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Re: Teksavvy Installation Nightmare - Letter to CEO (Followup) said by dmbcanada:Sorry but I am on Marc and TSI's side, I agree that no what they did the customer wouldn't have been satisfied. He keeps pushing and pushing for more after he has agreed not to ask for more. He obviously has more issues than just no internet connection. I would like to see him try and resolve the same situation if he were with Bell or Rogers, they would totally crush his complaints and not give him any compensation. This is the problem, there are NO SIDES in this. It's a matter between the customer and TSI. Yes he brought up a public complaint, no different than a negative review. It's not an invitation to take anyones side.
You stay neutral and have and feel free to voice an opinion, but there are not sides to stand on, this is not a grade 8 dance.
8 weeks was generous, but not unheard of as several have stated from the big guys like Rogers. Example: Rogers screwed up a cancellation and massively overcharged me on ECF. It went on for 4 months worth of arguing. We were handed 5 months of free service and 50% discount for 2 years with no contract. Not unheard of.
I agree with what Marc asked the OP to keep this offline as it should have remained from the start. Mac was an internal issue and honestly I am surprised that was announced he quit as a jab at the OP because Marc was hurt by the events that followed after days worth of work looking in to the issue.
I'll say it again, no sides to take. This is not a battle, just a dispute gone wrong from a customer that was previously irritated by TSI a year ago. It was an already doomed business relationship on the slightest mistake. |
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| reply to Guspaz said by Guspaz:I've had trouble with installations with TekSavvy far far worse than the OP ever did, with far more downtime. You'd have to ask Rick, but I recall my initial install taking a month or more. Since then, I've personally gone through five TekSavvy installations (initial ADSL, second ADSL, experimental TPIA, initial VDSL2, second VDSL2). I even acted as a guinea pig for the TPIA service in Quebec, basically volunteering to subject myself to what was guaranteed to be a problem installation with all the effort on my part that entailed (and it did, multiple Videotron visits and a whole bunch of calls to get the issues resolved and the procedures ironed out). On top of all that, I've had more instances of my phone line getting cut than I can remember, and not every time was TekSavvy's handling of that perfect (in terms of following up, mainly).
On the whole, I think I've accumulated an order of magnitude more justification than the OP to be upset with TekSavvy. But you know what? Not only do I have a good relationship with the ISP on a personal level, I also do on a professional level, when it comes to stuff like MLPPP or CapSavvy. And do you know why that is? Because when something goes wrong, as frustrated as I get, I always treat customer service reps with respect and politeness. So even when I get the short end of the stick on something, the company I'm dealing with is still willing to deal with me on at worse a neutral basis.
You know something else? You're way more likely to get the compensation you're asking for (or closer to what you're asking for) for a problem when you're nice and polite to people. Because a customer service rep dealing with a nice and polite customer is going to be a lot more willing to help them out, and the customer will feel a lot better about the whole exchange even if they don't get what they want.
I don't manage to keep vitriol out of many other parts of my life (I've got a short temper), but dealing with customer service reps is one place I really make an extra effort for, and have succeeded, and it pays off. I don't think I've ever yelled at or swore at a CSR in my life. Well said quite honestly... Some of the abuse a rep (specifically at an ISP) takes most of the general population have no clue.
I've had a slight issue back in the day with TSI and Rocky at the time took offence to something until i clarified and i like to believe i see Marc on a more personal level than just a CEO of an ISP.
The guy has been more honest with me via PM about things i cannot talk about that i just see him more as a friend (though never met) i can just tell he loves his business and is why he defended himself thick and thin.
Though there are no sides, i agree that freaking out on reps will lead absolutely nowhere.
Well said nonetheless Gus
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To Marc:
As i've said over the years on here I run a medium sized business and I've been in business for 16 years. I enjoy each customer on board as i love what i do but i've cancelled customers accounts due to abuse in helpdesk tickets/telephone support.
We usually refund unused portion of what they've paid and cut our losses.
I'd have cancelled and not given the option for them to stay. Sorry OP.
That said, you're going to run in to a huge problem because of what was announced you did for him that was ABOVE AND BEYOND. Other's are going to expect the same thing :s |
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 | reply to Guspaz But Guspaz, your case is different, you have a working relationship with Teksavvy and you volunteered knowing there will be problems in order to iron out the kinks in the procedure, and I will bet that you were well compensated for that. But you also have to keep in mind that in this day and age, patience and compassion is lacking from both sides. Customers get irritated extremely quickly because they paid good money for service, and any hiccups are viewed to be unacceptable and need to be quickly addressed or they'll start. CSRs on the other hand, deal with angry customer all day and have heard all kind of stories and become insensitive to the individual customer. When both sides becomes impatient, its basically a cock fight waiting to happen.
