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cymraeg
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join:2011-06-07
Dodge, NE
reply to Skittles

Re: Theramore's Fall Unlocked Today, September 17th

undercity sucks balls not to navigate but to run around, go down these stairs go out that hallway run halfway around the place to the rogues quarter, run back to FP its just a big pita
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Skittles
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join:2011-03-31

/agreed.

I was just jerking his chain...



Adalicia
Om Nom Nom

join:2009-10-13
Lincoln, NE
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reply to Skittles

said by Skittles:

said by mettachain:

It is Garrosh's arrogant, power hungry, warmongering that started this all, but the Horde agreed to follow the "Warchief" and therefore this code of honor, at least in strategic and operational wargaming, seems to be out the window. It's a "win at all costs" and the rest of Horde are not innocent bystanders while Garrosh orders the destruction of the Alliance with a side of mana-bomb.

This I see your point of view. But again I say, I dont think this jibes with the the Horde code of honor, this progression of the storyline seems odd alomost analogous with 1930/40s Germany. This is definitely not the Horde of Cairne, Vol'Jin and Thrall.

Lastly, just because a group (or horde) is complicit in their leaders actions it doesnt make it any less cowardly.

Vol'jin is honorable but he is also the most brilliant military tactician the Horde has. Seriously, he'll disagree with the way it was accomplished, probably vehemently, but he won't argue with the results from a cost and effect slant. That said, he still won't agree with the way it was carried out but certainly will have a hard time displacing the reason and effectiveness of the campaign.
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saillaw
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join:2007-05-08
Dismay
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reply to Immer

At least the Alliance cities are all 1d, it's the 3d part of Org, under city, and TB that make them so confusing IMHO.

And as for the transmog value of the new drops, virtually none, all reskins of lvl20ish greens.

The whole thing really feels as if the designers were just checking a box with the bare minimum required effort.
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Suniojii

join:2009-10-31
Lakeside, CA

IMHO the Theramore's Fail scenario was really, really dumb. Lame cutscene at the end and worthless loot that would have been obsolete months ago much less a week from Xpac. The only purpose I guess is to just do it for time which does not appeal to me at all.



Venom1

join:2011-10-21
Augusta, GA
reply to Jobbie

said by Jobbie:

said by Mike:

I don't suspect alliance will do too well in that instance.

It took me 2 weeks to learn that layout and undercity (kind of).

Well Garrosh's office is just straight from the main entrance. On previous patches it was harder to get to Thrall.

you obviously never tried the back door. Thrall's chamber's were closer to that gate than Garrosh's is to the front door.
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Immer
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Evans, GA
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reply to Suniojii

I still need to run 5 more toons through...



Jobbie
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reply to Venom1

said by Venom1:

said by Jobbie:

said by Mike:

I don't suspect alliance will do too well in that instance.

It took me 2 weeks to learn that layout and undercity (kind of).

Well Garrosh's office is just straight from the main entrance. On previous patches it was harder to get to Thrall.

you obviously never tried the back door. Thrall's chamber's were closer to that gate than Garrosh's is to the front door.

Exactly, never played alliance before and whenever I saw a Thrall raid they would all come from the front entrance coming from Razor Hill that way is longer than it is today
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Judge a man by the trials of his shield, not the empty reaping of his sword.


Skittles
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join:2011-03-31
reply to Adalicia

said by Adalicia:

Seriously, he'll disagree with the way it was accomplished, probably vehemently, but he won't argue with the results from a cost and effect slant. That said, he still won't agree with the way it was carried out but certainly will have a hard time displacing the reason and effectiveness of the campaign.

That isnt what I get from his reaction at all. After, he learns of Garroash's true intent and the mana bomb he is disgusted, he leaves for Echo Isles and is not happy with the use of a mana bomb to the point that he begins to question his continued support of Garrosh.

Whether something is Militarily sound does not mean it is honorable and above being revolted by it, enough to distance yourself from the perpetrator due to a breech of one's moral ethic....honestly you cant argue with Hitler's military strategy in taking Poland or even the more recently the use but chemical warfare in modern battles but those events cause one's allies to abhor your tactics and withdraw support.

More than likely I envision him being the one that directly helps kill Garrosh in the final Raid of MoP much like Trion with the Lich King.

as he has already stated that he "will be there to end Garrosh´s rule swiftly and silently."


Adalicia
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join:2009-10-13
Lincoln, NE
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You're parroting shit I was saying two years ago. Lore nerd, remember? Never said he'd approve, in fact, said he'd argue against it vehemently, look it up if it slipped by, but from a cost and effect standpoint, something that Vol'jin is a master of understanding, even if he is disgusted by it he can appreciate (for lack of better word) the results.

Vol'jin and Cairne were and are the two most honor bound centric figures in the Horde, I don't need a lession in how they think or thought. You can appreciate the effectiveness of something while still disagreeing with it and from a tactical standpoint this is a fine example. Does the end justify the means? No, but you want the major Alliance foothold removed, its strategic value difficult to really describe, and you want to do so with the least amount of cost to you.
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djlar

join:2009-04-23
799228
reply to Immer

said by Immer:

I still need to run 5 more toons through...

Just remember this is an account wide achievement, you just need to run it on one toon and all your toons (level 85) will get the feat of str..

I got bored on my second toon, that's my lowbie geared lock, hoping for some gear, I guess I keep running heroics/LFRs instead (too little too late maybe)


Caelharrad

join:2012-04-13
Fenton, MO
reply to Suniojii

said by Suniojii:

IMHO the Theramore's Fail scenario was really, really dumb. Lame cutscene at the end and worthless loot that would have been obsolete months ago much less a week from Xpac. The only purpose I guess is to just do it for time which does not appeal to me at all.

