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XNemesis

join:2002-11-16
Kitchener, ON

[Cable] Faster Cable tiers?

Any updates on when the faster Roger's tiers will be made available to TSI?


AOD
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said by XNemesis:

Any updates on when the faster Roger's tiers will be made available to TSI?

I would love to know if they even get the 150/10 tier.


Taylortbb
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Kitchener, ON
reply to XNemesis
From what I've heard (but I haven't confirmed this myself) they'll only come after TekSavvy switches to aggregated. Which is in progress but an expensive and complex transition. I think still waiting on the CRTC relating to interconnect pricing.
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Taylor Byrnes


creed3020
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That sounds correct. It has obviously been some time since those hearings at the CRTC but I do remember that being the outcome.

It does make sense from a network topology perspective and provides an incentive for providers to with the APOI.

I'm perfectly happy with my 28/1 and the only thing I would like is more upload which by the looks of things will be here before Christmas.

mlord

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said by creed3020:

That sounds correct. It has obviously been some time since those hearings at the CRTC but I do remember that being the outcome.

It does make sense from a network topology perspective and provides an incentive for providers to with the APOI

And unfortunately it would also mean routing all Teksavvy traffic through the Rogers equipment that is used to spy on and throttle Rogers customers. Guess what the odds are of those same things happening to Teksavvy customers afterward.


yyzUnderdog
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join:2001-11-24
Mississauga, ON
reply to creed3020
said by creed3020:

I'm perfectly happy with my 28/1 and the only thing I would like is more upload which by the looks of things will be here before Christmas.

I am in the same camp - my download speed is fine. Its upload that gets swamped. When you say things will get here before Christmas - what do you mean? I haven't been following this development.

Thanks.
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-Tim

eeeaddict

join:2010-02-14
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reply to XNemesis
I don't think they wil get any higher speed even on the apoi (except maybe 32/7) this is because 1gigabit from rogers to teksavvy is a few THOUSAND dollars, imagine if 10 customers max out their connection for a while that would totally use up the link and would cost TS way more than those 10 people would pay them.

xdrag

join:2005-02-18
North York, ON
said by eeeaddict:

I don't think they wil get any higher speed even on the apoi (except maybe 32/7) this is because 1gigabit from rogers to teksavvy is a few THOUSAND dollars, imagine if 10 customers max out their connection for a while that would totally use up the link and would cost TS way more than those 10 people would pay them.

untrue. there's always the economics of running the service. They can always offer the service but at what price that will be profitable and attractive.

the 150/10 isn't for your average home users. You're looking at $122+ per month. Moreover, i believe rogers will have to keep tabs on how much these users download.

With APOI the links could be a lot cheaper to install since everything is centralized.


creed3020
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reply to yyzUnderdog
Well Rogers is getting their network into shape for this through enabling channel bonding on their cable nods. D3 modems can take advantage of this to provide further upstream. There are already many Rogers customers who have gotten the higher upload speeds or just asked for it! »Rogers Upstream Bonding

Once Rogers rolls it out officially to their clients and updates their products TPIAs will also likely get the bump as it is Rogers that pushes the upgrades out. My guess so far as been that with so many reports of different areas of Ontario getting upstream bonding that ability to roll out the higher speeds can't be too too far away.


XNemesis

join:2002-11-16
Kitchener, ON
reply to XNemesis
I checked out the 150Mb package from rogers...wow, only 250Gb for that speed. I wonder what the reasoning is for such measly caps? Is it that much more expensive to offer even double that or is it even a matter of price?

geokilla

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said by Taylortbb:

From what I've heard (but I haven't confirmed this myself) they'll only come after TekSavvy switches to aggregated. Which is in progress but an expensive and complex transition. I think still waiting on the CRTC relating to interconnect pricing.

Teksavvy wants to delay the switch to Aggregated POI IIRC... I'd rather pay more so they can get the switch done sooner. Doesn't make sense to continue to expand an old technology when the switch to Aggregated POI has to be done sooner or later.

said by XNemesis:

I checked out the 150Mb package from rogers...wow, only 250Gb for that speed. I wonder what the reasoning is for such measly caps? Is it that much more expensive to offer even double that or is it even a matter of price?

Why do you think Robellus now charges $73/$75 for more or less the same 6GB Super Plan that they offered last month for around $60?

eeeaddict

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reply to xdrag
that is true that they can charge more but tbh anything less than a few hundered dollars a month would probably be risky/unprofitable (seeing as most likely anyone willing to pay for that speed will probably use a lot more bandwith) also even with the aopi its still rediculously expensive for a gigabit link several thousand a month actually add that the the cost rogers charges for the subscribers link to rogers (the actual cable line) and all the other various tipa fees and you will either have to oversubscribe like crazy or you'd have to have caps on something so fast


creed3020
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reply to XNemesis
said by XNemesis:

I checked out the 150Mb package from rogers...wow, only 250Gb for that speed. I wonder what the reasoning is for such measly caps? Is it that much more expensive to offer even double that or is it even a matter of price?

