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Re: Google disables SSL compression in Chrome against new attack said by Mele20:It puzzles me why there is a push for secure browsing when it is just ordinary browsing. Because using HTTPS makes snooping harder. I use SSL with Google/GoogleSharing to prevent my ISP from monitoring my searches. Bob might still be able to see stuff but without going to great lengths I can't stop that  -- Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow! |
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 Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 | reply to Name Game said by Name Game: SPDY is an open standard developed by Google to speed up Web-page load times and often uses TLS encryption. So, this is a Google invention? That explains it. Google wants Proxo dead. (God forbid that any of us be able to block Google ads). Screw Google. I am so glad I don't use ANY of their crap except their search engine and I have Google Sharing extension on Fx and SM to thwart Google tracking me when using their search engine. -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
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 Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 | reply to StuartMW Well, I had forgotten momentarily that Google Sharing extension forces SSL connection. I love the extension but I see no real need for SSL for searches if the extension is scrambling and mixing up my search with a bunch of others. Because I don't use SSL for Proxo it means I see ads on Google searches using Google Sharing.
As for my ISP, well, gee, again I don't see why I should get upset about them theoretically being able to see every where I go. That has been the case since I got a computer in 1999. Why the sudden concern now, but not for all these past years? My ISP has never betrayed me (except for trying to force their search page for urls that are mistyped but I could easily and permanently opt out), but Google sure would just as Facebook, etc would.. and Yahoo...I haven't been to Yahoo about 10 years. They are the worst for betrayal and snooping...but my ISP? As I said, why would that suddenly concern me when it hasn't in all these years? I haven't seen my ISP suddenly becoming evel...maybe I am missing something though..... -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 2 edits | reply to Mele20 Right and google invented SSL and TSL  Get real. How can you protect yourself from CRIME, BEASTs successor? »security.blogoverflow.com/2012/0···ccessor/
Crack in Internets foundation of trust allows HTTPS session hijacking safari info added:
»quickiphoneapps.com/crack-in-int···jacking/
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Your ISP is Going to Spy on You Starting July 12, 2012
quote: One year ago, the RIAA and the MPAA organized a project with the largest internet service providers in the US to begin monitoring their customers internet activity. This monitoring was introduced as a joint coalition to combat piracy.
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 Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 | Oh...the pirating thing....haven't done that in many years...errr...if I ever did. Yeah, I read that thread but that affects those who pirate. The ISPs have always been able to track the users so the only difference now is they will do so in connection with RIAA and that is the pits but unless you are a current pirate how does it affect you differently from before this?
I would be very pissed if my idiot state legislature had passed that hairbrained law that one representative introduced last session because she didn't know how to properly protect her website, but that got canned and I don't equate looking for pirates to be anything like what the state law would have been if passed and implemented. It is this latter crap that we must protest and stop. -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
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 | reply to StuartMW SPDY ON on Firefox 15!!! not on 10ESR
No wonder why Firefox Mobile has discontinued 10.0.7 ESR and force users to use 15.0.1
Just turned off SPDY in Firefox mobile 15, Thx a million!!! Shame Mozilla!!! |
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 Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 | reply to Name Game SPDY is an open standard developed by Google so what do you mean by "get real"? I didn't claim Google invented SSL and TSL....geez. Just because you are madly in love with Google doesn't mean everyone is or that your admiration and love is not misplaced. -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 2 edits | Then I would remind you that Crime exploits TLS.
"The researchers who developed the attack that exploits this weakness say that all versions of TLS are affected, including TLS 1.2, and that the cipher suite used in the encrypted session makes no difference in the success of the attack."
And... »SSL is broken and nearly impossible to fix
If you use Opera..even many month ago..
SSL2 should be disabled. TLS 1.1 and TLS 1.2 should be enabled and are preferred, though TLS 1.2 was not yet supported on many servers
But for Opera this was the problem even in Jan 2012
»my.opera.com/community/forums/to···=1262702
Firefox, with "HTTPS Everywhere" (which forces TLS when available), along with "Perspectives" (which polls various certificate notaries to bolster the browsers trust for the Certificate in question) should have been used, if possible.
Sooo..getting back to the real world..
Rizzo confirmed Thursday via email that CRIME exploits that data compression feature of SSL and TLS. However, SPDY -- a networking protocol that uses a similar compression scheme -- is also vulnerable, he said. »www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/4···essions/
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 Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 | Yes, TLS is vulnerable although supposedly Fx and SM are now patched according to the Arstechnica artile linked here in this thread.
But I am talking about SPDY and not just in the context of this exploit. You ignored this and instead began discussing TLS which is related but not the subject. I didn't know hardly anything about SPDY until this thread (it is not available on my default browser or my other Fx browser or Opera or IE so this thread is the first I have heard of it). I don't like the possible threat it poses to Proxo even if you use Proxo with the files that make it able to filter HTTPS sites which I have never done. FF4m3 says he had to disable it in Fx so that Proxo will filter HTTPS correctly. So, I am talking about SPDY and you deliberately? or obtusely? changed the subject to TLS. 
I am in the real world. You though wandered off somewhere else. -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 | And you still don't know anything about SPDY and this thread is about Crime..Rizzo and TLS.
And this is a joke
»prxbx.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=2029 -- Gladiator Security Forum »www.gladiator-antivirus.com/
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| reply to Mele20 said by Mele20:Yeah, I read that thread but that affects those who pirate. I disagree. I don't pirate but that's not the point. Many ISP's now monitor traffic ostensibly in the name of preventing piracy but who knows what they do with the data they collect. No doubt the three letter agencies get a copy.