Like you Guspaz, I also have a short temper, but instead of cursing and getting pissed off all day, I give CS one chance of sorting it out. Once that try is gone, I simply cancel. If you cant get it right the first time, and the second time, you don't deserve my business. But not everyone does that, in the case of the OP, its screw up after screw up after screw up. Instead of giving the OP some decent compensation, he was met with a half baked offer which I'd take offense to too. If you screw up that much on a customer consecutively, you need to pony up the manpower or cash to make it right. People are receptive to cash, thats plain and simple.
Now as opposed to waiving $65, you lose a customer/ long term profits, and judging by the vindictive posts the OP has made, he'd probably actively siphon customers away from TSI as well. All of this over a measly $65 on ONE customer. -- Feel the SPEED, the SPEED!!! |
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 GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC kudos:20 | reply to Simpletwist Only the cable line was volunteer, the other four setups were for myself, and some of those installs were really painful. The first one gave me about a month of downtime, and that was coming from a non-working Colba connection to begin with, so I had been without a properly working internet connection for something like two months (on Colba I was getting 0.3 Mbps and lots of packetloss on a 13 meg sync). -- Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org |
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Re: Teksavvy Installation Nightmare - Letter to CEO (Followup) said by Tx:I'll say it again, no sides to take. This is not a battle, just a dispute gone wrong from a customer that was previously irritated by TSI a year ago. This.
By accepting the offer I hope the OP cools down enough to realize TekSavvy delivers an excellent product at a good price. It will serve him well for years, and years. He has a couple of months to reflect and reconsider. Or not. Up to him.
If anything this thread offers proof that TekSavvy Internet is not a service manned by automatons many thousands of miles away who don't give a shit. Kudos to Marc and his team. As a PR gesture I am 100% confused by the tactics. Regardless, TekSavvy has earned even more loyalty points. |
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 InssomniakThe GlitchPremium join:2005-04-06 Cayuga, ON kudos:1 | reply to Simpletwist said by Simpletwist :Fuck it, I'm keeping my service and shutting my mouth, I need the internet for work and I just completely give up
Yet again another customer that needs his internet for work, yet only has one provider, with no backup. Stupid, just stupid. -- OptionsDSL Wireless Internet »www.optionsdsl.ca |
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| reply to Tx said by Tx:To Marc:
As i've said over the years on here I run a medium sized business and I've been in business for 16 years. I enjoy each customer on board as i love what i do but i've cancelled customers accounts due to abuse in helpdesk tickets/telephone support.
We usually refund unused portion of what they've paid and cut our losses.
I'd have cancelled and not given the option for them to stay. Sorry OP.
That said, you're going to run in to a huge problem because of what was announced you did for him that was ABOVE AND BEYOND. Other's are going to expect the same thing :s TX, do you consider persistant calling to get "things" done right as "abusing"? In a demanding world like ours, how do you expect customers to keep silent if they do not get what they pay for?!!!
Although it is your business that you are operating, it is not only about reducing losses, but also about maintaining good customer reputation.
Anyway, I agree with you that Marc shouldn't be involved with each unhappy customer complaining, since it leads others to abuse his involvement. However, he is responsible to enforce some sort of quality control to improve support, and his interactions with customers will help him achieving that; resulting in better TSI customer relation. -- It will be better if everyone cares about others |
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1 edit | said by intelp4:TX, do you consider persistant calling to get "things" done right as "abusing"? In a demanding world like ours, how do you expect customers to keep silent if they do not get what they pay for?!!! I'm not speaking for Tx here, but I don't think persistent calls are seen as abusive. I think calling people assholes, screaming, swearing, making threats and being consistently belligerent is a different story. |
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| said by The Mongoose:said by intelp4:TX, do you consider persistant calling to get "things" done right as "abusing"? In a demanding world like ours, how do you expect customers to keep silent if they do not get what they pay for?!!! I'm not speaking for Tx here, but I don't think persistent calls are seen as abusive. I think calling people assholes, screaming, swearing, making threats and being consistently belligerent is a different story. Absolutely correct. You can call us 100 times in a day and my staff will be there to help you... most customers of ours that call in multiple times are kind of "shy" and say "i'm so sorry i don't mean to bother you guys" and it's our policy to always make a customer comfortable. They are NEVER bothering us.
said by intelp4:said by Tx:To Marc:
As i've said over the years on here I run a medium sized business and I've been in business for 16 years. I enjoy each customer on board as i love what i do but i've cancelled customers accounts due to abuse in helpdesk tickets/telephone support.