Yeah that cap is a joke. It can be hit in under 4 hours at full speed.


XNemesis

join:2002-11-16
Kitchener, ON
reply to XNemesis
Shaw's caps make more sense do they not? Do they not offer 500GB and 1TB?


Taylortbb
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reply to eeeaddict
said by eeeaddict:

that is true that they can charge more but tbh anything less than a few hundered dollars a month would probably be risky/unprofitable (seeing as most likely anyone willing to pay for that speed will probably use a lot more bandwith) also even with the aopi its still rediculously expensive for a gigabit link several thousand a month actually add that the the cost rogers charges for the subscribers link to rogers (the actual cable line) and all the other various tipa fees and you will either have to oversubscribe like crazy or you'd have to have caps on something so fast

From what's been posted here I believe that even with 28/1 TekSavvy needs about 1Mb/s per user. The oversubscription ratios are quite good. A 100Mb/s+ plan might not be available in unlimited, but there's no reason they couldn't do 300GB and 800GB options.
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xdrag

join:2005-02-18
North York, ON
said by Taylortbb:

said by eeeaddict:

that is true that they can charge more but tbh anything less than a few hundered dollars a month would probably be risky/unprofitable (seeing as most likely anyone willing to pay for that speed will probably use a lot more bandwith) also even with the aopi its still rediculously expensive for a gigabit link several thousand a month actually add that the the cost rogers charges for the subscribers link to rogers (the actual cable line) and all the other various tipa fees and you will either have to oversubscribe like crazy or you'd have to have caps on something so fast

From what's been posted here I believe that even with 28/1 TekSavvy needs about 1Mb/s per user. The oversubscription ratios are quite good. A 100Mb/s+ plan might not be available in unlimited, but there's no reason they couldn't do 300GB and 800GB options.

he brought up a good point. No everyone is maxing their connection at all times. you have balance between light users and heavy users. The end point you need to look for is peak congestion.

they could offer 100meg tiers and 5 are lighter users and 5 are heavy users. the average load would be the same as if they are regular users.

it's true that if there's an uneven ratio of super heavy users that cogs up the network it'll cost more money to maintain with upgrades and links. In the end, TSI will charge everyone more. They can still offer it but it depends on how much and what are people willing to pay.

Once people decide it's too expensive AND TSI starts losing money on the service, that's when TSI cannot offer the service.


ChuckcZar

@teksavvy.com
reply to xdrag
Rogers speeds have fallen behind almost all third world countries. 150/10 is still a joke but at least it will start to close the 20 year gap Canada is behind the rest of the world.

funny0

join:2010-12-22
reply to mlord
said by mlord:

said by creed3020:

That sounds correct. It has obviously been some time since those hearings at the CRTC but I do remember that being the outcome.

It does make sense from a network topology perspective and provides an incentive for providers to with the APOI

And unfortunately it would also mean routing all Teksavvy traffic through the Rogers equipment that is used to spy on and throttle Rogers customers. Guess what the odds are of those same things happening to Teksavvy customers afterward.

hence why you dont buy into it PERIOD

funny0

join:2010-12-22
reply to XNemesis
said by XNemesis:

I checked out the 150Mb package from rogers...wow, only 250Gb for that speed. I wonder what the reasoning is for such measly caps? Is it that much more expensive to offer even double that or is it even a matter of price?

RIGHT ON MAN 27 minutes of internet before you get an overage and pay lose your house and mortgage to pay rogers OH CAN I SIGN UP FOR THAT?

funny0

join:2010-12-22
reply to creed3020
said by creed3020:

said by XNemesis:

I checked out the 150Mb package from rogers...wow, only 250Gb for that speed. I wonder what the reasoning is for such measly caps? Is it that much more expensive to offer even double that or is it even a matter of price?

Yeah that cap is a joke. It can be hit in under 4 hours at full speed.

250,000 megabytes time 8 = 2 million megabits /150 = seconds
222 minutes of net use OR just over 3 hrs
considering i can buy a 4tb a month dedicated 100 megabit for less then you pay a month well i guess they are over charging....and don't forget bibics admission that iptv goes over the same net and they charged 9.99 for essentially a unmetered 25/7 megabit service
so it costs very very little to profit from.

graniterock
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reply to Taylortbb
If TSI ever finds things getting rough in the dollars for bandwidth department they should run a "get your grandma*" switched over to teksavvy. Other than the whole she was too old for the year field fiasco (that thread got lost with the site crash... for those who were wondering I was posting in good humour as a friendly poke towards the TSI guys. Humour / Melodrama gets lost on boards sometimes.) She's loved the internet and is likely using under 5 GB a month.

*or other low bandwidth family or friend