Re: Why oh why so many updates? Why I "like" Ubuntu

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Snakeoil Ignore Button. The coward's feature. Premium join:2000-08-05 Mentor, OH kudos:1 Reviews: ·RoadRunner Cable ·magicjack.com	reply to XCOM Re: Why oh why so many updates? Why I "like" Ubuntu For those of us, whose linus foo is weak, Ubuntu is a good way to get exposed. Many years ago, back when I owned a 486 PC, I tried Mandrake linux. It changed it's name a few years later. Anyhow, I was in over my head, and got frustrated with it. Ubuntu on the other hand, as it matures/ages, seems to get easier to use. I would like to learn how to do things the way the uber linux gurus do things, through the terminal. But, I find programming rather boring, and at times headache causing. And I find it nothing like, or close to Microsoft. -- Is a person a failure for doing nothing? Or is he a failure for trying, and not succeeding at what he is attempting to do? What did you fail at today?.
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XCOM digitalnUll Premium join:2002-06-10 Spring, TX Reviews: ·flowroute ·Comcast ·voip.ms ·Callcentric ·SIPBRI	said by Snakeoil: And I find it nothing like, or close to Microsoft. Click and go... click and go... -- [nUll@dcypher ~]$
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lugnut @look.ca 1 edit	said by XCOM: said by Snakeoil: And I find it nothing like, or close to Microsoft. Click and go... click and go... If you prefer to run your desktop from a CLI might I suggest a C64 or an Apple IIE or even DOS 5.1? If you need to muiltitask, you could even run Desqview I'm old enough to remember when Linux was simply Linux and ran from a couple of floppies. And a heartless, kludgy, unforgiving bitch of an OS it was too. I make no apologies for using a *buntu. It's NOT M$ and it gets the job done as easily as possible. That's WHY computers were invented in the first place. To make difficult jobs easier
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Snakeoil Ignore Button. The coward's feature. Premium join:2000-08-05 Mentor, OH kudos:1 Reviews: ·RoadRunner Cable ·magicjack.com	reply to XCOM So? If you such a linux uber, then why not host a skype chat and teach me how to use the linux terminal. I have found people willing to teach, but they charge monwy. And I don't have money. I fail to understand why you find it necessary to troll the thread. -- Is a person a failure for doing nothing? Or is he a failure for trying, and not succeeding at what he is attempting to do? What did you fail at today?.
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XCOM digitalnUll Premium join:2002-06-10 Spring, TX Reviews: ·flowroute ·Comcast ·voip.ms ·Callcentric ·SIPBRI	I am not trolling... just expressing how I feel about your thread "Linux and Microsoft". If people is charging you to teach you linux than you have bigger problems... I have help several users here in DSLR over remote sessions. I do not mind helping/teaching. But if you want me to help you... switch to a real Linux OS. IMOHO Ubuntu does nothing to help you learn Linux and that's my problem with Ubuntu. I know quite a few people who get stuck in this ubuntu limbo and have a hard time merging to other OS because of the complications "outside" the box... I just helped a friend install his nvidia card on his mint install... My recommendations to him after a few findings... Move away from this OS. When an OS is telling you that you don't need runlevels you are in a straight path to hell.... -- [nUll@dcypher ~]$
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jimkyle Btrieve Guy Premium join:2002-10-20 Oklahoma City, OK kudos:2 Reviews: ·AT&T Southwest	said by XCOM: When an OS is telling you that you don't need runlevels you are in a straight path to hell.... So does this mean that you dislike Debian just as much? While they do handle runlevels during the boot process (as do all flavors of Ubuntu and Mint) they make no distinction between 2, 3, 4, and 5. All four of those do exactly the same thing. I agree that out of the box, Ubuntu itself is a bit TOO simplified and seems to be getting moreso at each 6-month upgrade. However under the hood it's simply Debian with a minimal amount of tweaking, and anyone who wants to actually learn POSIX-compliant systems be they BSD, Linux, or Unix itself, can do so on any distribution that complies with the standard. When you replace the current default GUI with one that's much less of a nanny (such as XFCE), you have a system that can do serious work easily. Of course, one could always go to LFS (Linux From Scratch) and build one's very own distribution. The author of LFS helped me greatly when I was stumbling through the help that Mandrake tried to give -- but I'd certainly hate to try to guide a newcomer through the agony of debugging one's own compiled-from-scratch kernel! -- Jim Kyle
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XCOM digitalnUll Premium join:2002-06-10 Spring, TX Reviews: ·flowroute ·Comcast ·voip.ms ·Callcentric ·SIPBRI	reply to lugnut said by lugnut : said by XCOM: said by Snakeoil: And I find it nothing like, or close to Microsoft. Click and go... click and go... If you prefer to run your desktop from a CLI might I suggest a C64 or an Apple IIE or even DOS 5.1? If you need to muiltitask, you could even run Desqview I'm old enough to remember when Linux was simply Linux and ran from a couple of floppies. And a heartless, kludgy, unforgiving bitch of an OS it was too. I make no apologies for using a *buntu. It's NOT M$ and it gets the job done as easily as possible. That's WHY computers were invented in the first place. To make difficult jobs easier Linux is not about running a terminal. You only assumed that. When I say click and go I mean they give you the power to work the terminal. Learn how to grow from a user to your own administrator. -- [nUll@dcypher ~]$
