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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/687765" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=687765');">scross</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/382936" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=382936');">Exidor</a>:</said><p>I seem to recall previous discussions on this board on how some employers were using Facebook as part of the hiring process.<br>[snip]<br> </p></div>Came here to make exactly this point!<br>[snip]<br> </p></div>Keep in mind that at any company or organization, HR hiring policies does not equal Corporate/IT end user policy.  They have totally different missions and are not required to be compatible (and for most, the left hand wouldn't even care what the right hand is doing anyway).<br><br>-Jim]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Thaler posted : Same. It's a pretty popular site to see open in the background while people talk opinions, plans, or just baloney. Facebook games are also a popular choice.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Metatron2008 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/945359" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=945359');">Thaler</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1578597" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1578597');">Metatron2008</a>:</said><p>Should ask men only, you'll find nobody uses facebook then.<br> </p></div>Dunno who you're following. Both males and females yak up plenty of bullcrap on Facebook. It's especially annoying during an election year. Every time I check my news feed, it's like Fox News & MSNBC had a massive dueling banjos face off.<br> </p></div>In a work environment.  I've seen countless women spend hours on facebook at work.  Not so much with men.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Thaler posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1181003" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1181003');">rcdailey</a>:</said><p>Not having a Facebook account may be similar to holing up alone in a house or a cabin, as in the case of the Unabomber, for example.<br> </p></div>I really would hate to think that having a Facebook account is a metric of a person's sanity. If anything, I've seen Facebook be the spawning grounds of a lot of bullcrap.<br><br><I>"Your honor, the defendant would like to plead not guilty by reason of insanity. He did not have a Facebook account. I rest my case."</I>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Thaler posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1578597" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1578597');">Metatron2008</a>:</said><p>Should ask men only, you'll find nobody uses facebook then.<br> </p></div>Dunno who you're following. Both males and females yak up plenty of bullcrap on Facebook. It's especially annoying during an election year. Every time I check my news feed, it's like Fox News & MSNBC had a massive dueling banjos face off.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Sukunai posted : Here's a challenge, using a fake name as this is just an experiment, see what you get when you create a page, and then say absolutely nothing about yourself and not pick a single thing you like, and see the result.<br><br>It took a lot of effort to find the settings in my case to turn off the barrage of garbage that gets directed at the account all because you made the mistake of saying anything about oneself and what you liked.<br><br>And if you have any friends, you get barraged by all of their activity (which is a lot if they also haven't been brutally selective).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[rcdailey posted : Perhaps this is a 21st century analog of the way people have tended to view hermits and recluses in the past.  Not having a Facebook account may be similar to holing up alone in a house or a cabin, as in the case of the Unabomber, for example.  A way around this might be to have a Facebook and/or Twitter account, but just not use it all that much.  I guess it's becoming more difficult to keep a low profile.<br><small>--<br>It is easier for a camel to put on a bikini than an old man to thread a needle.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Metatron2008 posted : Should ask men only, you'll find nobody uses facebook then.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : I think BroadbandReports is a business  :D<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.facebook.com/BroadbandReports" >www.facebook.com/BroadbandReports</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="https://twitter.com/DSLReports" >twitter.com/DSLReports</A><br><br>...you can even login with twitter.. as I recall that was one of the Social Media in the study.  :o<br><small>--<br>Gladiator Security Forum <br> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.gladiator-antivirus.com/" >www.gladiator-antivirus.com/</A> <br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[scross posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1095016" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1095016');">urbanriot</a>:</said><p>Not really. I expect such places, if they truly exist, are marketing based and not the majority of work places. The majority of work places are doing everything in their power to evaluate or simply block non-essential web activity and it's pretty much a common practice in this day and age to specifically block Facebook. Our government has done it, large corporations are doing it and small businesses are starting to get into the game now that the hardware to do so is accessible to them.