show a Social Security card and two proofs of residence, such as a deed, lease, tax bill, or utility bill;
Fill out a DL-54A form requesting a non-driver photo ID and;
Complete the HD01564F (Request for Certification of Birth Record for Voter ID Purposes Only) form, which collects information such as birth name, mother and father's name and place of birth. This Department of Health form is available at all Driver Licensing Centers.

PennDOT will then forward the completed form to the Department of Health, which maintains birth records. After verifying the birth record is on file, the Department of Health will securely transmit this information to PennDOT. PennDOT will then notify them by letter that their birth record has been confirmed. They may then return to any driver license center, with the above noted documentation, to receive your free photo ID for voting purposes. This verification process will take up to ten days and does not require the payment of a fee.

**Students at least 18 years of age: Accepted proofs of residency include the room assignment paperwork (considered a lease) and one bill with their dorm room address on it. Bank statements, paystubs and credit card bills are all acceptable. Other Individuals who may not have any bills, leases or mortgage documents in their name may bring the person with whom they are living along with their Driver’s License or Photo ID to a driver license center as one proof of residence. Homeless individuals can use the address of a shelter as their residence provided they visit a Driver's License Center with an employee from the shelter that has an employee photo identification issued by the shelter and a letter on the shelter's letterhead indicating that the homeless individual stays at the shelter.

Step 2
When their application and supporting documentation have been reviewed and processed, a Driver License Center staff member will direct the applicant to the Photo Center to have their photo taken for their Photo ID card.

Step 3
Once their photo has been taken, they will be issued a Photo ID card.
»www.dmv.state.pa.us/voter/voteridlaw.shtml
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said by Mele20:

Don't you have to go this year to renew even if your driver's license is still valid?

Not to my knowledge. My current one is only 18 months old.

I do know that some states require a new photo every 5-7 years, That is what I was referring to.
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said by Name Game:

Maybe she means fly a plane like in going to flight training school and be a pilot...

»www.dhs.gov/news/2012/07/16/writ···ortation

»www.tsa.dhs.gov/travelers/airtra···x.shtm#3

I would assume if you are not a US citizen one would need a passport from their country and a visa if required.

After December 31, 2012 you must have a Real ID driver's license (or current Passport) if you wish to fly anywhere in the USA. Since Hawaii was one of the last three states to comply with the Real ID Act that meant that Real ID licenses were only begun to be issued earlier this year (with huge lines and many hours wait time).

So, I got my license renewed in 2011 and paid for 8 year renewal (used to be only 4 years and still only 2 years once you hit 75). I had to pay a lot more for it than in the past because it is now an 8 year license and now I have to pay again, plus, the time and hassle. Hawaiian Air has on their site that no one can fly as of January 1 without the Real ID national driver's license now being issued in Hawaii (or a current Passport). Hawaiian says this is a TSA requirement. I had forgotten about it as I certainly was not going to go stand in the long lines when this Real ID crap was first started in Hawaii back about 4-5 months ago. I have to have another picture made and all the extra invasive crap will be in the new license. If I didn't need to fly, I could keep the old, less invasive license for seven more years. Thanks a lot TSA!
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Might be cheaper to get/renew a passport. Mine is still valid (I think).

FYI I think all new passports contain an RFID.
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said by StuartMW:

said by Mele20:

Don't you have to go this year to renew even if your driver's license is still valid?

Not to my knowledge. My current one is only 18 months old.

I do know that some states require a new photo every 5-7 years, That is what I was referring to.

Apparently not in New York.. I'm 41, and the picture on my license is the one that was taken when I was 21.


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said by Mele20:

After December 31, 2012 you must have a Real ID driver's license (or current Passport) if you wish to fly anywhere in the USA.

/Conspiracy theory on

Maybe so the FBI's facial recognition system can identify you more positively.

/Conspiracy theory off

They track you via your mobile phone (already) and soon your car.

Bottom line: we're this close to The Minortiy Report et al type tracking.
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'The Minority Report' was primarily about pre-cogs; are the feds employing pre-cogs?



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Once the Tom Cruise character was on the run he was tracked by all the camera's around the place. The camera's recognized him.
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