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reply to rcdailey

Re: No Facebook at work? I'll look elsewhere...

reply to The Limit

Ah yes, and ironically it's something I am learning when proving complex theorems. Everything must be explicitly stated, not assumed, and if something is assumed, it must be proven true unless otherwise stated as a definition.

Practice makes perfect. The more I post here, and the more I do proofs ironically, the more I will learn how to do this.
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reply to The Limit

Yes, I see. I do think, in regards to the topics you presented, that it is a bit unfair to compare my life today vs the life of a generation ago. I didn't have the opportunity to do any of those things. Yes, I said opportunity, because those are opportunities. You said yourself that a person is molded from how he/she hold up in adversity.

So yes, I missed out, and I don't see those opportunities as necessarily bad ones. I know that it sounds like I can say that with ease, and I do not by any means. I feel like I would have been a better person in the end for those experiences.

But, it's really OT. There was a miscommunication issue on both ends. It's impossible to visualize some struggles unless one has actually lived through said struggle. So yes, I don't really think the comparison to me and my values are necessarily equivalent.
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"We will evaluate these integrals rigorously if we can, and non-rigorously if we must".
---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010)

reply to StuartMW

I did some research. for a commercial break.

The information the article refers to was in a white paper called "Tomorrow's Workforce" done by Hays and they surveyed more than 870 employers and job candidates. "The report looks at four issues affecting the future of Australia’s workforce: the advancement in technology, globalisation of the jobs market, diversity, and the rise of the “orange collar” worker."

"The survey results suggest employees now and in the future will expect to be allowed a reasonable level of access to social media for personal use."

Background:

Hays recruits for a wide range of industries and professions, including:
Mining, Procurement, IT, Human Resources, Construction & Property, Office Support, Accountancy & Finance etc

Specialties include:
Recruitment, Construction, Logistics, Manufacturing, Mining, Engineering, Resources, Energy, Oil and Gas, Information Technology, Executive Search and Selection

There is a new bred of workers out there called "orange collar" workers which is the focus of Hays today.This article explains the details and types of jobs.

“ORANGE COLLAR” WORKERS IN DEMAND
»www.quarrymagazine.com/Article.a···-demand-

This has prompted some very good article....

Start-ups urged to not overlook social media policies
»www.startupsmart.com.au/managing···619.html

»www.b2bmarketing.net/blog/posts/···ess-case

Hays has a facebook page...
»www.facebook.com/HaysAustralia

The article they posted on their facebook page is this one from The Australian Financial Review

Nick Deligiannis, managing director of Hays in Australia, urged employers to have clear policies in place, with more than half of the candidates saying they used company devices to access social media and a quarter saying they did not know how to represent their employer.

“It is important to have a social media policy covering how social media is used for work-related matters, the use of it for personal matters at work, and what employees can and cannot say about your organisation,” he said.

Fiona Inverarity, an employment partner at Truman Hoyle Lawyers, said employers should avoid banning social media at work “because as soon as you catch someone using it, you are going to have to discipline them and also everyone is using their own technology”, she said.

She urged employers to establish social media policies that banned staff making derogatory remarks about fellow employees or the company. She also recommended companies establish whether they or their employee owned connections on an employee’s Linked In profile and include this in the staff member’s employment contract.

»afr.com/p/national/cut_off_socia···OR4PD06H

The article StuartMW posted has Shane Little from Hays commenting on the white paper..
This is his background..

Since 2005 I have been a Regional Director with responsibility for mulitple business areas across NSW & ACT. Based in Sydney and with responsibility across 6 different offices I am responsible for the growth and budget delivery for a significant portion of the regional budget.

»au.linkedin.com/pub/shane-little/18/77b/172

This is what Hays suggests to get a job..
»www.hays.com.au/press-releases/H···aign=aus
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reply to StuartMW
If you would like to read the white paper Tomorrow's Workforce" here it is

»www.hays.com.au/prd_consump/grou···5986.pdf

Look at page 16 !

reply to StuartMW
Blogs Forums Facebook Twitter LinkedIn

The survey was not just about Facebook..it was really about Social Media. That was defined best in this part of the white paper.

reply to rcdailey

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Computerworld - Facebook plans to start charging businesses to run targeted ads in its Facebook Offers daily deals service.

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Right here is more info on why they think the charges will be accepted.
»Re: No Facebook at work? I'll look elsewhere....

Sorry, I missed your links supplied earlier in this thread.

I should have known you would be on top of the issue.

It has been an interesting discussion!

I liked your link on the wall street speculation..but I really think facebook is in trouble with their current business model.. but that's another story...just don't run out and buy the stock... Have a great evening buddy.

reply to Exidor
I try to not do business with any business that thinks their Facebook page is where I should go to communicate with them. That is the sign of either a very ignorant business or one that spits on personal privacy. Either way, why should I do business with such an either (in the first instance) clueless business or (in the second instance) such a dangerous business?

I remember what the internet was originally intended to be. I find it immeasurably sad, and also scary, what it has morphed into through the behind the scenes manipulation of mostly the younger crowd, which is naive, but also some older folks who stand to get rich from further enslaving our people and spitting on all who have given their lives for what no longer exists in this nation.

I hope to see a lot of businesses forsake Facebook when they have to start paying for tools or whatever there. I'd like to be able to communicate with businesses that I have done business with that did not require that I have a Facebook account when I did business with them but do require it now. It is a frustrating situation. How do I know when I do business with a company that currently has a variety of contact means ...particularly contact for feedback or help ...that they won't soon abandon all means of contact except Facebook? It's frightening.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

reply to StuartMW
I have a Facebook page. I log into it once in a while, maybe only twice a month.

OTOH, most everything I know about security--which helped me get my current job--I learned either here or because of reading something here and going on to research it myself.
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Think Outside the Fox.

reply to Mele20

reply to StuartMW
So those one in five will presumably end up working for a company with facebook access.
That makes for a strong argument against allowing access.

reply to StuartMW
I seem to recall previous discussions on this board on how some employers were using Facebook as part of the hiring process.

e.g. Asking potential employees why, if not, they did not have a Facebook account or even demanding the potential employee reveal their Facebook account information.

In that context, could the employee not reasonably expect to be able to use their Facebook account while at work, if the employer expects the employee to have a Facebook account just to be hired?

Having said that, I don't use Facebook at work...or at home for that matter...since I don't have a Facebook account.

2 wrongs != right