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XCOM digitalnUll Premium join:2002-06-10 Spring, TX Reviews: ·flowroute ·Comcast ·voip.ms ·Callcentric ·SIPBRI	reply to jimkyle said by jimkyle: said by XCOM: When an OS is telling you that you don't need runlevels you are in a straight path to hell.... So does this mean that you dislike Debian just as much? While they do handle runlevels during the boot process (as do all flavors of Ubuntu and Mint) they make no distinction between 2, 3, 4, and 5. All four of those do exactly the same thing. I agree that out of the box, Ubuntu itself is a bit TOO simplified and seems to be getting moreso at each 6-month upgrade. However under the hood it's simply Debian with a minimal amount of tweaking, and anyone who wants to actually learn POSIX-compliant systems be they BSD, Linux, or Unix itself, can do so on any distribution that complies with the standard. When you replace the current default GUI with one that's much less of a nanny (such as XFCE), you have a system that can do serious work easily. Of course, one could always go to LFS (Linux From Scratch) and build one's very own distribution. The author of LFS helped me greatly when I was stumbling through the help that Mandrake tried to give -- but I'd certainly hate to try to guide a newcomer through the agony of debugging one's own compiled-from-scratch kernel! Funny you say that. I actually dont hate Debian. I like Debian I used Debian up too 4.0.... And I know that the underneath OS is Debian. Back when I used Debian dropping X was not an issue. Dropping to runlevel 3 (no X running) was a simple task. Now this new OS make you go through Hell to try and get a simple shell. O wait hold on X died we need to respawn!. su - worked as it should sudo was an option and was not mandatory. I was not forced to be a user.... To me any OS that dictates what you should do or be is out for me. That's just the way I feel. I have the control and I tell it what I need. The system works for me... I don't for work for it. I don't need automation of package's. I want to understand what library I need and why. I want to run ./configure, make, make install and see it compiled and work how it should. At the end that's what make Linux beautiful -- [nUll@dcypher ~]$
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scrummie02 Bentley Premium join:2004-04-16 Arlington, VA Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS ·Comcast	reply to XCOM said by XCOM: I am not trolling... just expressing how I feel about your thread "Linux and Microsoft". If people is charging you to teach you linux than you have bigger problems... I have help several users here in DSLR over remote sessions. I do not mind helping/teaching. But if you want me to help you... switch to a real Linux OS. IMOHO Ubuntu does nothing to help you learn Linux and that's my problem with Ubuntu. I know quite a few people who get stuck in this ubuntu limbo and have a hard time merging to other OS because of the complications "outside" the box... I just helped a friend install his nvidia card on his mint install... My recommendations to him after a few findings... Move away from this OS. When an OS is telling you that you don't need runlevels you are in a straight path to hell.... What is a "real" Linux OS? CentOS? Redhat? Slackware? LFS? Why not drop that and get a "real OS" like FreeBSD or HP/UX or AIX - hell screw them even, go Plan9. That's a rather arrogant comment to make -- "He's a politician. It's like being a hooker. You can't be one unless you can pretend to like people while you're f*cking them." General Welfare
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XCOM digitalnUll Premium join:2002-06-10 Spring, TX	Mhhhh I guess it is. -- [nUll@dcypher ~]$
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Maxo Your tax dollars at work. Premium,VIP join:2002-11-04 Tallahassee, FL	said by XCOM: Ubuntu is a bastardized linux version of Microsoft. said by XCOM: I am not trolling Posting an off topic criticism which can only lead to the degradation of the thread away from the help the user sought is trolling.
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XCOM digitalnUll Premium join:2002-06-10 Spring, TX Reviews: ·flowroute ·Comcast ·voip.ms ·Callcentric ·SIPBRI	said by Maxo: said by XCOM: Ubuntu is a bastardized linux version of Microsoft. said by XCOM: I am not trolling Posting an off topic criticism which can only lead to the degradation of the thread away from the help the user sought is trolling. I am sorry but I fail to see how. It all started with this Ubuntu is better than Microsoft. -- [nUll@dcypher ~]$
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grunze510 join:2009-02-14 Cote Saint-Luc, QC kudos:1	said by XCOM: said by Maxo: said by XCOM: Ubuntu is a bastardized linux version of Microsoft. said by XCOM: I am not trolling Posting an off topic criticism which can only lead to the degradation of the thread away from the help the user sought is trolling. I am sorry but I fail to see how. It all started with this Ubuntu is better than Microsoft. The correct answer is, the best OS is the one that's right for you. For lots of people, it's Windows, for many, it's Ubuntu, for others, it may be Slackware. And the OP was giving his opinion on why he finds Ubuntu is right for him.