<br> </p></div>I have no trouble at all believing such stories, based on what I've seen and read over the past couple of years.  With so many people fighting for so few jobs these days, HR seems to think that they have a right to know everything about your personal life, and what better way to track your behavior than by your Facebook account?  And if you don't have one, or refuse to admit to having one, then they aren't interested in hiring you.  After all, you could be hiding something nefarious from them, and we can't have that, now can we?<br><br>I wasn't meaning to imply that they would expect you to use Facebook at work, unless maybe you were in marketing or something.  Only that if they insisted you must have it, or if you give them your password or even friend them or whatever, then they can't really complain about your using it at work on occasion, now can they?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[urbanriot posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/687765" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=687765');">scross</a>:</said><p>And I've seen other stuff lately where various people are claiming that if you try to avoid Facebook (as I do), then you have serious anti-social personality tendencies and are therefore a bad potential hire, or some such nonsense.<br><br>So, live by the sword, die by the sword!<br> </p></div>Not really. I expect such places, if they truly exist, are marketing based and not the majority of work places. The majority of work places are doing everything in their power to evaluate or simply block non-essential web activity and it's pretty much a common practice in this day and age to specifically block Facebook. Our government has done it, large corporations are doing it and small businesses are starting to get into the game now that the hardware to do so is accessible to them.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[StuartMW posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/403861" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=403861');">Mele20</a>:</said><p>I remember what the internet was originally intended to be.</p></div>A DARPA research project? :D<br><small>--<br>Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dave posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/403861" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=403861');">Mele20</a>:</said><p>I remember what the internet was originally intended to be.  </p></div>A way for computer scientists to share resources?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[scross posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/382936" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=382936');">Exidor</a>:</said><p>I seem to recall previous discussions on this board on how some employers were using Facebook as part of the hiring process.<br><br>e.g. Asking potential employees why, if not, they did not have a Facebook account or even demanding the potential employee reveal their Facebook account information. <br><br>In that context, could the employee not reasonably expect to be able to use their Facebook account while at work, if the employer expects the employee to have a Facebook account just to be hired?  :huh:<br><br>Having said that, I don't use Facebook at work...or at home for that matter...since I don't have a Facebook account.<br> </p></div>Came here to make exactly this point!  In fact, I was just reading about someone who says they were told they wouldn't even be considered for employment if they claimed not to have a Facebook account (which they in fact do not).  And I've seen other stuff lately where various people are claiming that if you try to avoid Facebook (as I do), then you have serious anti-social personality tendencies and are therefore a bad potential hire, or some such nonsense. I, for one, say that this just goes to show you how far HR's hiring practices have gone into the toilet - not that they were ever that great to begin with!<br><br>So, live by the sword, die by the sword!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sivran posted : IIRC that was a prison (or even the whole Department of Corrections) in... I think it was Maryland. They were asking for the actual account details. <br><br>I believe I commented in that thread that were I hiring someone, I probably wouldn't ask. If I did though, and they handed over their login, I'd strike that candidate from the list. <br><small>--<br>Think <A HREF="http://opera.com/">Outside</a> the <A HREF="http://www.seamonkey-project.org/">Fox.</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Exidor posted : I seem to recall previous discussions on this board on how some employers were using Facebook as part of the hiring process.<br><br>e.g. Asking potential employees why, if not, they did not have a Facebook account or even demanding the potential employee reveal their Facebook account information. <br><br>In that context, could the employee not reasonably expect to be able to use their Facebook account while at work, if the employer expects the employee to have a Facebook account just to be hired?  :huh:<br><br>Having said that, I don't use Facebook at work...or at home for that matter...since I don't have a Facebook account.