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The Limit
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reply to rcdailey

Re: No Facebook at work? I'll look elsewhere...

I think there is a security measure in place where you can "hide" your name from random searches.



scelli
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said by The Limit:

I've noted it, and I should have stated explicitly what I was talking about in regards to the context. I do apologize to anyone that I offended that grew up in the generation before me. The context was supposed to be in the set of all "office" jobs.

And I agree, complaining about it does nothing to solve it. I just got my underwear in a knot because of a false statement that was made about college graduates.

Unfortunately, the intended meaning of a statement on a message board such as this one can sometimes be incredibly misconstrued by readers. We all have done it and the past and am quite sure we all will inadvertently do it in the future.
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The Limit
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Ah yes, and ironically it's something I am learning when proving complex theorems. Everything must be explicitly stated, not assumed, and if something is assumed, it must be proven true unless otherwise stated as a definition.

Practice makes perfect. The more I post here, and the more I do proofs ironically, the more I will learn how to do this.
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scelli
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said by The Limit:

And I don't think I said anything about fairness, most of my comments were in defense of my generation. Unless I missed something.

said by The Limit:

...Which is really not fair to compare me to as I wasn't even born then. In the context of the post, which is jobs, and your topics (which have nothing to do with the context of the post), I was referring to the fact that it's damn near impossible for some of us to get jobs out of college no matter how hard we work. Read the stats for yourself.
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Yes, I see. I do think, in regards to the topics you presented, that it is a bit unfair to compare my life today vs the life of a generation ago. I didn't have the opportunity to do any of those things. Yes, I said opportunity, because those are opportunities. You said yourself that a person is molded from how he/she hold up in adversity.

So yes, I missed out, and I don't see those opportunities as necessarily bad ones. I know that it sounds like I can say that with ease, and I do not by any means. I feel like I would have been a better person in the end for those experiences.

But, it's really OT. There was a miscommunication issue on both ends. It's impossible to visualize some struggles unless one has actually lived through said struggle. So yes, I don't really think the comparison to me and my values are necessarily equivalent.
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Name Game
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reply to StuartMW

I did some research. for a commercial break.

The information the article refers to was in a white paper called "Tomorrow's Workforce" done by Hays and they surveyed more than 870 employers and job candidates. "The report looks at four issues affecting the future of Australia’s workforce: the advancement in technology, globalisation of the jobs market, diversity, and the rise of the “orange collar” worker."

"The survey results suggest employees now and in the future will expect to be allowed a reasonable level of access to social media for personal use."

Background:

Hays recruits for a wide range of industries and professions, including:
Mining, Procurement, IT, Human Resources, Construction & Property, Office Support, Accountancy & Finance etc

Specialties include:
Recruitment, Construction, Logistics, Manufacturing, Mining, Engineering, Resources, Energy, Oil and Gas, Information Technology, Executive Search and Selection

There is a new bred of workers out there called "orange collar" workers which is the focus of Hays today.This article explains the details and types of jobs.

“ORANGE COLLAR” WORKERS IN DEMAND
»www.quarrymagazine.com/Article.a···-demand-

This has prompted some very good article....

Start-ups urged to not overlook social media policies
»www.startupsmart.com.au/managing···619.html

»www.b2bmarketing.net/blog/posts/···ess-case

Hays has a facebook page...
»www.facebook.com/HaysAustralia

The article they posted on their facebook page is this one from The Australian Financial Review

Nick Deligiannis, managing director of Hays in Australia, urged employers to have clear policies in place, with more than half of the candidates saying they used company devices to access social media and a quarter saying they did not know how to represent their employer.

“It is important to have a social media policy covering how social media is used for work-related matters, the use of it for personal matters at work, and what employees can and cannot say about your organisation,” he said.

Fiona Inverarity, an employment partner at Truman Hoyle Lawyers, said employers should avoid banning social media at work “because as soon as you catch someone using it, you are going to have to discipline them and also everyone is using their own technology”, she said.

She urged employers to establish social media policies that banned staff making derogatory remarks about fellow employees or the company. She also recommended companies establish whether they or their employee owned connections on an employee’s Linked In profile and include this in the staff member’s employment contract.

»afr.com/p/national/cut_off_socia···OR4PD06H

The article StuartMW posted has Shane Little from Hays commenting on the white paper..
This is his background..

Since 2005 I have been a Regional Director with responsibility for mulitple business areas across NSW & ACT. Based in Sydney and with responsibility across 6 different offices I am responsible for the growth and budget delivery for a significant portion of the regional budget.

»au.linkedin.com/pub/shane-little/18/77b/172

This is what Hays suggests to get a job..
»www.hays.com.au/press-releases/H···aign=aus
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Name Game
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If you would like to read the white paper Tomorrow's Workforce" here it is

»www.hays.com.au/prd_consump/grou···5986.pdf

Look at page 16 !



