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Mark2001

@bell.ca

[DSL] 2 MB missing?

I was planning on signing up for the 2 MB DSL package but I can't find it on the new webpage anymore. I don't want the faster ones.


Crowbar10

join:2009-06-23
Toronto , ON
It appears if you want DSL , you are required to get DSL6 . If for what ever reason you don't want that , you'll have to go with cable and obtain Cable 3 . Just be aware there is an activation fee also .....


rogersmogers

@start.ca
reply to Mark2001
You don't have an option 2mbit no longer offered. Faster = Better.


Mark2001

@bell.ca
reply to Crowbar10
Any reason 2 MB was discontinued? Are they grandfathering old 2 MB accounts? Did I miss the boat?

Ares45
Premium
join:2007-11-14
Toronto, ON
said by Mark2001 :

Any reason 2 MB was discontinued? Are they grandfathering old 2 MB accounts? Did I miss the boat?

That speed tier became obsolete years ago. If you don't use much, get the 75GB 6Mbps tier.

InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
kudos:5
reply to Mark2001
said by Mark2001 :

Any reason 2 MB was discontinued?

The wholesale Bell rates for 640k/512k, 2M/800k and 6M/800k are all $14.70/month so there is not much point in ISPs splitting hairs.

As for 3Mbps cable, that option is about to go away in Videotron-land. That tier is getting bumped from 3M/800k to 5/1 in the near future.


andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
kudos:1
reply to Crowbar10
I believe rogers is/has dumping 3 also and going 6mb for new users


MXB

join:2009-12-18
Burlington, ON
reply to rogersmogers
said by rogersmogers :

Faster = Better.

Wrong. Faster = More $. I'm not paying $5/mth extra.
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MXB

join:2009-12-18
Burlington, ON
Reviews:
·Bell Sympatico
reply to InvalidError
said by InvalidError:

said by Mark2001 :

Any reason 2 MB was discontinued?

The wholesale Bell rates for 640k/512k, 2M/800k and 6M/800k are all $14.70/month so there is not much point in ISPs splitting hairs.

Too bad I can't buy wholesale. So the 6 MB is a moneygrab/gouge by teksavvy. Good to know...
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01/01/01


Crowbar10

join:2009-06-23
Toronto , ON
said by MXB:

Too bad I can't buy wholesale. So the 6 MB is a moneygrab/gouge by teksavvy. Good to know...

HUH , how is it a moneygrab .....?

InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
kudos:5
reply to MXB
said by MXB:

Too bad I can't buy wholesale.

Wholesale legacy-GAS access at $14.70/month is useless without AHSSPI ($1750/port/month), CBB ($22500/Gbps/month), internet transit and a handful of other tariffed and support components needed to have working internet service, network admins, support staff, etc.

The Bell legacy-GAS port fee is the biggest single item in TSI's (or any other GAS ISP) per-subscriber costs but are far from being the only thing ISPs have to cover with their $25-35/month rates on mainstream plans.

On a subscriber paying $30/month, TSI's margin after Bell costs (what they have left to cover all non-Bell costs and profit) is on average under $7 per subscriber. Offering a 2Mbps plan for $2/month would directly cut into TSI's margin without reducing TSI's costs in any meaningful way.

said by MXB:

So the 6 MB is a moneygrab/gouge by teksavvy. Good to know...

Most other GAS ISPs have also given up on offering 640/512 and 2M/800 tiers, likely for the very same reason. Profit margins are already very thin, there is no point making them thinner still by offering an artificially lower priced service that costs practically the same to provide.


EdT

join:2009-06-12
Saint-Laurent, QC
reply to Crowbar10
Its a money grab if x% of the population's lines cannot handle speeds faster than 5Mb/s, so you have many that are paying for 6Mb/s profile while receiving only 3Mb/s due to something that is out of their control to fix ! I see ISP only increasing their speeds and monthly cost in the coming future while no one is forcing the telco to improve their infrastructure !


Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23
reply to Mark2001
So, if TekSavvy sold you a 2Mbps service for $30, you would feel that was a better value than a 6 Mbps service for $30?
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Taylortbb
Premium
join:2007-02-18
Kitchener, ON
reply to MXB
said by MXB:

said by InvalidError:

said by Mark2001 :

Any reason 2 MB was discontinued?

The wholesale Bell rates for 640k/512k, 2M/800k and 6M/800k are all $14.70/month so there is not much point in ISPs splitting hairs.

Too bad I can't buy wholesale. So the 6 MB is a moneygrab/gouge by teksavvy. Good to know...

TekSavvy isn't a reseller. That wholesale price is for the connection from your house to downtown Toronto. If you want actually access websites you need internet access, that's what TekSavvy does. The wholesale is like a leased line, it doesn't include any internet access. TekSavvy in addition to paying for the internet access also has to pay for call centre staff, routing equipment, servers for DNS/email/etc, and more.
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Taylor Byrnes


EdT

join:2009-06-12
Saint-Laurent, QC
reply to Guspaz
No, they should have a reduced pricing for lower speed profiles, everyone knows where this is heading with the increases in speed/price gimmick, soon you will be paying for 55Mb/s while your line can only take 8Mb/s !

lawrenson

join:2012-02-22
said by EdT:

No, they should have a reduced pricing for lower speed profiles, everyone knows where this is heading with the increases in speed/price gimmick, soon you will be paying for 55Mb/s while your line can only take 8Mb/s !

Bell destandardized the lower speeds last month (»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2012/ ··· -433.htm) and now the costs for any customers still on those are the exact same as 6 Mbps.

It's easy to say "this should cost less because it's slower", but it costs Teksavvy the exact same amount whether you're getting 640 Kbps or 6 Mbps so how are they going to offer it to you for less?

The only potential cost savings would be in capacity since you're not capable of using as much as someone getting the full 6 Mbps, but there wouldn't be a big enough difference to justify offering a new tier.


EdT

join:2009-06-12
Saint-Laurent, QC
I am not ditching TSI, more BHell and the CRTC !

This is sort of like the government forcing people to buy expensive 220kms+ faster cars and higher insurance premiums when you can only drive with a 30/kms speed limit !

The Mongoose

join:2010-01-05
Toronto, ON
If your goal is to stay at $24.95 a month, your options are to switch to TSI Cable or go with start.ca DSL...they still have the 2mbps plan. I would expect them to discontinue it too, though. Edit: It seems you may be in Quebec, which might mean the cable option isn't there after all.

There is a small and shrinking market for these ultra-low speeds, and as others have pointed out it makes little sense for most ISPs to offer them. In most cases, they would charge the same amount for 2mbps as for 6.

The percentage of Canadians living in areas unable to get 6mbps is probably not large enough for the ISPs to be too concerned about.

InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
kudos:5
reply to lawrenson
said by lawrenson:

Bell destandardized the lower speeds last month (»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2012/ ··· -433.htm) and now the costs for any customers still on those are the exact same as 6 Mbps.

The Bell tariffs for ADSL1 rates have been the same ($14.70) for about two years already.

Bell discontinuing those tariff items is a purely administrative formality at this point.