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[StuartMW posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/795407" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=795407');">Snowy</a>:</said><p>So those one in five will presumably end up working for a company with facebook access.<br></p></div>Or unemployed.<br><br>My point in starting this thread was to illustrate an "entitlement mentality".<br><br>Some employers may, as a <i>perk</i>, allow their employees (or a subset) to access Facebook or other sites. However that is different from <i>expecting</i> it. Of course people are free to accept or reject any employer if they don't like the conditions. To me FB (or other) access is optional but obviously to many it's a requirement.<br><small>--<br>Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Snowy posted : So those one in five will presumably end up working for a company with facebook access.<br>That makes for a strong argument against allowing access.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[StuartMW posted : In addition many companies, that have some kind of account (support forum etc), want you to use a FB/Twitter/other account to login.<br><br>Um, no.<br><small>--<br>Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!</small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27552834?c=2035801&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzUzNTY0Mi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="11524 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=76 SRC="/r0/download/2035801.thumb600~d9fa31af72d60aaa305c994110256121/login.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>Log in options on major manufacturer site</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[EGeezer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/403861" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=403861');">Mele20</a>:</said><p>I try to not do business with any business that thinks their Facebook page is where I should go to communicate with them. ...<br></p></div>+1 <br><br>All our local TV/Radio stations and many businesses now want their audience/customers to "like" them on Facebook and post stuff to their pages to communicate with them. I have no intention of doing either.   <br><br>The same goes with Twitter. I do have a Twitter account out there somewhere, but haven't logged into it for so long I don't remember the password or email account I used to access it.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sivran posted : I have a Facebook page. I log into it once in a while, maybe only twice a month. <br><br>OTOH, most everything I know about security--which helped me get my current job--I learned either here or because of reading something here and going on to research it myself. ;)<br><small>--<br>Think <A HREF="http://opera.com/">Outside</a> the <A HREF="http://www.seamonkey-project.org/">Fox.</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mele20 posted : I try to not do business with any business that thinks their Facebook page is where I should go to communicate with them. That is the sign of either a very ignorant business or one that spits on personal privacy. Either way, why should I do business with such an either (in the first instance) clueless business or (in the second instance) such a dangerous business?<br><br>I remember what the internet was originally intended to be. I find it immeasurably sad, and also scary, what it has morphed into through the behind the scenes manipulation of mostly the younger crowd, which is naive, but also some older folks who stand to get rich from further enslaving our people and spitting on all who have given their lives for what no longer exists in this nation.<br><br>I hope to see a lot of businesses forsake Facebook when they have to start paying for tools or whatever there. I'd like to be able to communicate with businesses that I have done business with that did not require that I have a Facebook account when I did business with them but do require it now. It is a frustrating situation. How do I know when I do business with a company that currently has a  variety of contact means ...particularly contact for feedback or help ...that they won't soon abandon all means of contact except Facebook? It's frightening.<br><small>--<br>When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : I liked your link on the wall street speculation..but I really think facebook is in trouble with their current business model.. but that's another story...just don't run out and buy the stock... :) Have a great evening buddy.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : Right here is more info on why they think the charges will be accepted.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r27547662-No-Facebook-at-work-I-ll-look-elsewhere">Re: No Facebook at work? I'll look elsewhere...</A>.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Exidor posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1181003" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1181003');">rcdailey</a>:</said><p>I am pretty sure that if they made businesses pay for all of the tools at Facebook, many of those businesses would just drop their accounts.  If they simply add a charge for services that provide more advertising punch than the free tools, then they will get some more revenue.  Facebook has to prove that this is cost effective advertising, of course.<br> </p></div>Good call!