Agreed that the scenario was pretty lackluster; run around, kill some stuff... kill some more stuff... grab a flag, kill this tank, et cetera. The cutscenes weren't particularly well-done, the overall feel was less "HOLY CRAP THERAMORE IS UNDER ATTACK YOU MUST FIGHT TO SURVIVE", and more, "we have semi-randomly placed several dozen mobs within Theramore, please leisurely walk around and kill a few if it pleases you".
...
I do disagree with your point about "worthless/obsolete loot", however. First off, there are going to be some freshly dinged L85 alts running this - for them, a ilvl 384 purple is an upgrade. Secondly - for as easy as this scenario is - would you WANT it to grant loot that was equal to raid gear? In my opinion, having this scenario grant ilvl 384 gear is FAR too generous. I would have thought that going with ivl around 346 or 359 would have been plenty - especially if the gear had some awesome new look that would have made it attractive for transmogging.


Immer
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reply to Adalicia

said by Adalicia:

Vol'jin and Cairne were and are the two most honor bound centric figures in the Horde

I respect the tauren as kindred spirits... the trolls... I have respect for them, but it's like the respect you give a grizzly bear.

djlar

join:2009-04-23
799228
reply to Caelharrad

The loot is "generous" because you'll have to run this dozens of times, maybe hundreds to get all the loot you want, Vs. 2-3 runs of the heroics... you'll end up with hundreds of flares at the end and awful looking gear (they don't even make an effort to make it look cool)



Skittles
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reply to Adalicia

said by Adalicia:

You're parroting shit I was saying two years ago. Lore nerd, remember? Never said he'd approve, in fact, said he'd argue against it vehemently, look it up if it slipped by, but from a cost and effect standpoint, something that Vol'jin is a master of understanding, even if he is disgusted by it he can appreciate (for lack of better word) the results.

Vol'jin and Cairne were and are the two most honor bound centric figures in the Horde, I don't need a lession in how they think or thought. You can appreciate the effectiveness of something while still disagreeing with it and from a tactical standpoint this is a fine example. Does the end justify the means? No, but you want the major Alliance foothold removed, its strategic value difficult to really describe, and you want to do so with the least amount of cost to you.

First of all, take a damn chill pill. Second I know who you are on this board and am well aware of your Lore Nerd status.

I wasnt parroting shit nor was I lecturing you. I was disagreeing with your assessment. Just because you are a lore nerd doesnt not make you nigh above being engaged in a disagreement about Vol'Jin ...get the fuck over yourself.

I specically stated in my reply (dont want this to slip by) that while something may be strategic does not make it above insulting a person's (or in this case a Troll's) moral code to the point where his support of your actions would dwindle.

Yes, does Horde want the foothold gone? Yes. Does Vol'jin want this at the cost of his honor ?(using a mana bomb to try and kill those who show up to help is akin to a terrorist setting off a secondary bomb on first responders)...I say the answer is no. Time will prove whether I am wrong about this, but I think I am not.


Adalicia
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The irony of telling me to chill and following it up with all that is so deliciously decadent that it could be drizzled over pancakes. I'll respond in full once I'm at home and not trying to accomplish this via my phone.
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Expand your moderator at work


Nick D
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join:2010-02-04
Orange, CA

Re: Theramore's Fall Unlocked Today, September 17th

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=Teaft0Kg-Ok


Shit now I'm hungry.

Wait, its lunch break time?

IHOP OR BUST


Skittles
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join:2011-03-31

LOL



Suniojii

join:2009-10-31
Lakeside, CA
reply to Immer

I do like my mini mana bomb from though. I guess it was somewhat worth 10mins of time.


Jodokast

join:2012-05-10

I dont get why so many of you are crying over a simple 10 minute run, its quick, easy, decent rewards and pretty entertaining

Try to remember, you are playing a GAME, its meant to be fun
and im guessing all the "scenarios" are going to be tailored to be this way, I for one had a fun time doing it.



Immer
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Evans, GA
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Its like judging the dining experience by the decor in the foyer leading up to the Host/Hostess stand. Sure, you haven't seen the menu or eaten the first appetizer, but you feel compelled to start judging the first thing you see.



Nick D
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join:2010-02-04
Orange, CA

We're just human.

Or are we dancers?



DarkLogix
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Baytown, TX
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reply to mettachain

said by mettachain:

I suppose Dark. Is that what it says?

Did the US lose against Japan when we dropped two "mana" bombs on them? Did we tuck and run? You don't create something like that to use only in a "cowardly manner."

No the US didn't fail and then resort to it.
the horde admited they'd completely lost


DarkLogix
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reply to Mike

said by Mike:

Here is the horde side;

Plant bombs on 5 ships, kill some random trash mobs with 40k hp. Kill some tank thing, blow up other tanks. Kill the guy in charge of the Barracks. Loot key, free the spy, teleport to orgrimmar. Cut screen to Goblin airship bombing Theramore. End.

Yes. That's all there is.

Theres even more in the book

Kltpzyxm

join:2009-04-30
Rochester, NY
reply to Nick D

Nice


Vinceruos_t

join:2012-05-04
reply to Immer

So I guess Ghostcrawler said that this wasnt supposed to be the pre-launch expansion event. Has anyone heard anything about any other pre-launch event going on this week? If there was going to be one wouldnt it have been out already?


cymraeg
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Dodge, NE

nope not here



Harddrive
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reply to Vinceruos_t

The pre-launch event is a cinematic running while the final download is taking place. It shows a monk taking away a hunter's melee weapons, then using said melee weapons to nerf a mage.



Immer
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lol... epic cinema