Re: No Facebook at work? I'll look elsewhere...

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goalieskates Premium join:2004-09-12 land of big	reply to The Limit Re: No Facebook at work? I'll look elsewhere... said by The Limit: What I see is an opinion that ignorant "elders" like to pass off on the younger generation when in fact, we have it much harder than they ever did. Enough with the pity party. You do not have it harder than your elders, your expectations are different. You never worked in a coal mine at age 6, or starved through the depression, or worked on a farm. Working through lunch and breaks has gone on for years. The difference is your elders were raised from the beginning with the idea they would have to work, not doted on in schools. They were prepared, our young ones weren't. So let's not get carried away here, and welcome to the real world.
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scelli Native New Yorker Premium join:1999-08-07 FLOT/FEBA kudos:1	said by goalieskates: said by The Limit: What I see is an opinion that ignorant "elders" like to pass off on the younger generation when in fact, we have it much harder than they ever did. Enough with the pity party. You do not have it harder than your elders, your expectations are different. You never worked in a coal mine at age 6, or starved through the depression, or worked on a farm. Working through lunch and breaks has gone on for years. The difference is your elders were raised from the beginning with the idea they would have to work, not doted on in schools. They were prepared, our young ones weren't. So let's not get carried away here, and welcome to the real world. He's also obviously never fought in a world war that nearly decimated half the planet, built a bomb shelter, been denied equal rights because of Jim Crow laws, gotten drafted, lived through numerous assassinations...and on and on and on. -- The maximum effective range of an excuse is ZERO meters!
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dave Premium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio kudos:8	reply to goalieskates said by goalieskates: You do not have it harder than your elders, your expectations are different. You never worked in a coal mine at age 6, or starved through the depression, or worked on a farm. Working through lunch and breaks has gone on for years. ... or had to write software with only zeroes, because you couldn't afford the ones. Gimme a break. We're talking about whether people applying for office jobs (which was implicit in the original article) expect to have access to a web site blocked. Yeah, you're right, some of us have had a relatively safe life, but this is not the exclusive domain of the young (I'm old enough that the AARP have started sending me snail-main), and the walk-uphill-both-directions-in-the-snow rant can't be taken seriously, even if our young friend was exaggerating a little about how hard he had it. He's probably spot-on in that competition for advancement is stiffer, though.
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The Limit Premium join:2007-09-25 Greensboro, NC kudos:2	reply to goalieskates How about I was raised on a farm? I know what hard work is? You have no idea what my life has been like, and I didn't start the generalizations, let's bring this full circle shall we? It was stated that "many" grad students are lazy and unemployed or underemployed. I have a right to make my defense. The generalization had absolutely nothing to do with the article in question. There is no pity party, because that implies that I complain about the work I do, when in fact I am here because I want to be here. What I DON'T like is when people start generalizing large groups of people, which in retrospect, I did out of anger which isn't justified so I own up to that conclusion. However, in light of what I said, I think it's fair to stand up for my generation rather than watch the previous generation demonize this one. Sure, we haven't had to work in a coal mine, or walk miles and miles to get to school. Let me ask you this: do you think we would still do it if we had to? I have a feeling that we would, hell, I would if I had to. I would get used to it eventually. The whole purpose that I even posted here in the first place was because I feel like Facebook gets way more hate than it needs to, and that it's "popular" to hate on them because people are unproductive BECAUSE of facebook. That is not true, and I think it's sad now that we have individuals who cannot muster up the self discipline to work rather than play. And then the implication of "lazy grad" students came into play, which I was not going to allow go unchallenged, because I am obligated to speak up. It's a public forum, and even though the topic was "possibly" in the bounds of the OP, it shouldn't have been said at all. It contributed nothing to the discussion, and made sweeping gestures over a large population of individuals. So before you go demonizing my post, realize the context of my post. I am sure that if I lived back then, I would have conformed with the times. -- "We will evaluate these integrals rigorously if we can, and non-rigorously if we must". ---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010)
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The Limit Premium join:2007-09-25 Greensboro, NC kudos:2	reply to scelli ...Which is really not fair to compare me to as I wasn't even born then. In the context of the post, which is jobs, and your topics (which have nothing to do with the context of the post), I was referring to the fact that it's damn near impossible for some of us to get jobs out of college no matter how hard we work. Read the stats for yourself. But humor me for a minute, if I were alive then, I wouldn't know what I would have been like then. I wouldn't be the person that I am now, that's for sure. I can, however, state that if I was raised then like I have been raised in this generation, I would be fine. -- "We will evaluate these integrals rigorously if we can, and non-rigorously if we must". ---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010)
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scelli Native New Yorker Premium join:1999-08-07 FLOT/FEBA kudos:1	said by The Limit: ...Which is really not fair to compare me to as I wasn't even born then. In the context of the post, which is jobs, and your topics (which have nothing to do with the context of the post), I was referring to the fact that it's damn near impossible for some of us to get jobs out of college no matter how hard we work. Read the stats for yourself. But humor me for a minute, if I were alive then, I wouldn't know what I would have been like then. I wouldn't be the person that I am now, that's for sure. I can, however, state that if I was raised now like I was then, I would be fine. If you are stating I (and apparently some others as well) took your remarks out of context, than I'm willing to take you at your word. However: Please don't tell me what is fair and what's not fair, because that is exactly the reason why a number of us took umbrage to your remarks. Life isn't always fair or particularly very nice for that matter, as you're sure to learn along the way throughout the upcoming years. It's how a person handles such adversity which separates the wheat from the chaff...and always has, too. -- The maximum effective range of an excuse is ZERO meters!