<br><br>We may find out, one way of the other:<br><br><i>Facebook starts to charge for Offers, woos Wall Street<br><br>Social network will charge businesses for daily deals ads</i><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Computerworld - Facebook plans to start charging businesses to run targeted ads in its Facebook Offers daily deals service.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9231576/Facebook_starts_to_charge_for_Offers_woos_Wall_Street" >www.computerworld.com/s/article/&middot;&middot;&middot;l_Street</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : <b>Blogs Forums Facebook Twitter LinkedIn</b><br><br>The survey was not just about Facebook..it was really about Social Media. That was defined best in this part of the white paper.<br><br><div class="bquote"><p>Social media should be considered for its ability to connect <br>with potential recruits. According to our survey of employers, <br>organisations are slowly beginning to use such tools to <br>communicate their employee value proposition, although the <br>uptake is far from universal. Of those that are using such tools, it <br>is most common to use LinkedIn (68.2 per cent). In addition, 35.5 <br>per cent are using Facebook, 23.4 per cent are using forums, 20.6 <br>per cent are using blogs and 18.7 per cent are using Twitter. <br>According to a study by employer branding consultancy <br>Potentialpark, 58 per cent of young people expect employers to <br>be present on Facebook, and 52 per cent expect them to be on <br>LinkedIn. 73 per cent agree to the statement: &#145;If I find content on <br>Facebook that can help me in my career, I am open for looking at <br>it&#146;. More than a third (36 per cent) believe employers should be <br>present on Twitter<br><br> <br>Our own survey of candidates found that when they look for a new <br>job, 69.3 per cent use LinkedIn, 26.8 per cent use forums, 16.7 per <br>cent use blogs, 15.9 per cent use Facebook and 4.1 per cent use <br>Twitter. <br><br>When looking for a new job, do you use any of the following?<br><br>Blogs Forums Facebook Twitter LinkedIn<br><br>According to our survey, 82.2 per cent of candidates use these <br>tools to find jobs of interest. 69.3 per cent use them to research <br>the organisation while 47.3 per cent use them to see what others <br>have to say about the organisation. 26.1 per cent use them to <br>promote their own skills and abilities, such as by blogging or via <br>Facebook.<br><br>We also asked candidates if they use social networks to remain in <br>contact with people for potential future job opportunities.<br><br> Almost half of our candidates said yes, with 7.5 per cent citing this as the <br>main reason they use social networks and 40.3 per cent indicating <br>it is one reason for their use of social networks.</p></div><small>--<br>Gladiator Security Forum <br> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.gladiator-antivirus.com/" >www.gladiator-antivirus.com/</A> <br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : If you would like to read the white paper Tomorrow's Workforce" here it is<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.hays.com.au/prd_consump/groups/hays_common/@au/@content/documents/digitalasset/hays_055986.pdf" >www.hays.com.au/prd_consump/grou&middot;&middot;&middot;5986.pdf</A><br><br>Look at page 16 !  :D :D]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Name Game posted : I did some research.  :D for a commercial break.<br><br>The information the article refers to was in a white paper called "Tomorrow's Workforce" done by Hays and they surveyed  more than 870 employers and job candidates. "The report looks at four issues affecting the future of Australia&#146;s workforce: the advancement in technology, globalisation of the jobs market, diversity, and the rise of the &#147;orange collar&#148; worker."<br> <br>"The survey results suggest employees now and in the future will expect to be allowed a reasonable level of access to social media for personal use."<br><br>Background:<br><br>Hays recruits for a wide range of industries and professions, including: <br>Mining, Procurement, IT, Human Resources, Construction & Property, Office Support, Accountancy & Finance etc<br><br>Specialties include:<br>Recruitment, Construction, Logistics, Manufacturing, Mining, Engineering, Resources, Energy, Oil and Gas, Information Technology, Executive Search and Selection<br><br>There is a new bred of workers out there called "orange collar" workers which is the focus of Hays today.This article explains the details and types of jobs.<br><br>&#147;ORANGE COLLAR&#148; WORKERS IN DEMAND<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.quarrymagazine.com/Article.aspx?id=2227&h=%E2%80%9COrange-collar%E2%80%9D-workers-in-demand-" >www.quarrymagazine.com/Article.a&middot;&middot;&middot;-demand-</A><br><br>This has prompted some very good article....<br><br><b>Start-ups urged to not overlook social media policies</b><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.startupsmart.com.au/managing-people/start-ups-urged-to-not-overlook-social-media-policies/201209197619.html" >www.startupsmart.com.au/managing&middot;&middot;&middot;619.html</A><br><br><b.Why use social media? The business case.