Name Game
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Blogs Forums Facebook Twitter LinkedIn

The survey was not just about Facebook..it was really about Social Media. That was defined best in this part of the white paper.

Social media should be considered for its ability to connect
with potential recruits. According to our survey of employers,
organisations are slowly beginning to use such tools to
communicate their employee value proposition, although the
uptake is far from universal. Of those that are using such tools, it
is most common to use LinkedIn (68.2 per cent). In addition, 35.5
per cent are using Facebook, 23.4 per cent are using forums, 20.6
per cent are using blogs and 18.7 per cent are using Twitter.
According to a study by employer branding consultancy
Potentialpark, 58 per cent of young people expect employers to
be present on Facebook, and 52 per cent expect them to be on
LinkedIn. 73 per cent agree to the statement: ‘If I find content on
Facebook that can help me in my career, I am open for looking at
it’. More than a third (36 per cent) believe employers should be
present on Twitter


Our own survey of candidates found that when they look for a new
job, 69.3 per cent use LinkedIn, 26.8 per cent use forums, 16.7 per
cent use blogs, 15.9 per cent use Facebook and 4.1 per cent use
Twitter.

When looking for a new job, do you use any of the following?

Blogs Forums Facebook Twitter LinkedIn

According to our survey, 82.2 per cent of candidates use these
tools to find jobs of interest. 69.3 per cent use them to research
the organisation while 47.3 per cent use them to see what others
have to say about the organisation. 26.1 per cent use them to
promote their own skills and abilities, such as by blogging or via
Facebook.

We also asked candidates if they use social networks to remain in
contact with people for potential future job opportunities.

Almost half of our candidates said yes, with 7.5 per cent citing this as the
main reason they use social networks and 40.3 per cent indicating
it is one reason for their use of social networks.

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Exidor
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reply to rcdailey

said by rcdailey:

I am pretty sure that if they made businesses pay for all of the tools at Facebook, many of those businesses would just drop their accounts. If they simply add a charge for services that provide more advertising punch than the free tools, then they will get some more revenue. Facebook has to prove that this is cost effective advertising, of course.

Good call!

We may find out, one way of the other:

Facebook starts to charge for Offers, woos Wall Street

Social network will charge businesses for daily deals ads

quote:
Computerworld - Facebook plans to start charging businesses to run targeted ads in its Facebook Offers daily deals service.
»www.computerworld.com/s/article/···l_Street


Name Game
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Right here is more info on why they think the charges will be accepted.
»Re: No Facebook at work? I'll look elsewhere....



Exidor
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Sorry, I missed your links supplied earlier in this thread.

I should have known you would be on top of the issue.

It has been an interesting discussion!



Name Game
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I liked your link on the wall street speculation..but I really think facebook is in trouble with their current business model.. but that's another story...just don't run out and buy the stock... Have a great evening buddy.


Mele20
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I try to not do business with any business that thinks their Facebook page is where I should go to communicate with them. That is the sign of either a very ignorant business or one that spits on personal privacy. Either way, why should I do business with such an either (in the first instance) clueless business or (in the second instance) such a dangerous business?

I remember what the internet was originally intended to be. I find it immeasurably sad, and also scary, what it has morphed into through the behind the scenes manipulation of mostly the younger crowd, which is naive, but also some older folks who stand to get rich from further enslaving our people and spitting on all who have given their lives for what no longer exists in this nation.

I hope to see a lot of businesses forsake Facebook when they have to start paying for tools or whatever there. I'd like to be able to communicate with businesses that I have done business with that did not require that I have a Facebook account when I did business with them but do require it now. It is a frustrating situation. How do I know when I do business with a company that currently has a variety of contact means ...particularly contact for feedback or help ...that they won't soon abandon all means of contact except Facebook? It's frightening.
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reply to StuartMW

I have a Facebook page. I log into it once in a while, maybe only twice a month.

OTOH, most everything I know about security--which helped me get my current job--I learned either here or because of reading something here and going on to research it myself.
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said by Mele20:

I try to not do business with any business that thinks their Facebook page is where I should go to communicate with them. ...

+1

All our local TV/Radio stations and many businesses now want their audience/customers to "like" them on Facebook and post stuff to their pages to communicate with them. I have no intention of doing either.

The same goes with Twitter. I do have a Twitter account out there somewhere, but haven't logged into it for so long I don't remember the password or email account I used to access it.


StuartMW
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Click for full size
Log in options on major manufacturer site
In addition many companies, that have some kind of account (support forum etc), want you to use a FB/Twitter/other account to login.

