 Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 | reply to Name Game
Re: Google disables SSL compression in Chrome against new attack said by Name Game: SPDY is an open standard developed by Google to speed up Web-page load times and often uses TLS encryption. So, this is a Google invention? That explains it. Google wants Proxo dead. (God forbid that any of us be able to block Google ads). Screw Google. I am so glad I don't use ANY of their crap except their search engine and I have Google Sharing extension on Fx and SM to thwart Google tracking me when using their search engine. -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 2 edits | Right and google invented SSL and TSL  Get real. How can you protect yourself from CRIME, BEASTs successor? »security.blogoverflow.com/2012/0···ccessor/
Crack in Internets foundation of trust allows HTTPS session hijacking safari info added:
»quickiphoneapps.com/crack-in-int···jacking/
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 Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 | SPDY is an open standard developed by Google so what do you mean by "get real"? I didn't claim Google invented SSL and TSL....geez. Just because you are madly in love with Google doesn't mean everyone is or that your admiration and love is not misplaced. -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 2 edits | Then I would remind you that Crime exploits TLS.
"The researchers who developed the attack that exploits this weakness say that all versions of TLS are affected, including TLS 1.2, and that the cipher suite used in the encrypted session makes no difference in the success of the attack."
And... »SSL is broken and nearly impossible to fix
If you use Opera..even many month ago..
SSL2 should be disabled. TLS 1.1 and TLS 1.2 should be enabled and are preferred, though TLS 1.2 was not yet supported on many servers
But for Opera this was the problem even in Jan 2012
»my.opera.com/community/forums/to···=1262702
Firefox, with "HTTPS Everywhere" (which forces TLS when available), along with "Perspectives" (which polls various certificate notaries to bolster the browsers trust for the Certificate in question) should have been used, if possible.
Sooo..getting back to the real world..
Rizzo confirmed Thursday via email that CRIME exploits that data compression feature of SSL and TLS. However, SPDY -- a networking protocol that uses a similar compression scheme -- is also vulnerable, he said. »www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/4···essions/
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 Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 | Yes, TLS is vulnerable although supposedly Fx and SM are now patched according to the Arstechnica artile linked here in this thread.
But I am talking about SPDY and not just in the context of this exploit. You ignored this and instead began discussing TLS which is related but not the subject. I didn't know hardly anything about SPDY until this thread (it is not available on my default browser or my other Fx browser or Opera or IE so this thread is the first I have heard of it). I don't like the possible threat it poses to Proxo even if you use Proxo with the files that make it able to filter HTTPS sites which I have never done. FF4m3 says he had to disable it in Fx so that Proxo will filter HTTPS correctly. So, I am talking about SPDY and you deliberately? or obtusely? changed the subject to TLS. 
I am in the real world. You though wandered off somewhere else. -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 | And you still don't know anything about SPDY and this thread is about Crime..Rizzo and TLS.
And this is a joke
»prxbx.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=2029 -- Gladiator Security Forum »www.gladiator-antivirus.com/
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 | reply to Mele20 SPDY indicator An indicator in the address bar for SPDY usage by each website. »chrome.google.com/webstore/detai···ggcjblin These are the sites that happen to use it today
Server support and usage
As of March 2012, there are not many SPDY-enabled websites. Some Google services (e.g. Google search, Gmail, and other SSL-enabled services) use SPDY when available.[26] Google's ads are also served from SPDY-enabled servers.[27] Twitter has enabled SPDY on its servers in March 2012, making it the second largest site known to deploy SPDY.[28] Cloudflare is also providing a beta of SPDY on their servers from June 2012, though users who would like to use/test it must be paying customers as SPDY is built on top of TLS, only paying customers can use SSL/TLS Certificates.[29] In March 2012, the open source Jetty Web Server announced support for SPDY in version 7.6.2,[30] while other open source projects were working on implementing support for SPDY, like node.js,[31][32] Apache (mod_spdy),[33] curl,[34] and nginx.[35] In April 2012 Google started providing SPDY packages for Apache servers which led some smaller websites to provide SPDY support.[36] In May 2012 F5 Networks announced support for SPDY in its BIG-IP application delivery controllers.[37] In June 2012 NGINX, Inc. announced support for SPDY in the open source web server Nginx.[38] In July 2012 Facebook announced implementation plans for SPDY.[39] In August 2012 Wordpress.com announced support for SPDY across all their hosted blogs.[40] »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPDY
For Firefox one can do this..but there is no reason to..be more concerned about TLS.
»bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763163 -- Gladiator Security Forum »www.gladiator-antivirus.com/
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 | reply to Mele20 said by Mele20:I don't like the possible threat it poses to Proxo even if you use Proxo with the files that make it able to filter HTTPS sites which I have never done. FF4m3 says he had to disable it in Fx so that Proxo will filter HTTPS correctly From SPDY: An experimental protocol for a faster web I learned that SPDY has a goal to reduce the bandwidth currently used by HTTP by compressing headers, an admirable objective.
However, SPDY compresses request and response HTTP headers. Not so good for Proxo's digestive process. Hence my disabling of SPDY capabilities in Firefox. |
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 Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 | reply to Name Game Yes, it started out being about Crime and TLS but it quickly got into SPDY. If SPDY should not be in this thread then please "hey mod" the thread and ask that all the posts on SPDY be moved to a new thread that is open for posts as I, and I think some others, would like to pursue not only the relationship of SPDY and Crime but SPDY more generally.