</b><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.b2bmarketing.net/blog/posts/2012/09/21/why-use-social-media-business-case" >www.b2bmarketing.net/blog/posts/&middot;&middot;&middot;ess-case</A><br><br>Hays has a facebook page... :)<br>&raquo;<A HREF="https://www.facebook.com/HaysAustralia" >www.facebook.com/HaysAustralia</A><br><br>The article they posted on their facebook page is this one from The Australian Financial Review<br><br><div class="bquote"><p>Nick Deligiannis, managing director of Hays in Australia, urged employers to have clear policies in place, with more than half of the candidates saying they used company devices to access social media and a quarter saying they did not know how to represent their employer.<br><br>&#147;It is important to have a social media policy covering how social media is used for work-related matters, the use of it for personal matters at work, and what employees can and cannot say about your organisation,&#148; he said.<br><br>Fiona Inverarity, an employment partner at Truman Hoyle Lawyers, said employers should avoid banning social media at work &#147;because as soon as you catch someone using it, you are going to have to discipline them and also everyone is using their own technology&#148;, she said.<br><br>She urged employers to establish social media policies that banned staff making derogatory remarks about fellow employees or the company. She also recommended companies establish whether they or their employee owned connections on an employee&#146;s Linked In profile and include this in the staff member&#146;s employment contract.</p></div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://afr.com/p/national/cut_off_social_media_lose_recruits_5HUHQCRFcwovR3OR4PD06H" >afr.com/p/national/cut_off_socia&middot;&middot;&middot;OR4PD06H</A><br><br>The article StuartMW posted has Shane Little from Hays commenting on the white paper..<br>This is his background..<br><br><div class="bquote"><p>Since 2005 I have been a Regional Director with responsibility for mulitple business areas across NSW & ACT. Based in Sydney and with responsibility across 6 different offices I am responsible for the growth and budget delivery for a significant portion of the regional budget.</p></div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://au.linkedin.com/pub/shane-little/18/77b/172" >au.linkedin.com/pub/shane-little/18/77b/172</A><br><br>This is what Hays suggests to get a job..<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.hays.com.au/press-releases/HAYS_061350?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=fanpage&utm_campaign=aus" >www.hays.com.au/press-releases/H&middot;&middot;&middot;aign=aus</A><br><small>--<br>Gladiator Security Forum <br> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.gladiator-antivirus.com/" >www.gladiator-antivirus.com/</A> <br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[The Limit posted : Yes, I see. I do think, in regards to the topics you presented, that it is a bit unfair to compare my life today vs the life of a generation ago. I didn't have the opportunity to do any of those things. Yes, I said opportunity, because those are opportunities. You said yourself that a person is molded from how he/she hold up in adversity.<br><br>So yes, I missed out, and I don't see those opportunities as necessarily bad ones. I know that it sounds like I can say that with ease, and I do not by any means. I feel like I would have been a better person in the end for those experiences.<br><br>But, it's really OT. There was a miscommunication issue on both ends. It's impossible to visualize some struggles unless one has actually lived through said struggle. So yes, I don't really think the comparison to me and my values are necessarily equivalent.<br><small>--<br>"We will evaluate these integrals rigorously if we can, and non-rigorously if we must".<br>---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010)</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[scelli posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1489883" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1489883');">The Limit</a>:</said><p>And I don't think I said anything about fairness, most of my comments were in defense of my generation. Unless I missed something.<br> </p></div>said by <b>The Limit</b>:<br><br>...Which is really <b>not fair</b> to compare me to as I wasn't even born then. In the context of the post, which is jobs, and your topics (which have nothing to do with the context of the post), I was referring to the fact that it's damn near impossible for some of us to get jobs out of college no matter how hard we work. Read the stats for yourself.<br><small>--<br><b>The maximum effective range of an excuse is ZERO meters!</b></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[The Limit posted : Ah yes, and ironically it's something I am learning when proving complex theorems. Everything must be explicitly stated, not assumed, and if something is assumed, it must be proven true unless otherwise stated as a definition.<br><br>Practice makes perfect. The more I post here, and the more I do proofs ironically, the more I will learn how to do this.<br><small>--<br>"We will evaluate these integrals rigorously if we can, and non-rigorously if we must".<br>---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010)</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[scelli posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1489883" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1489883');">The Limit</a>:</said><p>I've noted it, and I should have stated explicitly what I was talking about in regards to the context. I do apologize to anyone that I offended that grew up in the generation before me. The context was supposed to be in the set of all "office" jobs.