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Re: Teksavvy Installation Nightmare - Letter to CEO (Followup) Fuck it, I'm keeping my service and shutting my mouth, I need the internet for work and I just completely give up. I hope those defending Marc never get stuck in my situation, we'll see how you handle it. I'm guessing probably better than me but you probably wouldn't have just receive news that a close family friends had shot himself in the head 10 minutes before the tech arrives.
Since the incident, I've been nothing but nice to Marc, his staff and to those here. I lost my temper today because I was accused of lying about having my service cut and even after I provided evidence, I was still accused of lying.
Glad everyone thinks the biased one sided CSR notes constitutes "both" sides of the story, wish I had of recorded Mac's tirade on me maybe then you all wouldn't be so forgiving of him.
I'm submitting this shit to the BBB and the Ministry of Consumer Services because I do not feel having my personal information displayed by the CEO of a company on a public message board is right but I'll assume that like Teksavvy they won't give a shit either. All I wanted was internet service and $65 recouped for my trouble. Instead I got my privacy violated, Thanks. |
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| said by Simpletwist :Fuck it, I'm keeping my service and shutting my mouth, I need the internet for work and I just completely give up. I hope those defending Marc never get stuck in my situation, we'll see how you handle it. I'm guessing probably better than me but you probably wouldn't have just receive news that a close family friends had shot himself in the head 10 minutes before the tech arrives.
You know what? I've been in your situation, with more than one company. I've gone without internet for weeks because Cogeco refused to believe my line was bad.
Know how many times I called someone an asshole? 0. Know how many times I came onto public message boards spewing venom and obscenities? 0. Know how many people I demanded be fired? 0. I wasn't going through anything as bad as what you describe, and I'm sure you were justifiably upset by such a terrible event. But I still wouldn't have done those things. Nor would most people.
My thing got fixed eventually. Not as fast as yours did, because TSI is 100 times the company Cogeco will ever be. I sure didn't get the CEO trying to help me.
You're not getting jumped on because people have blind loyalty to Marc or TSI. You're getting jumped on because as much as TSI was far from perfect here, your behaviour, regardless of circumstances, has been abhorrent. Should your internet have been fixed faster? Yes. Does that entitle you to scream, swear, threaten, and complain constantly? I suppose it does. But don't expect people to cheer you for it. |
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I'm not taking sides here but I had an issue years ago regarding being charged early and an NSF fee that incurred at my bank. The woman I spoke to basically called me a liar, at least that's how I took it....It was pretty insulting, however things were eventually rectified and handled with tact and professionalism.
Then years before that a local ISP I was with acted like children when confronted about throttling on a public forum. Many of their techs moderated there, it was a computer store as well. They banned me and threatened to terminate my account for simply making it public knowledge that they throttled and lied about it. Happily that store and site is now out of business  |
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said by sbrook:Simpletwist ...
It appears that you chose to hang some laundry on the line that was supposedly dirtied by TekSavvy. Is it any wonder that TekSavvy wants to present a clear and accurate record from its perspective? Judging by your level of behaviour with TekSavvy's customer service both on a personal level and on a professional level demanding them to do something that they cannot do (getting a tech to you within 2 hours), it lends a lot more credence to TSI's rendering of the events and you dirtied the laundry mostly yourself and are trying to blame TSI.
Yes, for a short time first names were revealed, but that was corrected.
There is nothing here for CRTC/CCTS/IC to investigate. The words all speak for themselves. Whilst a mistake had been made, TSI did their best to try to correct it, and you have been nothing short of totally unreasonable since.
As to the BBB ... while TSI is a member of the SW Ontario equivalent of the BBB, the BBBs are of hardly any significance any more. I don't know of many people who would go to a BBB to check out a company any more, except maybe a builder or plumber, and even then the results of the check aren't worth very much.
I do feel sorry for Mac, having been on the receiving end of customer abuse on the phone myself. It's hard to pick up that phone after events like this. What astonishes me is that people get on the end of a phone or end of an internet line and end up finding all manner of bravado that they'd never have in person.