I'm sure I don't know a lot about SPDY as it is new to me but it is inaccurate for you to claim I know nothing and sounds just like a spiteful remark because you don't like the turn this thread has taken. 
Yeah, I was about to go to prxbx and see if there was anything there regarding SPDY. I am not too surprised at that thread. It is very early to be concerned and we don't have Sidki now...stlll...the reply was lacking but that doesn't mean that when push comes to shove that Proxo lovers will not be able to meet the challenge. But the time will come, some day, when, because we don't have the Proxo code, it will become less and less relevant but I don't see that happening for years. -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
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 | reply to Mele20 said by Mele20:Google wants Proxo dead. No they don't. Google could care less about Proxo.
I don't rely only on Proxo to block Google ads. It's easy to completely block Google's ad servers via host file entries and Avast's internal site blocking capabilities. |
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 | reply to Mele20 Have they told you if proxo with work with Windows 8..I hear it might be compatible but not tested..
We have a lot of experts guessing at what Crime might be able to do and how..so we shall see... I do remember in Beast there was a lot of speculation...
Because of Beast this happened..
»blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-and···l-attack
Then users were clamouring for TLS 1.1 or 1.2 support in firefox »support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/781028 Finally someone from Hawaii posted and You might understand it all more in this thread where scarlettrunner20 shows people how to do a little test at "boh.com" The Bank of Hawaii . »forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic···=2310053 -- Gladiator Security Forum »www.gladiator-antivirus.com/
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 | reply to FF4m3 said by FF4m3 :said by Mele20:I don't like the possible threat it poses to Proxo even if you use Proxo with the files that make it able to filter HTTPS sites which I have never done. FF4m3 says he had to disable it in Fx so that Proxo will filter HTTPS correctly From SPDY: An experimental protocol for a faster web I learned that SPDY has a goal to reduce the bandwidth currently used by HTTP by compressing headers, an admirable objective. However, SPDY compresses request and response HTTP headers. Not so good for Proxo's digestive process. Hence my disabling of SPDY capabilities in Firefox. And even though the SPDY is spoken "speedy" It might not really be that fast today...
Performance
An independent study shows that, in testing, the page load time with SPDY is not significantly different on most websites from HTTP or HTTPS,[41] because old optimization techniques such as splitting the content between many hosts prevent pipelining from taking place. -- Gladiator Security Forum »www.gladiator-antivirus.com/
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 Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 | reply to Name Game
I only have SPDY on SeaMonkey and earlier today I disabled it in about:config. That was after I tried to install the SPDY indicator 2.1 and it won't install on SM. »addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox···/?src=ss
So, I disabled SPDY as I would want to know when it is being used. Then I went to SM support newsgroup and asked about the extension and if/when it will be available for Sea Monkey or if there is a trick to get it working now on SM. I got one reponse so far and it was "Huh"? Someone who didn't know about SPDY like I didn't until this thread. -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
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 Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 | reply to FF4m3 said by FF4m3 :said by Mele20:Google wants Proxo dead. No they don't. Google could care less about Proxo. Google doesn't want Proxo dead? Then explain to me why they stopped allowing Proxo to fake a Google cookie? Google has become more hostile toward Proxo in the last few years. -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
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 Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 | reply to Name Game said by Name Game:Have they told you if proxo with work with Windows 8..I hear it might be compatible but not tested..
You might understand it all more in this thread where scarlettrunner20 shows people how to do a little test at "boh.com" The Bank of Hawaii . »forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic···=2310053 Proxo should work on Windows 8. As long as the web is based on HTTP protocol Proxo should work. Some sites may have problems when filtered by Proxo but that has always been the case and SPDY could pose some problems. When Sidki left public Proxo development after his 10/2010 filters gift to us users, he gave his notes, etc. to JJoe and JJoe gave us a filter set updating Sidki's last set in 12/11. I still use Sidki's 10/2010 filters on my host machine and JJoe's on virtual machines. -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
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 Name GamePremium join:2002-07-07 North Myrtle Beach, SC kudos:7 | reply to Mele20 You are so funny..then stop using google and stop ranting about it. |
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| reply to Mele20 said by Mele20:(God forbid that any of us be able to block Google ads). I use the AdBlock Plus extension in FF and don't see Google or any other ads. But use whatever does, or doesn't, work for you. -- Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow! |
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| reply to Name Game Quite a good link. However it is interesting in this quote:
quote: The RFC also says that servers MUST accept that clients send extensions (and ignore the ones it cannot handle), and MUST accept that clients may signal a higher version than they support. Unfortunately, what the RFCs say, and what got implemented in the server can be two very different things. There is a reason why RFC 5746 (The Renego patch) includes a reminder about what the RFCs say on those two points.
Well, what can you say. It is all too similar to a lot of Internet browsing.
You have to allow for it to be a reply to a request. What we need to do is create an environment whereby that initial handshake doesn't allow all, doesn't allow by default, looks for certain strings....guess to some extent that may happen already and you to become pwoned....
So to start with not allowing anything but still recognize the link it needs....love to be able to have that signed in my name.  -- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke
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| reply to Name Game said by Name Game:TLS 1.1 .... .... should be enabled and are preferred, though TLS 1.2 was not yet supported on many servers
That comment seems to have merit. Turning it on has evolved my browsing experience. |
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