<br><br>And I agree, complaining about it does nothing to solve it. I just got my underwear in a knot because of a false statement that was made about college graduates. <br> </p></div>Unfortunately, the intended meaning of a statement on a message board such as this one can sometimes be incredibly misconstrued by readers. We all have done it and the past and am quite sure we all will inadvertently do it in the future. <br><small>--<br><b>The maximum effective range of an excuse is ZERO meters!</b></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[rcdailey posted : I broke down and tried a search for his name on Facebook, but do not see him.  So, maybe he's smarter than me (he probably is) ;)<br><br>I did find his address via a company listing, so he is not secret.  I know it is him because I recognize the address.<br><small>--<br>It is easier for a camel to put on a bikini than an old man to thread a needle.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[The Limit posted : And I don't think I said anything about fairness, most of my comments were in defense of my generation. Unless I missed something.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[The Limit posted : I've noted it, and I should have stated explicitly what I was talking about in regards to the context. I do apologize to anyone that I offended that grew up in the generation before me. The context was supposed to be in the set of all "office" jobs.<br><br>And I agree, complaining about it does nothing to solve it. I just got my underwear in a knot because of a false statement that was made about college graduates. <br><small>--<br>"We will evaluate these integrals rigorously if we can, and non-rigorously if we must".<br>---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010)</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[rcdailey posted : I grew up on a farm.  When I was young, there was no TV and the phone had a crank on the side and the line was shared by several neighbors.  I feel privileged to have witnessed the advance of technology to the point that in the area where I was born, everyone has cell phones and other more sophisticated technology.  A cousin who owns a farm not far from my childhood home was a Microsoft employee and is retired now.  He also grew up farming but became a software developer for an independent company that was bought out by MS.  Needless to say, he has modernized the old farmhouse where he lives now to state of the art when it comes to energy efficiency and connectivity.  OTOH, I have never checked to see whether he has a Facebook account. ;)<br><small>--<br>It is easier for a camel to put on a bikini than an old man to thread a needle.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[The Limit posted : No I totally agree, that's why I'm getting a degree in something that is flexible and stretches my mind in using formal logic (Mathematics).<br><br>There are many uses for Mathematics in the IT industry (networking and coding). In fact, Mathematics has helped me write better programs because my logical skills have increased ten fold. <br><br>I know that I won't have a glamorous job coming out of college, that's understandable, and if all I had to choose from was working at convenience store making minimum wage then I'd take it. I don't complain about work, even if it's work that I don't necessarily like. <br><br>Mathematics is used in EVERY field, and it's not an easy degree to get. I didn't go to school with the notion that I would be guaranteed to get a job, I went with the notion that I would be guaranteed an education, and maybe a job if I work hard. <br><br>But you make good points, and they have been noted.<br><small>--<br>"We will evaluate these integrals rigorously if we can, and non-rigorously if we must".<br>---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010)</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Sukunai posted : Life by the way has never been fair even once. You get lucky occasionally, but life, life doesn't give a damn about you.<br><br>Life sure didn't give a damn about me, when it turfed my dreams into the round file. But I at least was lucky enough to be crapped on by life in Canada. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Sukunai posted : So many of today's college grads are sadly also products of a butchered approach to education (not their fault though).<br><br>But still, a lot of today's youths, with 'higher education' can barely hold their own in a conversation with me.<br><br>And too many have gone to college and gotten entirely stupid college degrees worth nothing in the real working world.<br><br>Told my son the other day, of all the shop classes at high school the best one was the boring one, welding. Welders get paid well. Any doofus can do construction though.<br><br>A college course in RUNNING a business will do more for you than a lot of course that seemed 'neat' but have already been over done.<br><br>We don't need any more high techy graphics designer IT types.<br><br>My niece is getting work in social worker activities. No shortage of screwed up youths out there. I think she might get good use out of the course.<br><br>You need to have training someone actually wants, not just what you wanted to do. I always tell people, you don't need to like the job, you only need to like the money.