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rcdailey Dragoonfly Premium join:2005-03-29 Rialto, CA Reviews: ·RoadRunner Cable	reply to The Limit I grew up on a farm. When I was young, there was no TV and the phone had a crank on the side and the line was shared by several neighbors. I feel privileged to have witnessed the advance of technology to the point that in the area where I was born, everyone has cell phones and other more sophisticated technology. A cousin who owns a farm not far from my childhood home was a Microsoft employee and is retired now. He also grew up farming but became a software developer for an independent company that was bought out by MS. Needless to say, he has modernized the old farmhouse where he lives now to state of the art when it comes to energy efficiency and connectivity. OTOH, I have never checked to see whether he has a Facebook account. -- It is easier for a camel to put on a bikini than an old man to thread a needle.
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The Limit Premium join:2007-09-25 Greensboro, NC kudos:2	reply to scelli I've noted it, and I should have stated explicitly what I was talking about in regards to the context. I do apologize to anyone that I offended that grew up in the generation before me. The context was supposed to be in the set of all "office" jobs. And I agree, complaining about it does nothing to solve it. I just got my underwear in a knot because of a false statement that was made about college graduates. -- "We will evaluate these integrals rigorously if we can, and non-rigorously if we must". ---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010)
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The Limit Premium join:2007-09-25 Greensboro, NC kudos:2	reply to scelli And I don't think I said anything about fairness, most of my comments were in defense of my generation. Unless I missed something.
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The Limit Premium join:2007-09-25 Greensboro, NC kudos:2	reply to rcdailey Haha. That would be awesome to see!
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rcdailey Dragoonfly Premium join:2005-03-29 Rialto, CA Reviews: ·RoadRunner Cable	I broke down and tried a search for his name on Facebook, but do not see him. So, maybe he's smarter than me (he probably is) I did find his address via a company listing, so he is not secret. I know it is him because I recognize the address. -- It is easier for a camel to put on a bikini than an old man to thread a needle.
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The Limit Premium join:2007-09-25 Greensboro, NC kudos:2	I think there is a security measure in place where you can "hide" your name from random searches.
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scelli Native New Yorker Premium join:1999-08-07 FLOT/FEBA kudos:1	reply to The Limit said by The Limit: I've noted it, and I should have stated explicitly what I was talking about in regards to the context. I do apologize to anyone that I offended that grew up in the generation before me. The context was supposed to be in the set of all "office" jobs. And I agree, complaining about it does nothing to solve it. I just got my underwear in a knot because of a false statement that was made about college graduates. Unfortunately, the intended meaning of a statement on a message board such as this one can sometimes be incredibly misconstrued by readers. We all have done it and the past and am quite sure we all will inadvertently do it in the future. -- The maximum effective range of an excuse is ZERO meters!
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The Limit Premium join:2007-09-25 Greensboro, NC kudos:2	Ah yes, and ironically it's something I am learning when proving complex theorems. Everything must be explicitly stated, not assumed, and if something is assumed, it must be proven true unless otherwise stated as a definition. Practice makes perfect. The more I post here, and the more I do proofs ironically, the more I will learn how to do this. -- "We will evaluate these integrals rigorously if we can, and non-rigorously if we must". ---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010)
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scelli Native New Yorker Premium join:1999-08-07 FLOT/FEBA kudos:1	reply to The Limit said by The Limit: And I don't think I said anything about fairness, most of my comments were in defense of my generation. Unless I missed something. said by The Limit: ...Which is really not fair to compare me to as I wasn't even born then. In the context of the post, which is jobs, and your topics (which have nothing to do with the context of the post), I was referring to the fact that it's damn near impossible for some of us to get jobs out of college no matter how hard we work. Read the stats for yourself. -- The maximum effective range of an excuse is ZERO meters!
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The Limit Premium join:2007-09-25 Greensboro, NC kudos:2	Yes, I see. I do think, in regards to the topics you presented, that it is a bit unfair to compare my life today vs the life of a generation ago. I didn't have the opportunity to do any of those things. Yes, I said opportunity, because those are opportunities. You said yourself that a person is molded from how he/she hold up in adversity. So yes, I missed out, and I don't see those opportunities as necessarily bad ones. I know that it sounds like I can say that with ease, and I do not by any means. I feel like I would have been a better person in the end for those experiences. But, it's really OT. There was a miscommunication issue on both ends. It's impossible to visualize some struggles unless one has actually lived through said struggle. So yes, I don't really think the comparison to me and my values are necessarily equivalent. -- "We will evaluate these integrals rigorously if we can, and non-rigorously if we must". ---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010)
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