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puppy

join:2010-01-28

GW2: Necromancer thread

Starting a new necro thread so I can get some advice. I made an asura necro and she is cute as a button, but I'm finding it hard to level. Staff marks are hard to place for me, mobs just run around them (I suck I know), and so far the weapons/spells feel weak. I know Ghasty? said it's a bit tough until I get my flesh golem, but that's level 30 I think, ugh.

What weapons/skills are people using to level from 10-20, 20-30, etc?


Ghastlyone
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said by puppy:

Starting a new necro thread so I can get some advice. I made an asura necro and she is cute as a button, but I'm finding it hard to level. Staff marks are hard to place for me, mobs just run around them (I suck I know), and so far the weapons/spells feel weak. I know Ghasty? said it's a bit tough until I get my flesh golem, but that's level 30 I think, ugh.

What weapons/skills are people using to level from 10-20, 20-30, etc?

Staff blows. I refuse to use a staff. I seriously don't know how other people playing Necros can stand using a staff. If you're kiting a mob(s) then I can see it working "okay". But other then that, laying marks on the ground constantly is just wonky feeling as all hell. There are far better options.

My primary weapons of choice are Dual Daggers, and Scepter/Dagger for when I need range on a dangerous mob.

I'll post my spec later on and the utility spells I'm using (can't remember the exact names off hand)

Basically I run without minions the majority of the time. I'll pull the Flesh Golem out, but even he's worthless sometimes (Anet seriously needs to fix/rework minions in a patch)

I run with Spite Signet, and drop damage dealing Wells. I spec into reduced CD on all Well spells also.


dzaharias

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Conditions, conditions, conditions.

I find it best to stack bleeds and swap bewteen a scepter/dagger and a staff (for the bleed mark).

Minions I've found tend to be fun to roll with, but unless you enjoy resummoning them after every fight (I've noticed them to be really weak. Perhaps this is to make up for there unlimited duration?), it's best to roll without them and focus more on your other skills.

For your elite, i'd almost definitely use Lich Form in PvE and PvP, however, the Poison Cloud elite (forget the exact name off the top of my head) isn't to bad to use in PvP. In PvE, the Sylvari racial "Take Root" (Again, the exact name I can't think of off the top of my head) isn't to bad.

Alternatively, a Power Necro isn't half bad either if you prefer to shy away from bleeds and conditions. I'll post a couple builds that I've used that work quite well for a Necro later if interested.


puppy

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Sure sounds good, thanks to you both!


Ghastlyone
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I run Well of Blood for a big initial heal, and then a HoT afterwards.

Well of Corruption »wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Well_of_Corruption

And Well of Suffering »wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Well_of_Suffering

WoS is absolutely devastating. Applying that vulnerability is a huge dps increase.


Ghastlyone
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This is how I'm spec'd at the moment. Not 100% sure if I'm going to go more into Spite or Curses, I'm still trying some things out.

I'll probably end up going deep into Curses though.


puppy

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Wow, thanks for the pics/post!

If you are not using minions, are you just kiting the mobs around in the wells when soloing?


Ghastlyone
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said by puppy:

Wow, thanks for the pics/post!

If you are not using minions, are you just kiting the mobs around in the wells when soloing?

No kiting. Drop a well or wells and proceed to give the mob(s) a royal beat down standing right there. Dont forget to dodge though

I tend to save wells for harder hitting higher health mobs. Mutiple mobs, I will definitely use WoS. They just seem to melt upon contact.

Don't forget to use your Life Force ability regularly also. If you're about to go down or get killed, pop Life Force (you're completely invinsible when it's active) For another "oh shit button", instead of using a Flesh Golem, use your Dispersion spell instead, it's way OP.

Just keep in mind, Necros seems extremely weak early on. The higher the level I get though, the better it's getting.


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I mainly use dual daggers, but do swap to staff to drop marks before a fight, or when everything on daggers is on CD.