<br>But too many times, people will turn down too many jobs that they simply don't want to do. And then people whine that foreigners are taking all the jobs. Well why not, no one wanted them. They bust their ass, live in big groups in small homes, and save like crazy, and then in a few years time, you end up asking THEM for a job at their store.<br><br>There's a lesson in there.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[scelli posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1489883" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1489883');">The Limit</a>:</said><p>...Which is really not fair to compare me to as I wasn't even born then. In the context of the post, which is jobs, and your topics (which have nothing to do with the context of the post), I was referring to the fact that it's damn near impossible for some of us to get jobs out of college no matter how hard we work. Read the stats for yourself.<br><br>But humor me for a minute, if I were alive then, I wouldn't know what I would have been like then. I wouldn't be the person that I am now, that's for sure. I can, however, state that if I was raised now like I was then, I would be fine. <br> </p></div>If you are stating I (and apparently some others as well) took your remarks out of context, than I'm willing to take you at your word. <br><br>However: Please don't tell me what is fair and what's not fair, because that is <b>exactly</b> the reason why a number of us took umbrage to your remarks. Life isn't always fair or particularly very nice for that matter, as you're sure to learn along the way throughout the upcoming years. It's how a person handles such adversity which separates the wheat from the chaff...and always has, too. <br><small>--<br><b>The maximum effective range of an excuse is ZERO meters!</b></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[The Limit posted : Hey I totally agree, if I worked in a trade shop, I wouldn't be hoisting my electronics anywhere and I would observe the same standard. I would also expect everyone else to follow this standard, because those individuals are at work to work, not to play. At the same time, if they want to check facebook on their break, or browse the web, then that's their prerogative. As long as they aren't browsing the web while they should be productive, then hey, all is fair to me.<br><br>If all the work is completed for that day, then I would let them take the day off early. I mean, if they are full time, then I have already planned to pay the employee a full time wage, so why should they be hanging around when the work is completed for that day? I mean, that's just my opinion, and I don't expect anyone else to think that way. <br><small>--<br>"We will evaluate these integrals rigorously if we can, and non-rigorously if we must".<br>---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010)</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Sukunai posted : I for the record like Facebook, and have zero interest in even caring about privacy.<br><br>I make it known, don't friend me if you don't want the everyone to know anything about them that will in effect get exposed to the whole of the net just by connecting with me.<br><br>I WANT the entire planet to see my comments. All of them. I wouldn't be online if I was paranoid.<br><br>But I tend to use Facebook in the morning when I am just getting up to speed. Then I might check it if I am relaxing from doing something else. But considering I live a retired senior citizens existence there is nothing to stop me.<br><br>Now if I could be all day at the shop, that would be so much better.<br>And the computer would be at home not the shop, and the only communications tool in the shop, would be the phone. An ordinary business phone. No special functions, just a phone you answer when someone calls the business.<br><br>All my electronics would be at home.<br>And I'd expect all my employees to be observing the same level of dedication to the work day as myself.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:36:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[The Limit posted : ...Which is really not fair to compare me to as I wasn't even born then. In the context of the post, which is jobs, and your topics (which have nothing to do with the context of the post), I was referring to the fact that it's damn near impossible for some of us to get jobs out of college no matter how hard we work. Read the stats for yourself.<br><br>But humor me for a minute, if I were alive then, I wouldn't know what I would have been like then. I wouldn't be the person that I am now, that's for sure. I can, however, state that if I was raised then like I have been raised in this generation, I would be fine. <br><small>--<br>"We will evaluate these integrals rigorously if we can, and non-rigorously if we must".<br>---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010)</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:33:38 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[The Limit posted : How about I was raised on a farm? I know what hard work is? You have no idea what my life has been like, and I didn't start the generalizations, let's bring this full circle shall we? <br><br>It was stated that "many" grad students are lazy and unemployed or underemployed. I have a right to make my defense. The generalization had absolutely nothing to do with the article in question.