We usually refund unused portion of what they've paid and cut our losses.
I'd have cancelled and not given the option for them to stay. Sorry OP.
That said, you're going to run in to a huge problem because of what was announced you did for him that was ABOVE AND BEYOND. Other's are going to expect the same thing :s TX, do you consider persistant calling to get "things" done right as "abusing"? In a demanding world like ours, how do you expect customers to keep silent if they do not get what they pay for?!!! This is just an example not a true story of a customer but simply to give context.
I have customers quite often blaming us for outages when it's a simple dns routing issue with their ISP in their country/area. Some for example are understanding that it's not within our control and some down right get mean, dirty and irate.
We never cancel due to an irate customer because we all get frustrated. If you're having a bad day a simple set off pisses you off when on a regular day you'd laugh it off. Just how we as human beings are with our emotions.
Other times we have customers who due to this "outage/dns issue" will threaten since my reps in tickets use first names with first letter of their last name in their signature (their choice how they do their signature) and our reps are harassed and it goes to far where as an issue is escalated to me and at times i'll decide to call up a customer to work things out and other times if it's bad enough i say, no way and like Marc, stand behind my staff.
I simply send a pre-written notice of termination email with an explanation as to why it's being terminated and they are welcome to join us again after a 60 day cool off period.
It doesn't happen often, i can count on 2 hands in 16 years how many i've done it with but as demands get higher it's an increasing trend. |
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 kabes join:2010-05-14 Kitchener, ON | reply to Simpletwist Telling the CSR to go f*** themselves? Most CSRs would (and should) hang up immediately.
I don't care how bad your day is, no one deserves that.
Shameful. |
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 | reply to Simpletwist 1 line summary: Simpletwist, you are an idiot! |
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 Txbronx cheers from cheap seatsPremium join:2008-11-19 kudos:3 | said by epsilon3:1 line summary: Simpletwist, you are an idiot! Unnecessary............ |
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 balur join:2010-04-28 kudos:1 | reply to Tx
Re: Teksavvy Installation Nightmare - Letter to CEO (Followup) said by Tx:Other times we have customers who due to this "outage/dns issue" will threaten since my reps in tickets use first names with first letter of their last name in their signature (their choice how they do their signature) and our reps are harassed and it goes to far where as an issue is escalated to me and at times i'll decide to call up a customer to work things out and other times if it's bad enough i say, no way and like Marc, stand behind my staff. I once had a customer tell a rep I worked with "I hope you get hit by a bus" when he told her that we hadn't heard back from the phone company on her trouble ticket yet. Needless to say that conversation ended pretty quickly.
Then there are regularly people who say things like "I'm a lawyer and my time is worth $200 an hour" and start threatening to send an invoice for their time troubleshooting when a front line rep asks them to power cycle there modem.
People are jerks to tech support agents, and its not exactly shocking tech support agents quickly get indifferent when someone is less then friendly. |
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 GimliPremium join:2006-01-03 l5a2o4 | reply to Simpletwist Removing all the emotion and kindergarten crap here:
1. Cx has a problem, calls in. 2. Cx meets CSR - they cant come to an arrangement - 3. CX gets aggravated - CSR does too. 4. Issue goes to management - recognizes CX has a case - offers significant compensation. 5. CX continues to be an idiot.
In my opinion ( business minded ) - F- that CX - you don't needs ones like that anyway - cant make them happy no matter what you do. |
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| said by Gimli:In my opinion ... you don't needs ones like that anyway - cant make them happy no matter what you do. Sure one can: just deliver the service they signed up and paid for. Simple. |
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 sbrookPremium,Mod join:2001-12-14 Ottawa kudos:4 | mlord, the problem is their perception of what they signed up for and what it is they really signed up for are quite different. |
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 | reply to Simpletwist From the TSI home page...
At TekSavvy, you don't get just an ISP; you get an ISP that cares. We know you need choice, you need an alternative to the big guys, and you need to know at the end of the day we'll take care of you no matter what. We are committed to giving our customers the best service possible. In fact, we pride ourselves on that: on being able to give you more than you thought possible, all for a fair price, with great service, and with no contracts and no hidden fees.
Talk the talk, now walk the walk. |
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| reply to mlord said by mlord:said by Gimli:In my opinion ... you don't needs ones like that anyway - cant make them happy no matter what you do. Sure one can: just deliver the service they signed up and paid for. Simple in a perfect world. Fixed that for you.
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