Whilst you had a legitimate issue, you turned it into something that goes well beyond reason. What you don't realize is that even if you had gone direct to Rogers, they still wouldn't have fixed the issue on the spot ... it would go to accounts and sales and eventually they'd dispatch somebody ... probably the next day at the earliest. And they wouldn't attempt to ameliorate things here online ... they'd do it in the dark.
That said, TSI defending themselves i totally get, but i have to say i don't like seeing internal notes being posted publicly about any customer. Things like this are why i sometimes find a CEO & it's customers talking a bad thing.
TSI is Marc's "baby" and when someone goes at it, it's natural to defend. Sometimes it looks bad because if anyone else dares to have a frustrating experience, they'll question if their personal interactions go public.
Before anyone goes on TSI defence, my point is, there are several negative reviews, no need for Marc to defend himself or his company per negative review. Though this situation is a bit over the time and the OP more less appears very upset and when the ball starts rolling, it's hard to stop.
Sometimes public forums do more damage than good with direct communication with the company staff. If this remained via email/telephone, it may have been dropped long ago and either cancelled or taken his 6 weeks or 8 weeks and ran with it.
I enjoy long walks to the convenience store and enjoy timmies, can I take his 8 weeks credit?
I really dislike how this all unfolded.
Marc, are you being serious that Mac quit? That in itself over one customer sounds over the top unless Mac has had these issues with several customers.
If it's over the single customer and he felt this way and seriously quit, i know it's not what you should do, but shit call the guy up for a beer and convince the poor guy back. In the same breath, some people (employees) aren't made for this job. Working at an ISP can be stressful. Out of most of my jobs, the two ISP's i worked for are the most i've ever been yelled at by customers.
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said by The Mongoose:said by Simpletwist :Fuck it, I'm keeping my service and shutting my mouth, I need the internet for work and I just completely give up. I hope those defending Marc never get stuck in my situation, we'll see how you handle it. I'm guessing probably better than me but you probably wouldn't have just receive news that a close family friends had shot himself in the head 10 minutes before the tech arrives.
You know what? I've been in your situation, with more than one company. I've gone without internet for weeks because Cogeco refused to believe my line was bad. Know how many times I called someone an asshole? 0. Know how many times I came onto public message boards spewing venom and obscenities? 0. Know how many people I demanded be fired? 0. I wasn't going through anything as bad as what you describe, and I'm sure you were justifiably upset by such a terrible event. But I still wouldn't have done those things. Nor would most people. My thing got fixed eventually. Not as fast as yours did, because TSI is 100 times the company Cogeco will ever be. I sure didn't get the CEO trying to help me. You're not getting jumped on because people have blind loyalty to Marc or TSI. You're getting jumped on because as much as TSI was far from perfect here, your behaviour, regardless of circumstances, has been abhorrent. Should your internet have been fixed faster? Yes. Does that entitle you to scream, swear, threaten, and complain constantly? I suppose it does. But don't expect people to cheer you for it. +1
When i call back in to anywhere really, i literally start the conversation with "I really don't want to name names or get anyone in trouble but this is what happened". I explain the situation and what happened and just hope things change..
I in my lifetime at least, will NEVER name someone in hopes of them being fired. (unless they threaten me or something to that extent). People really need their jobs, they're working for a reason and call me crazy but....
It's a form of bullying to even try. |
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Marc, the whole community is with you on this one...Ignore that clown and move on!
You did an admirable thing by trying to personally fix the issue, but even that should have its limits....Also, get Mac back! I hope it was reassured to him that it wasn't his fault...
Don't let this guy prevent you from getting personally involved to solve issues in the future!
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said by The Mongoose:You're not getting jumped on because people have blind loyalty to Marc or TSI. You're getting jumped on because as much as TSI was far from perfect here, your behaviour, regardless of circumstances, has been abhorrent. Should your internet have been fixed faster? Yes. Does that entitle you to scream, swear, threaten, and complain constantly? I suppose it does. But don't expect people to cheer you for it.
The OP sheepishly admitted his behaviour was bad. Other than that I see nothing wrong with anything else that's been posted.