<br><br>There is no pity party, because that implies that I complain about the work I do, when in fact I am here because I want to be here. What I DON'T like is when people start generalizing large groups of people, which in retrospect, I did out of anger which isn't justified so I own up to that conclusion.<br><br>However, in light of what I said, I think it's fair to stand up for my generation rather than watch the previous generation demonize this one. Sure, we haven't had to work in a coal mine, or walk miles and miles to get to school. Let me ask you this: do you think we would still do it if we had to? I have a feeling that we would, hell, I would if I had to. I would get used to it eventually.<br><br>The whole purpose that I even posted here in the first place was because I feel like Facebook gets way more hate than it needs to, and that it's "popular" to hate on them because people are unproductive BECAUSE of facebook. That is not true, and I think it's sad now that we have individuals who cannot muster up the self discipline to work rather than play.<br><br>And then the implication of "lazy grad" students came into play, which I was not going to allow go unchallenged, because I am obligated to speak up. It's a public forum, and even though the topic was "possibly" in the bounds of the OP, it shouldn't have been said at all. It contributed nothing to the discussion, and made sweeping gestures over a large population of individuals.<br><br>So before you go demonizing my post, realize the context of my post. <br><br>I am sure that if I lived back then, I would have conformed with the times. <br><small>--<br>"We will evaluate these integrals rigorously if we can, and non-rigorously if we must".<br>---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010)</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:28:28 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Sukunai posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/156437" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=156437');">dave</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1549914" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1549914');">Sukunai</a>:</said><p>Which is why it is nice to get those sort of yuppies forms of employment.<br> </p></div>A little class warfare going on here?<br><br>Re: phones.  The average office employer has a simple choice: <br><br>- let me make a personal phone call on company time, cost to productivity, 5 mins.<br><br>- require me to make a phone call on my own time, I'll leave the office on the dot after 8 hours, or else take a full lunch hour; cost to productivity unclear, could be from half-an-hour up.<br><br>That is, it's not a case of someone wanting to give me a free ride, it's a case of someone wanting me in the office for as many hours as possible.  Letting me make necessary personal phone calls increases the company's bottom line.<br><br>You seem to be of the opinion that if I can use a phone at all, I will automatically be yakking on it all the time.  That's a little insulting, doncha think?<br><br>(FWIW, I'm also working while typing this. That's how it is with computers.)<br> </p></div>I can't seem to walk down the street without having a dozen people inside of ten blocks nearly walk into me because they are walking looking at a screen and madly pushing buttons. I actually DO think some of society actually CAN'T put the things down.<br><br>I've had situations where some people actually get annoyed that I won't run to the phone just because it rings. I find it amusing to see people aghast that a ringing phone can be ignored. No I don't feel a need to use every second of my day not doing something else, on a phone.<br><br>I call just about everyone under 30 a potential yuppie. Especially if they a laptop and definitely if they have a tablet.<br><br>I wasn't aiming to be a 'little insulting' actually, I am never a 'little' anything :)<br><br>I think cell phone users are more addicted than chain smokers. At least they have come to finally realise there are places we don't want them :)<br><br>I have a friend, who has told me the consequences of not being available for unpaid bonus efforts at the office. They get let go first when the office needs to downsize. As such, he has remained employed often when almost everyone was let go. I suppose it just depends on your desire to remain employed.<br><br>Sure leave precisely on the dot, you are not obligated to stay unpaid. The boss is also not required to pick you to remain when 5 out of 7 people have to be laid off either.<br><br>Another friend of mine, he can routinely do the work of 3 people. As such, he's considered a keeper. In fact, they tend to let people go if they can't look worth the saving.<br><br>The only real way to safeguard a job, is to be considered valuable.<br><br>Because even though only a pampered spoiled brat actually would state that life is harder today than even say only as far back as my own young adult years, the facts are, there is simply merely more people fighting for your spot on the pay roll.<br>That doesn't = harder life, that = good reason to pick the right college course or learn to be self employed.<br><br>I'd rather be dealing with a climate change conditioned future, than a nuclear wasteland. I was completely stressed out for my entire 20s thanks to the Soviet Union. Job stress, phah, get real.]]></description>
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