Topic 'Re: it'd be funny if...' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27531381 en Mon, 20 May 2013 23:50:28 EDT Mon, 20 May 2013 23:50:28 EDT Re: it'd be funny if... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27534553 said by alchav:

Google still doesn't have a Plan for that Last Mile, and all you guys here think just drop the Fiber from the closes Pole! That's not a Plan, that's ugly disaster waiting to happen!

That is precisely what ATT and TimeWarner do now. And I don't see why they would do it any differently for Fiber.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27534553 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:35:23 EDT Re: it'd be funny if... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27533466 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27533466 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:25:37 EDT Re: it'd be funny if... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27533377 said by Crookshanks:

said by elray:

Verizon has proven this for years with Fios.

I think you meant to say DSL?

Concur with the sentiment of your post. Once you get over 3mbit/s it's really gravy to the average user. They don't notice a difference. The only users who might are those who are interested in HD streaming, but the last time I checked that can be accomplished at 5mbit/s on Netflix, so once again, these double digit speeds are unnecessary for most.

What's going to suck is I can see the MSOs eliminating the slower tiers in the future. This is essentially what the wireless carriers are doing with voice plans, and it doesn't require a huge leap of faith to see the same happening with broadband. Offer a crippled product at today's prices (say 1mbit/s for $40/mo), an excessive product that most don't need for much more (50mbit/s for $70/mo), with nothing in between, then roll around naked in the resulting pile of cash like Scrooge McDuck.

No, I mean Fios.

Verizon can't achieve much more than 30% penetration with Fios. The super-majority of potential customers aren't willing to pay the premium they charge. This has been consistent for seven years.

Google, EPB, et al, aren't going to achieve any greater subscription levels if they're charging $60-70/month for standalone broadband, in a marketplace where the MSO has a $20-40 option, or the Telco has a decent copper offering.

Not until those higher speeds become useful to Mom.

As for "rolling in cash", I think if you put aside the hyperbole, and instead, examined the annual returns, you would find that profit margins at the large MSOs and telcos isn't that spectacular year to year - and if it is, why don't you own their stock?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27533377 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:03:20 EDT Re: it'd be funny if... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27533306 said by elray:

Verizon has proven this for years with Fios.

I think you meant to say DSL?

Concur with the sentiment of your post. Once you get over 3mbit/s it's really gravy to the average user. They don't notice a difference. The only users who might are those who are interested in HD streaming, but the last time I checked that can be accomplished at 5mbit/s on Netflix, so once again, these double digit speeds are unnecessary for most.

What's going to suck is I can see the MSOs eliminating the slower tiers in the future. This is essentially what the wireless carriers are doing with voice plans, and it doesn't require a huge leap of faith to see the same happening with broadband. Offer a crippled product at today's prices (say 1mbit/s for $40/mo), an excessive product that most don't need for much more (50mbit/s for $70/mo), with nothing in between, then roll around naked in the resulting pile of cash like Scrooge McDuck.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27533306 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:44:00 EDT Re: it'd be funny if... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27533233
They aren't offering free building access for TWC to house their equipment.

Or that the price is just a loss leader for promotion?

So technically, it is not a competitive price, if you factor in the costs it would actually take to deliver this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27533233 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:27:53 EDT Re: it'd be funny if... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27533102 said by me1212:

You do realize that the so called fibre costs are about what tw charges for 50mb right?

Yes, of course.

Do you realize that most households aren't interested in paying $70/month for broadband?

Most households don't require 50mbit, or 20mbit - they're happy with 3Mbit, so fiber isn't the issue you think it is. Verizon has proven this for years with Fios.

The households I've converted over the past few years are coming from DSL speeds of 80-144kbps (and less!). 3-7M cable (typical offering) blows them away.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27533102 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:50:14 EDT Re: it'd be funny if... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27533050 said by osravens:

Really? How much will 10/1 internet and basic digital cable cost you from TWC? I bet you more than $120 unless you're on a yearly promo.

Sorry, but promos are the way of the world. I don't like it either, but we manage to use them year after year to achieve reasonable pricing.

We disconnected basic cable years ago when things went digital, and we haven't looked back since. IF we were to order same, today, we would get "basic digital cable" and 10/1 service for $60/month with a 1-year price guarantee, after which it would more than double if we didn't renegotiate.

I experience similar offerings for Cox and Charter in nearby areas; Comcast is more difficult, always has been, makes U-Verse seem competitive.

We currently pay $30/month for 10/1 with a 1-year price guarantee. We can downgrade to 3/1 for $20/month.

We have a 10Gbit fiber ring six feet from my door that my tax money paid for over a decade now, but neither the Muni nor AT&T will let us access it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27533050 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:41:44 EDT Re: it'd be funny if... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27532947 said by Chiyo:

Sadly I think she is right.

I think she's right too.

said by Chiyo:

I think we are stuck with what we have and won't be seeing any national fiber deployments anytime soon. I hope I'm wrong but we'll see.

Agreed, unless you can get investors on board with a decent return on investment, or government paying the full bill, you are very correct.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27532947 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:16:44 EDT Re: it'd be funny if... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27532919 said by brad:

said by elray:

Google is not offering a competitive product.

You either smoke some good shit or have some serious mental issues.

Never one to mince words are ya? ;)
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only a minority population is willing to pay the price for fiber speeds.

today, perhaps.
but it's silly to build infrastructure that will be outdated by tomorrow.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27532857 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:52:29 EDT Re: it'd be funny if... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27532804 said by neufuse:

google came out and said, we have plans to deploy to all major cities within 10 years or something... see what Verizon, TWC, and Comcast do then... even if google doesn't it'd in the end after saying it, it would still whip them up into an oh crap what do we do frenzy

Google did say that years ago, and to this day they still don't have a good Plan for Fiber deployment. Verizon is the only one that has a good Fiber Plan, and now they are even going to raise their prices. If you want lots of Fast Bandwidth, Verizon is about the only show in town with good FTTH. Google still doesn't have a Plan for that Last Mile, and all you guys here think just drop the Fiber from the closes Pole! That's not a Plan, that's ugly disaster waiting to happen!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27532804 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:36:00 EDT Re: it'd be funny if... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27532662 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27532662 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:00:40 EDT Re: it'd be funny if... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27532619 said by elray:

Google is not offering a competitive product.

You either smoke some good shit or have some serious mental issues.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27532619 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:49:42 EDT Re: it'd be funny if... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27532510 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27532510 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:20:40 EDT Re: it'd be funny if... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27532366 said by Skippy25:

Please ship me some of what you are smoking as I want to go through life being as delusional as you.

It's called "shill-weed" and it only grows in corporate boardrooms and PR offices. The stuff is garbage anyways... ;)
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Google is not offering a competitive product.

Time Warner has little to worry about unless Google un-bundles its TV tier and substantially lowers prices.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27531944 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:20:51 EDT Re: it'd be funny if... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-itd-be-funny-if-27531388 --
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