There is some disagreement to the facts but the OP is not forcing Marc to respond point-by-point like this is some sort of public debate. Surprisingly, some of the responses have more vitriol than the complaint. As a PR strategy the whole thing has me very confused.
Why is the TekSavvy CEO discussing the employment status of a TekSavvy employee in an open forum FFS? I can only assume TekSavvy wants to be sued for invasion of privacy.
MOD: Can you delete that post? It is not fair to the employee for this to be immortalized forever by Google. This makes me very sad.
Don't get me wrong. I like TekSavvy as a company but geez this is bizarre. |
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I have seen comments from time to time that TSI is not the same company they once were. IMHO I don't think it is TSI that has changed their culture as much as I think the customer base has changed.
In the old days TSI was the techies' choice. People knew what to expect because they understood the technology and the politics of internet in Canada. Fast forward to phenominal growth.
Now customers are migrating from the majors for reasons of price and no cap downloads. These customers were used to dealing with the majors (fast pickup time on the phone, conciliatory bribes to get their business.... keep their business, yes sir no sir three bags full sir, etc) which of course is vastly different from the lean and mean wholeseller environment. Customer expectations have have changed in a large manner to one of high expectation (justified or not) based on previous dealing with the majors, and a feeling of entitlement. Most of all customers do not usually understand the technical ins and outs or the rigors of the wholeseller market in Canada. It is quite a change, yes, but I've always known TSI to do right by customers and it's obvious this continues today.
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Mac has resigned. I'm meeting with him tomorrow to try to understand more. I was away all week to come back to this.
He cited this event as the catalyst. There was an other event but it appears to me, and I haven't gone through all the details yet, that he's guilty of caring too much.. in this event he's in the thick of it for offering credit but cx not satisfied.. other event, he offered cred to cx but seemingly was told not too because it was in fact the cx's fault.. cx is happy now that he did but Mac is damned if you do, damned if you don't. very frustrating. Not sure if I'd have given cred myself, I'll have to have a look at the details, but in any case he was being compassionate. That's never a bad thing in my book. The entire office is upset. I'm upset.
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Complaints to the BBB are pointless as explained.
Complaints to the Ontario Ministry of Government Affairs (Consumer Services) will get you a referral to the CRTC since it's an ISP you're complaining about. The CRTC will refer you to the CCTS who will say it's been dealt with.
Threats of taking Marc/TSI to all manner of bodies is hardly being nice. I shudder to think what you'd consider being nasty! I don't even remember what your first name was (and considering lots of people have same first names) and I didn't see your address so certainly can't remember it! Even the fact that you post from the ottawahospital doesn't find you, since there are 4 campuses with half a dozen facilities, finding someone there who goes by the nick simpletwist or a first name I can't remember is hardly likely to happen. Do you know Joe? He's from Canada.
It's not just the CSR notes ... it's the things you've said too. Add them all together and it becomes very hard to agree with you. Whilst the tragedy of the moment of the tech's arrival may have impacted your dealings with him, it doesn't excuse the ill words of today.
I know people who consider any criticism even spoken quietly and kindly to be "yelling" ... I wonder if you're one of them. |
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said by d4m1r:Marc, the whole community is with you on this one...Ignore that clown and move on!
You did an admirable thing by trying to personally fix the issue, but even that should have its limits....Also, get Mac back! I hope it was reassured to him that it wasn't his fault...
Don't let this guy prevent you from getting personally involved to solve issues in the future!
Im sorry, but I do not agree with Marc on this one. I think this was extremely poorly handled by both sides and Marc cleaned house and tried to bury the issue.
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Re: Teksavvy Installation Nightmare - Letter to CEO (Followup) said by QuantumPimp:The OP sheepishly admitted his behaviour was bad. Other than that I see nothing wrong with anything else that's been posted.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I find this pretty repulsive:
"...after I offer you indisputable proof that your staff is a bunch of vindictive hostile assholes you throw out a veiled jab at my honesty and offer an excuse that makes zero sense. I'll take your 2 months and then, when I cancel my service when I'm done with you, I'll make sure to leave owing $65.