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signmeuptoo Thank you Yankees Premium join:2001-11-22 NanoParticle kudos:4 Reviews: ·Comcast ·Optimum Online ·callwithus	This! Not everyone is smart in the same things. And while I understand xcom's comments, and appreciate how he/she feels, it does seem afield of the OP's focus. Look at cars. Some will say a car with an automatic tranny is not a real car. Whatev. The world is full of variety and any OS pluralistic enough to come in various distros to suite various types of people is a OS for me. -- Join Teams Helix and Discovery. Rest in Peace, Leonard David Smith, my best friend, you are missed badly! Rest in peace, Pop, glad our last years were good. Please pray for Colin, he has ependymoma, a brain cancer, donate to a children's Hospital.
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Maxo Your tax dollars at work. Premium,VIP join:2002-11-04 Tallahassee, FL	reply to XCOM said by XCOM: said by Maxo: said by XCOM: Ubuntu is a bastardized linux version of Microsoft. said by XCOM: I am not trolling Posting an off topic criticism which can only lead to the degradation of the thread away from the help the user sought is trolling. I am sorry but I fail to see how. It all started with this Ubuntu is better than Microsoft. Perhaps in the light of comparing OSes then I may have mispoke. I think the benefits that Snakeoil was toting really aren't benefits of Ubuntu necessarily, but are common among Linux distributions with a proper package management system. It would certainly be more constructive to note that the same benefits exist for a wide variety of Linux distributions, then to engage in the hyperbole innate in comparing a popular open-source Linux flavor that is developed in an open environment, to a company that produces proprietary software developed in a traditional closed environment. -- "Padre, nobody said war was fun now bowl!" - Sherman T Potter »maxolasersquad.com/ »maxolasersquad.blogspot.com »www.facebook.com/maxolasersquad
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howardfine join:2002-08-09 Saint Louis, MO Reviews: ·AT&T Southwest	reply to Maxo said by Maxo: said by XCOM: Ubuntu is a bastardized linux version of Microsoft. said by XCOM: I am not trolling Posting an off topic criticism which can only lead to the degradation of the thread away from the help the user sought is trolling. If anyone replied in kind on the Microsoft forum the post would be deleted immediately.
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XCOM digitalnUll Premium join:2002-06-10 Spring, TX	Well this the Unix forum singmeuptoo & Maxo.. Got it.... Ill just stand down before I get burned. -- [nUll@dcypher ~]$
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El Quintron Resident Mouth Breather Premium join:2008-04-28 Etobicoke, ON kudos:2 Reviews: ·TekSavvy DSL ·WIND Mobile ·voip.ms	reply to howardfine said by howardfine: If anyone replied in kind on the Microsoft forum the post would be deleted immediately. Even though comments towards the OP were trollish, I think most people here are friendly enough and smart enough to "sort it out" without a lot of mod intervention. The Microsoft forum probably has 10 if not 100 times the posters that this forum does, making a hard stance practically required. -- Support Bacteria -- It's the Only Culture Some People Have
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El Quintron Resident Mouth Breather Premium join:2008-04-28 Etobicoke, ON kudos:2 Reviews: ·TekSavvy DSL ·WIND Mobile ·voip.ms	reply to XCOM said by XCOM: Well this the Unix forum singmeuptoo & Maxo.. Got it.... Ill just stand down before I get burned. No worries. I don't think your comments were malicious and I don't think anyone else here included the OP took much offense. I'm not a veteran of this forum so I can't speak for way back, but I've seen much worse flame wars than what just happened here. -- Support Bacteria -- It's the Only Culture Some People Have
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XCOM digitalnUll Premium join:2002-06-10 Spring, TX Reviews: ·flowroute ·Comcast ·voip.ms ·Callcentric ·SIPBRI	said by El Quintron: said by XCOM: Well this the Unix forum singmeuptoo & Maxo.. Got it.... Ill just stand down before I get burned. No worries. I don't think your comments were malicious and I don't think anyone else here included the OP took much offense. I'm not a veteran of this forum so I can't speak for way back, but I've seen much worse flame wars than what just happened here. Truly I was not.. I was just expressing how I felt and my point of view on the matter... I guess some did take it a bit personal and I am standing down Take care! -- [nUll@dcypher ~]$
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