dsldan
join:2001-11-06
Forest Hills, NY
1 edit | [OOL] Does OptimumOnline supply a router? Hi,
I've been with Verizon DSL for many many years. Verizon (since the Westell 2200 in 2003) supplies a router - it's built right in to the DSL modem.
Someone I know recently switched to OptimumOnline. He was supplied with an Arris TM822. Is this a router? I checked the user's guide. It refers to itself as a Telephony Modem, and the only reference it makes to a router is when it talks about connecting one. So that would lead me to believe it isn't.
One reason I'd think you'd want a router is for the NAT firewall. One look at the firewall log scared me straight. It's like the whole world is rattling the locks trying to break in. I'd rather have a first line of defense - a dedicated hardware device keeping watch over my LAN - than waste CPU cycles on my PC keeping that traffic out with a software firewall.
So why don't the cable companies supply routers? Just curious....
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| A router is supplied with an install of the Ultimate Triple Play (with Boost Plus). It would have to be returned if you cancel OOL service (but not dropping Boost Plus & keeping OOL).
Otherwise, you would need to provide your own router. |
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BobAccount deleted
join:2012-07-22
New Jersey | reply to dsldan
The TM822 is just a modem. Not a router.
I agree having a NAT router is a good idea. You can pick up a Netgear wireless router for $35. |
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Cablevision will lease a NetGear router with your Optimum Online service for $10 per month.
Otherwise, you will need to purchase your own. |
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PX EliezerPremium
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Hutt River
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| said by Network Guy:Cablevision will lease a NetGear router with your Optimum Online service for $10 per month.
Since decent routers are $ 35-50, to charge $ 10 a month for leasing is pretty outrageous.
The OP should get his own router.... |
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| Agreed. Not saying I would.
Hell.. I run a Cisco 1841 behind the Arris modem. |
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dsldan
join:2001-11-06
Forest Hills, NY | reply to dsldan
Thanks for your replies.
Lord knows Verizon has issues, but on these two points:
- not sharing your connection speed with all your neighbors, and
- not letting the whole world into your LAN
Verizon has OptimumOnline beat hands down.
The first issue is inherent to cable, but they can easily do something about the latter. It can't be that difficult to design a cable modem with a built in router. |
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TheWiseGuyDog And ButterflyPremium,MVM
join:2002-07-04
East Stroudsburg, PA
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| said by dsldan:Thanks for your replies.
Lord knows Verizon has issues, but on these two points:
- not sharing your connection speed with all your neighbors, and
- not letting the whole world into your LAN
Verizon has OptimumOnline beat hands down.
The first issue is inherent to cable, but they can easily do something about the latter. It can't be that difficult to design a cable modem with a built in router.
The first is easily managed with Docsis 3.0 and most people get the speed that is advertised since CV put the investment into upgrading their network. Oh and by the way with Verizon you do share the network with your neighbors, just not the last mile.
Their are cable modems that have a router built in and cable companies may begin to use them more in the future but IMO it would be a disadvantage to use a combination. Many users prefer to select their own router. Some have better throughput, some have better wireless range, some are more configurable, some have better security options etc. Routers are cheap and a company always wants to earn a return so it is always cheaper to buy an inexpensive item like a router yourself. There are less things that can go wrong that the cable company needs to debug when the router is your responsibility, so I do not need to pay up for them to support your router since I can troubleshoot my own router.
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There are plenty of DSL modems that doesn't include a router as well and in all my years with setting up people and businesses, it's always preferred to have them seperated. If your modem dies it will take the router portion with it as well leaving your network (seperate from Internet) dead also. When it's time to replace you'll have to configure everything all over again since odds are you'll get a different model anyways. Having them seperate also means the ISP doesn't have a peak into your network when they want to as they don't control your LAN.
The plus side obviously is they can fix everything for you as in the CV suppled Netgear Router. If you are not so tech savy and having trouble getting your laptop to connect you can call them and they can control your router since it has their firmware and a backdoor in so they can fix whatever they need. The other plus being it can take up less space since it's 1 piece of equipment vs 2.
With DSL's pokey 6Mbps speeds, having the router built in is cool since odds are you wont need to upgrade it, EVER. With a cable modem, if it was built with a 802.11G wireless router and you later upgraded to 30Mbps tier (old Boost), your wireless G router wouldn't be able to push that much data fast enough on the wireless channel since the limit is 20-25Mbps MAX (forget 54G as that's 1/2 duplex speeds and theoretical). If you upgraded to say 150Mbps speeds you'll never be able to get that even with some old router with a ethernet cable since their routing performance is limited to 80-90Mbps. New routers can do 1400Mbps (Asus and others) with even standard cheap routers now doing 200-300Mbps because of CPU upgrades since then.
For cable modems with wireless routers built in, see:
»www.motorola.com/Video-Solutions···Gateways
Few there. |
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 NormanSPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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said by dsldan:One reason I'd think you'd want a router is for the NAT firewall. One look at the firewall log scared me straight. NAT is not a firewall. Most NAT routers sold today also include an SPI firewall. Many DSL providers issue an "RG" ("Residential Gateway") which has minimal functionality (barely more than modem and simple NAT; no configurable firewall). I am about to throw my new (rented) ADSL2+ RG in the box and buy my own CPE.
I'd recommend that over a ISP-issue RG.
AFAIK, most MSOs that offer RGs also charge a "wi-fi fee".
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