 efrem join:2002-04-03 Westport, CT | reply to OOLost
Re: Need help configuring my Cisco871W with Optimum Static IP My bad. For some reason I thought it was 4 usable addresses, but you are correct, they actually assign 5. |
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 | Things have come back to normal.
After calling OOL yesterday, OOL did some testing and saw the packet loss to the DPQ3925. They rolled a technician who replaced the drop because he found that there was water and some corrosion in the connection at the pole. Also, there was a reset of the DPQ3925 earlier in the day which seemed to have cleared the issue of the incessant traffic to the router. A configuration change perhaps? I/you will never know as there's no way to view the configuration of the DPQ3925. I recovered my router's configuration from its ftp backup (easier than undoing all of the crazy things I tried to figure out what was banging on the router's interface) and all's well.
Also, it appears that OOL deleted my reverse-DNS. That'd explain a number of bizarre things like mail bouncing back and remote SQL query complaints. I'm waiting still for OOL to contact me about this particular issue.
I can now get back to working on a deadline project waylaid several days with this OOL debacle. |
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I finally had enough and I put a old hub (10bT) between the DPQ3925 and my Cisco router interface. I then fired up Wireshark on a linux laptop on its wired ethernet interface and plug it into the hub so that it could see the traffic between the two.
Yup. It's a DDoS on DNS. I've presently gotten port 53 via an ACL on the Cisco disabled but I now have not DNS.
HOW DO I GET OOL TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS HAPPENING?
I called them again yesterday and all they did was roll another cable tech out. That' NOT going to fix this problem. They need to intercede to stop this attack. |
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1 edit | Does your Mac still work ok if you disconnect your router and connect directly to the OOL router?
Do you think it is a DDoS attack on all your IP addresses?
Have you asked OOL to assign you a different block of IP addresses?
I am skeptical of DDoS attack. Too coinciental that the attack started the same time OOL changed equipment, and that your Mac would work ok connected to the OOL equipment. I also do not recall anyone else posting about a DDoS attack on this forum in the past 10 years, but you could be the first. |
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 | said by jaa:Does your Mac still work ok if you disconnect your router and connect directly to the OOL router? You think like an OOL tech. 
said by jaa:Do you think it is a DDoS attack on all your IP addresses?
Would you like that I post all 800000 Wireshark captures?
said by jaa:Have you asked OOL to assign you a different block of IP addresses?
I was told when I called today that they don't do that but... that a Sr. tech would call me... Save for my PITA daughter and telemarketers, the phone has been silent. |
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 | reply to OOLost One man's defective P-o-crap Belkin router generating a DNS flood is another man's DDoS. Can you be specific about the inbound traffic? Is it coming from a very large number of IP source addresses, and going to port 53/udp on one of your 5 static IPs? Do you run a (registered) authoritative DNS server as a matter of regular business at the IP the traffic is going to? How does this impact your service, specifically your outbound traffic (DNS, HTTP)? If you have nothing responding to that traffic, it should NOT be filling your upstream.
No, OOL will not do anti-DDoS filtering for static-IP, unless the DDoS becomes so great that other subscriber's service is impacted - this is not part of the service as described.
Also, your ACL'ing of such traffic is likely wrong: if DoS traffic is inbound to 53/udp, then that's all you should filter, not OUTBOUND TO 53/udp, cause that's your own, presumably legit DNS queries. |
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 IllIlIlllIllEliteDataPremium join:2003-07-06 Hampton Bays, NY kudos:7 | reply to OOLost said by OOLost :said by jaa:Does your Mac still work ok if you disconnect your router and connect directly to the OOL router? You think like an OOL tech.  said by jaa:Do you think it is a DDoS attack on all your IP addresses?
Would you like that I post all 800000 Wireshark captures? said by jaa:Have you asked OOL to assign you a different block of IP addresses?
I was told when I called today that they don't do that but... that a Sr. tech would call me... Save for my PITA daughter and telemarketers, the phone has been silent. can you post a small capture packet from wire shark ? -- Suffolk County NY Police Feed - »www.scpdny.com PS3 Gaming Feed - »www.livestream.com/elitedata |
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 | reply to cablewizzard said by cablewizzard:One man's defective P-o-crap Belkin router generating a DNS flood is another man's DDoS. Can you be specific about the inbound traffic? Is it coming from a very large number of IP source addresses, and going to port 53/udp on one of your 5 static IPs? I've identified two networks which I've now denied in the ACL instead of killing off all port 53 traffic:
ip access-list extended Deny-DDoS-ACL deny ip 72.8.128.0 0.0.63.255 any deny ip 209.205.64.0 0.0.31.255 any permit ip any any
This ACL is applied to the interface as:
ip access-group Deny-DDoS-ACL in
Yesterday, this ACL had been:
deny udp any any eq domain
The above was a temporary fix until I had the time today to sort out all of the IPs which were sourcing the flood.