6= Consume Conditions (heal, but gives bonus heal for every condition on you. There is a signet that will pull conditions off of allies on to you. Use this to clear them, makes a helluva combo)
7= Signet of Spite (drops 6 conditions on target)
8= Epidemic (spreads conditions on target to all nearby foes)
9= Well Of Suffering (Target area pulses 5x855dmg currently)
0= Take root (plant turrets) or Flesh Golem (Increased dmg pet)

6,7,and 8 thrown all together will drop some asses. Couple those in with marks to freeze and bleed targets, and you can do a lot of dmg to a lot of mobs quickly. Switch back over to daggers (which, btw, I just go two daggers that give you a 20 sec Might buff when you switch to them in combat...they both give it, and it stacks) to clean up whats left.

If you get close to dying, or need even more AoE damage, hit F1 and go into Death Shroud, using Life Transfer to do some decent damage, absorb life force, and buy you some time, if you're in trouble, to get your heal off of CD.

I hardly run with pets at all, but there are some decent traits that look like they could buff them up quite a bit.
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sounds good
thanks


Ghastlyone
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Lichform


puppy

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That is super sexy!

Edit: Last night I tried dagger/dagger and was like wtf why am I getting Missing! messages?! Oh, #1 skill is melee! :P

I find myself liking scepter/dagger more. A couple of AOEs at my disposal.

Edit2: That healing pet... is pretty fragile. Worth 3 skill points to get the healing skill that heals when I dps? This girl is low level so every skill point matters, unlike the warrior which has like 18 or so waiting for level 30...


Koil
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I think the pet IS the heal that heals as IT dps's, not you...The other skill is an instant heal, that will do more per condition on you, and the other is a well to heal yourself & allies, and the final one is healing seed that does a heal and occasionally grants regen.

Personally, I use the instant / condition heal. If you time it right, it can net you quite a bit of health back, but sometimes you just gotta burn it without them. I'll usually pop it, go to deathshroud, do whatever I can to kite and dmg, and by the time I'm out of it, pop my heal again...works pretty well. (Do remember that you're not invulnerable in death shroud, you still take damage, it just comes off of your life force, instead of health. You can be knocked down, stunned, etc., just as you normally can be.)
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Ghastlyone
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Note my effect health in Lichform haha.

You hit like a truck when that spell is active also.


puppy

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That drain life AOE (#4 in death shroud) is so awesome. Last night there's an escort where all these panthers would spawn (10+). I would lay down my AOE conditions/wells then run into the pack, go into death shroud and do #4. Numbers popping up everywhere!


facepalm

join:2012-08-20
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reply to puppy
Man, I need to get back on my Necro. I'll try to give the Engineer a rest this weekend.


facepalm

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I played the Necro last night and I'm not sure how I want to play this toon. The minions available at level 20 are just too damn squishy, so the whole army of darkness thing is out. I am liking the wells a lot and the death shroud awesomeness. Tried various combinations of weapons, but kept finding myself going back to Axe/Warhorn and the Staff. I really would like to dump the Staff and use Scepter/Dagger. Maybe I need to salvage the thing. lol. Single mobs (normal) are dieing before they can reach me with a little crowd control. Reminds me of my old Warlock days. Putting points in Spite, Blood, & Curses looks like where I'm headed.
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Koil
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If you're using sceptre, make sure you're timing your #3 attack (as best as you can) while there are conditions on the target. More conditions...more dmg.

I use scepter / dagger, as the dagger allows for adding a few more conditions to your attacks. The warhorn just doesn't do it for me...a speed buff and a short distance stun cone? Maybe I'm missing something...


Ghastlyone
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said by Koil:

If you're using sceptre, make sure you're timing your #3 attack (as best as you can) while there are conditions on the target. More conditions...more dmg.

I use scepter / dagger, as the dagger allows for adding a few more conditions to your attacks. The warhorn just doesn't do it for me...a speed buff and a short distance stun cone? Maybe I'm missing something...