Enjoy some more bad press
Thanks for nothing Bellsavvy"
The OP has since come back on here with another obscenity-laced tirade threatening Teksavvy (again). Much as I think TSI could have handled this better in some ways, the OP has done everything possible to make it worse for everyone involved. |
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| said by The Mongoose: the OP has done everything possible to make it worse for everyone involved.
Yup, including himself. |
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Peterborough, ON | reply to Simpletwist
said by Simpletwist : First you have the nerve to insult me saying I'm reading too much into it, so then after I offer you indisputable proof that your staff is a bunch of vindictive hostile assholes you throw out a veiled jab at my honesty and offer an excuse that makes zero sense. I'll take your 2 months and then, when I cancel my service when I'm done with you, I'll make sure to leave owing $65. As Mac may be a visible minority and is out of a job you better be careful of exactly what you said to him.
You may be on the receiving end of an investigation by the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal.
TSI will be compelled to hand over all recordings and you may be on the hook for 10s of thousands in fines and legal fees. |
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kudos:5 | said by peterboro:As Mac may be a visible minority and is out of a job you better be careful of exactly what you said to him.
You may be on the receiving end of an investigation by the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal.
TSI will be compelled to hand over all recordings and you may be on the hook for 10s of thousands in fines and legal fees. Well, I guess you mean "audible minority" in this case.. Likely, I guess, but we don't actually know that.
On one hand, it occurs to me that you've read the subtlety in Marc's comments properly. Which means.. Well, what might have been said to Mac... Really depressing thought.
On the other hand, I dunno if we want to be going there at all. 
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Peterborough, ON | said by Teddy Boom: On the other hand, I dunno if we want to be going there at all. Well the OP states his intention to complain to government bodies so just a fair warning that he not do it in a glass house. |
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I've had trouble with installations with TekSavvy far far worse than the OP ever did, with far more downtime. You'd have to ask Rick, but I recall my initial install taking a month or more. Since then, I've personally gone through five TekSavvy installations (initial ADSL, second ADSL, experimental TPIA, initial VDSL2, second VDSL2). I even acted as a guinea pig for the TPIA service in Quebec, basically volunteering to subject myself to what was guaranteed to be a problem installation with all the effort on my part that entailed (and it did, multiple Videotron visits and a whole bunch of calls to get the issues resolved and the procedures ironed out). On top of all that, I've had more instances of my phone line getting cut than I can remember, and not every time was TekSavvy's handling of that perfect (in terms of following up, mainly).
On the whole, I think I've accumulated an order of magnitude more justification than the OP to be upset with TekSavvy. But you know what? Not only do I have a good relationship with the ISP on a personal level, I also do on a professional level, when it comes to stuff like MLPPP or CapSavvy. And do you know why that is? Because when something goes wrong, as frustrated as I get, I always treat customer service reps with respect and politeness. So even when I get the short end of the stick on something, the company I'm dealing with is still willing to deal with me on at worse a neutral basis.
You know something else? You're way more likely to get the compensation you're asking for (or closer to what you're asking for) for a problem when you're nice and polite to people. Because a customer service rep dealing with a nice and polite customer is going to be a lot more willing to help them out, and the customer will feel a lot better about the whole exchange even if they don't get what they want.
I don't manage to keep vitriol out of many other parts of my life (I've got a short temper), but dealing with customer service reps is one place I really make an extra effort for, and have succeeded, and it pays off. I don't think I've ever yelled at or swore at a CSR in my life.
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said by Simpletwist :Fuck it, I'm keeping my service and shutting my mouth Usually when people say that they stop talking... they don't go on for 4 more paragraphs reiterating the same stuff over and over again.
While I can sympathize with your frustration, I have been on the receiving end of far too many calls from people like you.
Marc is far more understanding then me, if it was my call I would have disconnected you. Refunded your money for this month, and cut you off immediately because the financial loss is a better option then dealing with people like you.
If you didn't want your dirty laundry aired out, then you shouldn't have brought the issue into the public, and the BBB or equivalent exists to make business transactions fair, not to punish companies for supposed wrongs. They'll most likely see the offer that was made to you, how you responded, and side with the company, as it was a fair offer. |
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