I'll leave it to you to determine if the routers in these networks are "P-o-crap Belkins."
said by cablewizzard:Do you run a (registered) authoritative DNS server as a matter of regular business at the IP the traffic is going to? Yes.
said by cablewizzard:How does this impact your service, specifically your outbound traffic (DNS, HTTP)? If you have nothing responding to that traffic, it should NOT be filling your upstream. Since ACLing the offenders, it's not too too bad. There's still a load of crap banging away on the incoming WAN interface.
said by cablewizzard:No, OOL will not do anti-DDoS filtering for static-IP, unless the DDoS becomes so great that other subscriber's service is impacted - this is not part of the service as described.
Also, your ACL'ing of such traffic is likely wrong: if DoS traffic is inbound to 53/udp, then that's all you should filter, not OUTBOUND TO 53/udp, cause that's your own, presumably legit DNS queries. Right. Learn Cisco IOS. ip access-group Deny-DDoS-ACL in --------------------------------------^^
It's BEcause, not cause... learn English too. Acronyms are suffixed with just the suffix sans the apostrophe.
Sorry but don't get acrimonious with me. |
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 | reply to IllIlIlllIll said by IllIlIlllIll:can you post a small capture packet from wire shark ? Here you go, on incoming from 72.8.190.97 doing a standard query of RIPE.NET ANY.
0000 00 1f 9e 03 36 c3 f4 5f d4 cf c2 03 08 00 45 00 ....6.._ ......E. 0010 00 42 03 85 40 00 75 11 0d e7 48 08 be 61 18 xx .B..@.u. ..H..a.. 0020 yy 1a 00 35 00 35 00 2e 00 00 03 b8 01 00 00 01 ...5.5.. ........ 0030 00 00 00 00 00 01 04 72 69 70 65 03 6e 65 74 00 .......r ipe.net. 0040 00 ff 00 01 00 00 29 10 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 00 ......). ........ |
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 IllIlIlllIllEliteDataPremium join:2003-07-06 Hampton Bays, NY kudos:7 | i meant to capture for about 5 seconds then "save as" in wireshark and attach it here or you can send it private message if you want) -- Suffolk County NY Police Feed - »www.scpdny.com PS3 Gaming Feed - »www.livestream.com/elitedata |
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 | Save for different sources, they're all recursions for RIPE.NET ANY. Attempting to flood them out, no doubt.
The Cisco871W need was a red herring. I have several spare routers here but OOL "techs" suggested that all three of my 851s were bad so, to pander to them, I plugged in an 871W. It's the dumb things you have to do to appease idiots, I suppose. I wasn't about to go reconfigure an 1800 I have on the residential service to use on the biz connection. I use the 1800 only because it still has dual radios: 802.11a and 802.11b/g. The rest of the neighborhood has polluted the 2.4GHz band with their toy Linksys, Belkin and Netgear routers, wireless telephones and microwaves. Using spectrum analyzer, I only found a small 5GHz low power lobe making me about the only 5GHz consumer in the immediate vicinity.
Back to the issue at hand...
Why they're bothering me, I know not.
$ dig +recurs @OOLost.net ripe.net any
; > DiG 9.7.0-P1 > +recurs @OOLost.net ripe.net any ; (1 server found) ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 29129 ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available
;; QUESTION SECTION: ;ripe.net. IN ANY
;; Query time: 20 msec ;; SERVER: 24.xx.yy.26#53(24.xx.yy.26) ;; WHEN: Wed Sep 26 15:10:39 2012 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 26 |
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 | reply to OOLost said by OOLost It's BEcause, not cause... learn English too. Acronyms are suffixed with just the suffix sans the apostrophe.
Sorry but don't get acrimonious with me. It's pretty asinine to insult the only one helping you...just saying. |
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 | reply to OOLost said by OOLost :said by cablewizzard:One man's defective P-o-crap Belkin router generating a DNS flood is another man's DDoS. Can you be specific about the inbound traffic? Is it coming from a very large number of IP source addresses, and going to port 53/udp on one of your 5 static IPs? I've identified two networks which I've now denied in the ACL instead of killing off all port 53 traffic: ip access-list extended Deny-DDoS-ACL deny ip 72.8.128.0 0.0.63.255 any deny ip 209.205.64.0 0.0.31.255 any permit ip any any This ACL is applied to the interface as: ip access-group Deny-DDoS-ACL in Yesterday, this ACL had been: deny udp any any eq domain The above was a temporary fix until I had the time today to sort out all of the IPs which were sourcing the flood. I'll leave it to you to determine if the routers in these networks are "P-o-crap Belkins." said by cablewizzard:Do you run a (registered) authoritative DNS server as a matter of regular business at the IP the traffic is going to? Yes. said by cablewizzard:How does this impact your service, specifically your outbound traffic (DNS, HTTP)? If you have nothing responding to that traffic, it should NOT be filling your upstream. Since ACLing the offenders, it's not too too bad. There's still a load of crap banging away on the incoming WAN interface. said by cablewizzard:No, OOL will not do anti-DDoS filtering for static-IP, unless the DDoS becomes so great that other subscriber's service is impacted - this is not part of the service as described.