Um, no.
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Snowy
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reply to StuartMW

So those one in five will presumably end up working for a company with facebook access.
That makes for a strong argument against allowing access.



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said by Snowy:

So those one in five will presumably end up working for a company with facebook access.

Or unemployed.

My point in starting this thread was to illustrate an "entitlement mentality".

Some employers may, as a perk, allow their employees (or a subset) to access Facebook or other sites. However that is different from expecting it. Of course people are free to accept or reject any employer if they don't like the conditions. To me FB (or other) access is optional but obviously to many it's a requirement.
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Exidor
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reply to StuartMW

I seem to recall previous discussions on this board on how some employers were using Facebook as part of the hiring process.

e.g. Asking potential employees why, if not, they did not have a Facebook account or even demanding the potential employee reveal their Facebook account information.

In that context, could the employee not reasonably expect to be able to use their Facebook account while at work, if the employer expects the employee to have a Facebook account just to be hired?

Having said that, I don't use Facebook at work...or at home for that matter...since I don't have a Facebook account.



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2 wrongs != right



sivran
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IIRC that was a prison (or even the whole Department of Corrections) in... I think it was Maryland. They were asking for the actual account details.

I believe I commented in that thread that were I hiring someone, I probably wouldn't ask. If I did though, and they handed over their login, I'd strike that candidate from the list.
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scross

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reply to Exidor

said by Exidor:

I seem to recall previous discussions on this board on how some employers were using Facebook as part of the hiring process.

e.g. Asking potential employees why, if not, they did not have a Facebook account or even demanding the potential employee reveal their Facebook account information.

In that context, could the employee not reasonably expect to be able to use their Facebook account while at work, if the employer expects the employee to have a Facebook account just to be hired?

Having said that, I don't use Facebook at work...or at home for that matter...since I don't have a Facebook account.

Came here to make exactly this point! In fact, I was just reading about someone who says they were told they wouldn't even be considered for employment if they claimed not to have a Facebook account (which they in fact do not). And I've seen other stuff lately where various people are claiming that if you try to avoid Facebook (as I do), then you have serious anti-social personality tendencies and are therefore a bad potential hire, or some such nonsense. I, for one, say that this just goes to show you how far HR's hiring practices have gone into the toilet - not that they were ever that great to begin with!

So, live by the sword, die by the sword!

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said by Mele20:

I remember what the internet was originally intended to be.

A way for computer scientists to share resources?


StuartMW
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said by Mele20:

I remember what the internet was originally intended to be.

A DARPA research project?
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said by scross:

And I've seen other stuff lately where various people are claiming that if you try to avoid Facebook (as I do), then you have serious anti-social personality tendencies and are therefore a bad potential hire, or some such nonsense.

So, live by the sword, die by the sword!

Not really. I expect such places, if they truly exist, are marketing based and not the majority of work places. The majority of work places are doing everything in their power to evaluate or simply block non-essential web activity and it's pretty much a common practice in this day and age to specifically block Facebook. Our government has done it, large corporations are doing it and small businesses are starting to get into the game now that the hardware to do so is accessible to them.

scross

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said by urbanriot:

Not really. I expect such places, if they truly exist, are marketing based and not the majority of work places. The majority of work places are doing everything in their power to evaluate or simply block non-essential web activity and it's pretty much a common practice in this day and age to specifically block Facebook. Our government has done it, large corporations are doing it and small businesses are starting to get into the game now that the hardware to do so is accessible to them.

I have no trouble at all believing such stories, based on what I've seen and read over the past couple of years. With so many people fighting for so few jobs these days, HR seems to think that they have a right to know everything about your personal life, and what better way to track your behavior than by your Facebook account? And if you don't have one, or refuse to admit to having one, then they aren't interested in hiring you. After all, you could be hiding something nefarious from them, and we can't have that, now can we?

I wasn't meaning to imply that they would expect you to use Facebook at work, unless maybe you were in marketing or something. Only that if they insisted you must have it, or if you give them your password or even friend them or whatever, then they can't really complain about your using it at work on occasion, now can they?


Name Game
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I think BroadbandReports is a business

»www.facebook.com/BroadbandReports

»twitter.com/DSLReports

...you can even login with twitter.. as I recall that was one of the Social Media in the study.
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Thaler
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One in five job-seekers are half assing their job seeking.



Metatron2008
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Should ask men only, you'll find nobody uses facebook then.



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Perhaps this is a 21st century analog of the way people have tended to view hermits and recluses in the past. Not having a Facebook account may be similar to holing up alone in a house or a cabin, as in the case of the Unabomber, for example. A way around this might be to have a Facebook and/or Twitter account, but just not use it all that much. I guess it's becoming more difficult to keep a low profile.
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