The bottom line: it's none of my ISP's (or anyone else's) business what I search for etc. But if you're ok with everything being monitored be my guest. -- Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow! |
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 | reply to Mele20 SPDY indicator An indicator in the address bar for SPDY usage by each website. »chrome.google.com/webstore/detai···ggcjblin These are the sites that happen to use it today
Server support and usage
As of March 2012, there are not many SPDY-enabled websites. Some Google services (e.g. Google search, Gmail, and other SSL-enabled services) use SPDY when available.[26] Google's ads are also served from SPDY-enabled servers.[27] Twitter has enabled SPDY on its servers in March 2012, making it the second largest site known to deploy SPDY.[28] Cloudflare is also providing a beta of SPDY on their servers from June 2012, though users who would like to use/test it must be paying customers as SPDY is built on top of TLS, only paying customers can use SSL/TLS Certificates.[29] In March 2012, the open source Jetty Web Server announced support for SPDY in version 7.6.2,[30] while other open source projects were working on implementing support for SPDY, like node.js,[31][32] Apache (mod_spdy),[33] curl,[34] and nginx.[35] In April 2012 Google started providing SPDY packages for Apache servers which led some smaller websites to provide SPDY support.[36] In May 2012 F5 Networks announced support for SPDY in its BIG-IP application delivery controllers.[37] In June 2012 NGINX, Inc. announced support for SPDY in the open source web server Nginx.[38] In July 2012 Facebook announced implementation plans for SPDY.[39] In August 2012 Wordpress.com announced support for SPDY across all their hosted blogs.[40] »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPDY
For Firefox one can do this..but there is no reason to..be more concerned about TLS.
»bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763163 -- Gladiator Security Forum »www.gladiator-antivirus.com/
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 Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 | reply to Name Game Yes, it started out being about Crime and TLS but it quickly got into SPDY. If SPDY should not be in this thread then please "hey mod" the thread and ask that all the posts on SPDY be moved to a new thread that is open for posts as I, and I think some others, would like to pursue not only the relationship of SPDY and Crime but SPDY more generally.
I'm sure I don't know a lot about SPDY as it is new to me but it is inaccurate for you to claim I know nothing and sounds just like a spiteful remark because you don't like the turn this thread has taken. 
Yeah, I was about to go to prxbx and see if there was anything there regarding SPDY. I am not too surprised at that thread. It is very early to be concerned and we don't have Sidki now...stlll...the reply was lacking but that doesn't mean that when push comes to shove that Proxo lovers will not be able to meet the challenge. But the time will come, some day, when, because we don't have the Proxo code, it will become less and less relevant but I don't see that happening for years. -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
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 | reply to Mele20 said by Mele20:I don't like the possible threat it poses to Proxo even if you use Proxo with the files that make it able to filter HTTPS sites which I have never done. FF4m3 says he had to disable it in Fx so that Proxo will filter HTTPS correctly From SPDY: An experimental protocol for a faster web I learned that SPDY has a goal to reduce the bandwidth currently used by HTTP by compressing headers, an admirable objective.
However, SPDY compresses request and response HTTP headers. Not so good for Proxo's digestive process. Hence my disabling of SPDY capabilities in Firefox. |
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 | reply to Mele20 said by Mele20:Google wants Proxo dead. No they don't. Google could care less about Proxo.
I don't rely only on Proxo to block Google ads. It's easy to completely block Google's ad servers via host file entries and Avast's internal site blocking capabilities. |
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 | reply to Mele20 Have they told you if proxo with work with Windows 8..I hear it might be compatible but not tested..
We have a lot of experts guessing at what Crime might be able to do and how..so we shall see... I do remember in Beast there was a lot of speculation...
Because of Beast this happened..
»blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-and···l-attack
Then users were clamouring for TLS 1.1 or 1.2 support in firefox »support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/781028 Finally someone from Hawaii posted and You might understand it all more in this thread where scarlettrunner20 shows people how to do a little test at "boh.com" The Bank of Hawaii . »forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic···=2310053 -- Gladiator Security Forum »www.gladiator-antivirus.com/
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 | reply to FF4m3 said by FF4m3 :said by Mele20:I don't like the possible threat it poses to Proxo even if you use Proxo with the files that make it able to filter HTTPS sites which I have never done. FF4m3 says he had to disable it in Fx so that Proxo will filter HTTPS correctly From SPDY: An experimental protocol for a faster web I learned that SPDY has a goal to reduce the bandwidth currently used by HTTP by compressing headers, an admirable objective. However, SPDY compresses request and response HTTP headers. Not so good for Proxo's digestive process. Hence my disabling of SPDY capabilities in Firefox. And even though the SPDY is spoken "speedy" It might not really be that fast today...
Performance
An independent study shows that, in testing, the page load time with SPDY is not significantly different on most websites from HTTP or HTTPS,[41] because old optimization techniques such as splitting the content between many hosts prevent pipelining from taking place. -- Gladiator Security Forum »www.gladiator-antivirus.com/
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 Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 | reply to Name Game
I only have SPDY on SeaMonkey and earlier today I disabled it in about:config. That was after I tried to install the SPDY indicator 2.1 and it won't install on SM. »addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox···/?src=ss
So, I disabled SPDY as I would want to know when it is being used. Then I went to SM support newsgroup and asked about the extension and if/when it will be available for Sea Monkey or if there is a trick to get it working now on SM. I got one reponse so far and it was "Huh"? Someone who didn't know about SPDY like I didn't until this thread. -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
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 | reply to Mele20 said by Mele20:It puzzles me why there is a push for secure browsing it concerns me because i don't like the idea that data that is transferred via a secure connection bypasses my av program's "webguard".. |
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