Also, your ACL'ing of such traffic is likely wrong: if DoS traffic is inbound to 53/udp, then that's all you should filter, not OUTBOUND TO 53/udp, cause that's your own, presumably legit DNS queries. Right. Learn Cisco IOS. ip access-group Deny-DDoS-ACL in --------------------------------------^^ It's BEcause, not cause... learn English too. Acronyms are suffixed with just the suffix sans the apostrophe. Sorry but don't get acrimonious with me. isn't there a networking forum you can post this on? don't see how this issue is being caused by cablevisions services |
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 | reply to ShockTech said by ShockTech:said by OOLost It's BEcause, not cause... learn English too. Acronyms are suffixed with just the suffix sans the apostrophe.
Sorry but don't get acrimonious with me. It's pretty asinine to insult the only one helping you...just saying. It was pretty asinine to insult the one who was looking for an answer too. And the condescension was completely uncalled for in "One man's defective P-o-crap Belkin router generating a DNS flood is another man's DDoS."
FWIW, maybe all you so called "wizards" should learn to read and understand what I've experienced. »www.shortestpathfirst.net/2009/1···attacks/
On the positive side, the traffic has subsided once again. I'm leaving my ACLs in place though for now.
If you will look at the networks that I listed previously, they are owned by organizations which provide DDoS mitigation services or devices to mitigate DDoS attacks. Either way, they were the targets and chances are that the IP addresses which appeared as the sourcing addresses (their networks) were spoofed/feigned. My router, of course, doesn't know the difference but ACLing them off did mitigate the attack as AFAIAC. Whether or not the intended targets are seeing any mitigation in the attack is of no concern to me. |
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 IllIlIlllIllEliteDataPremium join:2003-07-06 Hampton Bays, NY kudos:7 | reply to ShockTech said by ShockTech:said by OOLost It's BEcause, not cause... learn English too. Acronyms are suffixed with just the suffix sans the apostrophe.
Sorry but don't get acrimonious with me. It's pretty asinine to insult the only one helping you...just saying. and a few others providing assistance as well. -- Suffolk County NY Police Feed - »www.scpdny.com PS3 Gaming Feed - »www.livestream.com/elitedata |
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 | reply to cabletecht said by cabletecht:isn't there a networking forum you can post this on? don't see how this issue is being caused by cablevisions services Isn't this forum's title: Forums > US Cable Support > OptimumOnline ???
Nobody said it was "being CAUSED by cablevisions services." There WAS a problem with the service. I was getting no help with the problem from the service provider. The service provider failed to listen to the customer. The service provider wasted both party's time, money and resources because they wouldn't (or couldn't) listen. OOL treated the whole event like a loss of TV service issue. All the techs in the world (5 here in the past week) replacing the cable drops, connections and splitters would not/could not have mitigated the issue.
Well, it's clear now that Optimum Online is NOT a internet company; they're a TV service and continue to offer cable-TV support instead of internet support.
Is there a Forums > US Cable Support > OptimumOnline ? Business Service forum? |
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| reply to OOLost said by OOLost :said by jaa:Does your Mac still work ok if you disconnect your router and connect directly to the OOL router? You think like an OOL tech. You post like a politician. 
Is that a yes or a no?? -- NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists. |
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 | said by jaa:said by OOLost :said by jaa:Does your Mac still work ok if you disconnect your router and connect directly to the OOL router? You think like an OOL tech. You post like a politician.  Is that a yes or a no?? That depends on what the definition of "is" is.  |
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 | reply to jaa said by jaa:said by OOLost :said by jaa:Does your Mac still work ok if you disconnect your router and connect directly to the OOL router? You think like an OOL tech. You post like a politician.  Is that a yes or a no?? Yeah, my Mac still works and my refrigerator still runs. How does that relate to this? |
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| reply to OOLost said by OOLost :said by cabletecht:isn't there a networking forum you can post this on? don't see how this issue is being caused by cablevisions services Isn't this forum's title: Forums > US Cable Support > OptimumOnline ??? Nobody said it was "being CAUSED by cablevisions services." There WAS a problem with the service. I was getting no help with the problem from the service provider. The service provider failed to listen to the customer. The service provider wasted both party's time, money and resources because they wouldn't (or couldn't) listen. OOL treated the whole event like a loss of TV service issue. All the techs in the world (5 here in the past week) replacing the cable drops, connections and splitters would not/could not have mitigated the issue. Well, it's clear now that Optimum Online is NOT a internet company; they're a TV service and continue to offer cable-TV support instead of internet support. Is there a Forums > US Cable Support > OptimumOnline ? Business Service forum? Any company who provides advanced support for configuring your LAN setup/equipment is going to make you pay a premium for that. You just aren't going to find that with a $50 service (really no difference in the support you are requesting from standard BOOL & Boost/Ultra & STIP). Not to say the support is poor, just that it does not cover the area you are looking for. The end point of the support is the CV-provided equipment, not the chair at the connected computer that is being accessed. |
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