Yep, Warhorn sucks. Focus is alright. Dagger offhand is the best.

And yes, timing your #3 ability after you apply max conditions is will net the highest amount of dmg. That's where you can lay down Wells to apply conditions also.


Koil
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Here's my build as of right now...went for maximixing bleeds, as I've gone to using the scepter / dagger combo.

Not too shabby. Plus I spent a little under a gold last night getting all yellows for armor and weapons. You can find some decently cheap stuff on there. The most expensive piece I bought was a headslot with magic find on it, and that was 12s. There are definitely more expensive pieces, and none of them are of the same set, but for that cheap i was able to bring my gear current, and can work towards getting the set pieces as I go
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puppy

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One tip I read a few times is to buy level 79 gear when you first hit 80. Stat difference isn't much but a whole lot cheaper.


facepalm

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said by Koil:

The warhorn just doesn't do it for me...a speed buff and a short distance stun cone? Maybe I'm missing something...

Nope. I'm using it mostly for the speed buff. I need to take a look at the focus again.
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facepalm

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said by Ghastlyone:

And yes, timing your #3 ability after you apply max conditions is will net the highest amount of dmg. That's where you can lay down Wells to apply conditions also.

The Sigil of Spite, or whatever it is called, applies a lot of conditions too. I wish the cooldown was less on it.
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Ghastlyone
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said by facepalm:

said by Ghastlyone:

And yes, timing your #3 ability after you apply max conditions is will net the highest amount of dmg. That's where you can lay down Wells to apply conditions also.

The Sigil of Spite, or whatever it is called, applies a lot of conditions too. I wish the cooldown was less on it.

If you spec at least 10 points into the Spite tree, then all your signets recharge 20% faster


Koil
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said by facepalm:

said by Ghastlyone:

And yes, timing your #3 ability after you apply max conditions is will net the highest amount of dmg. That's where you can lay down Wells to apply conditions also.

The Sigil of Spite, or whatever it is called, applies a lot of conditions too. I wish the cooldown was less on it.

Signet of Spite and Epidemic are must haves for me
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Ghastlyone
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said by Koil:

said by facepalm:

said by Ghastlyone:

And yes, timing your #3 ability after you apply max conditions is will net the highest amount of dmg. That's where you can lay down Wells to apply conditions also.

The Sigil of Spite, or whatever it is called, applies a lot of conditions too. I wish the cooldown was less on it.

Signet of Spite and Epidemic are must haves for me

I've never really used Epidemic yet. I guess casting Spite and then Epidemic could be pretty badass.


Koil
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Dude...couple it with a well of suffering corruption and you're dealing some great dmg to a lot of shit, if they're all bunched together. I'll even try to herd them all together before I do it, just to get max dps out of it.

EDIT: Sorry, meant well of suffering


Koil
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The down side is indeed the long CD's, but as mentioned, you can spec to shorten them...and to make wells use target cursor.


Uncle Paul

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I'm only level 22 but typically run with Staff and Scepter/Dagger. I'm Precision + Condition focused with all of my points in Curses and Soul Reaping.

I'll toggle in and out of DS as needed to soak up damage.

I'll tend to start by using the staff to place 3 marks (Mark of Blood, Chilblains, and Putrid Mark) on the ground in front of the mob. Pull with 2 shots of Necrotic Grasp (life force), swap for scepter/dagger, Feast of corruption.

Based on health of mob: Grasping Dead & Enfeebling Blood.


facepalm

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I took my Necro into WvWvW tonight for first time and wasn't very effective. Hunters had the range on me and melee was an @ss whoopin with my lack of armor.

Bottom line was my limited range was forcing me dangerously close to the melee action.

I spent the majority of the time lending support where I could and looking for the lone stray to pick off. As long as the lone stray wasn't a hunter of course.

What are your experiences in WvWvW? About one hour into the fray I was really missing my engineer. lol
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