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glassweaver

join:2012-09-20

Are there still data caps?

I'm wondering because when I dropped charter I opted to split the bill for my neighbors internet instead of getting DSL. This is starting to catch on, as a couple other neighbors want to drop their service and split the bill 3 or 4 ways with our neighbor too now.

Given these increased data usages on one line, I'm wondering how much data you can use in a month before (if?) Charter starts to care.

(Just for the record, I'm very confidant that this is feasible. You could effectively have 5 or so homes working off the same connection if you have a good central router and the repeaters are setup in the other homes 'sweet spots'. Add a 5-10 mbps throttle per user and half the block could stream netflix & browse facebook at the same time without any lag or buffering).



cork1958
Cork
Premium
join:2000-02-26

Yes,
There are still data caps!

This part obviously needs updating.

The thresholds were established in February 2009 and modified effective November 12, 2010.

Lite and Express Packages – 100 GB Threshold
Send 25,000 emails at 20 kilobytes (KB) per email
Download 20 standard-definition movies at 2 GB per movie
Download 2,000 songs at 5 megabytes (MB) per song

Plus and Max (Grandfathered) Package – 250 GB Threshold
Send 25,000 emails at 20 KB per email
Download 30 standard-definition movies at 2 GB per movie
Download 15 high-definition movies at 8 GB per movie
Download 4,000 songs at 5 MB per song

Ultra100 – 500 GB Threshold
Send 40,000 emails at 20 KB per email
Download 40 standard-definition movies at 2 GB per movie
Download 30 high-definition movies at 8 GB per movie
Download 4,000 songs at 5 MB per song
Upload 8,000 high-definition digital pictures at 10 MB per picture

Sheesh! I thought I was a cheapskate though!!


zed260
Premium
join:2011-11-11
Cleveland, TN
Reviews:
·Charter
reply to glassweaver

said by glassweaver:

I'm wondering because when I dropped charter I opted to split the bill for my neighbors internet instead of getting DSL. This is starting to catch on, as a couple other neighbors want to drop their service and split the bill 3 or 4 ways with our neighbor too now.

Given these increased data usages on one line, I'm wondering how much data you can use in a month before (if?) Charter starts to care.

(Just for the record, I'm very confidant that this is feasible. You could effectively have 5 or so homes working off the same connection if you have a good central router and the repeaters are setup in the other homes 'sweet spots'. Add a 5-10 mbps throttle per user and half the block could stream netflix & browse facebook at the same time without any lag or buffering).

its against charters tos for you to do that

youed need a vary special account to do this heck not even regular business accounts can do this


88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

said by zed260:

said by glassweaver:

I'm wondering because when I dropped charter I opted to split the bill for my neighbors internet instead of getting DSL. This is starting to catch on, as a couple other neighbors want to drop their service and split the bill 3 or 4 ways with our neighbor too now.

Given these increased data usages on one line, I'm wondering how much data you can use in a month before (if?) Charter starts to care.

(Just for the record, I'm very confidant that this is feasible. You could effectively have 5 or so homes working off the same connection if you have a good central router and the repeaters are setup in the other homes 'sweet spots'. Add a 5-10 mbps throttle per user and half the block could stream netflix & browse facebook at the same time without any lag or buffering).

its against charters tos for you to do that

youed need a vary special account to do this heck not even regular business accounts can do this

I think he knows it's against the TOS. Things like that are another reason Charter can "justify" caps. Anyway even if one could do it it's not a good idea. Someone does a lot of illegal downloading or downloads kiddie pr0n and it's the one who's name is on the account that is in trouble.

glassweaver

join:2012-09-20
reply to glassweaver

Thanks Cork. That helps a lot. Anyway, when you're main paycheck is your grades, and your only other income is student loans/your work study job, you get even cheaper.

And BF69 is right. I figured that this wasn't inline with their policies, but additional users aren't going to wear out the copper/fiber/nodes any faster and won't create additional costs on Charters end. They're still making a very good profit. If anything, I'm cutting into the DSL companies profits now by not signing up with them.

In terms of protecting everyone, the router that's doing DHCP has logging enabled, so any network traffic can be traced back to the connecting computer. With hulu, youtube, and free alternatives to things like MS Office, I don't think there's any good reasons to be doing anything illegal now day's anyway.


CharterTech

join:2012-08-06
reply to glassweaver

If you are sharing a connection like that between homes would I would recommend doing to cover your butt and not get shut off would be to:

Business connections have no data caps and you can use as much as you want freely.

So there is the Business 50/5 package for 158.39 / 5 would be $31.68 a house.

Business 100/5 for $251.99 / 5 would be $50.40 a house.

Of course the more houses you are able to hook up with out killing the speeds would be cheaper a month.

But I would highly recommend going the business route to not worry about the caps and the what ifs.


glassweaver

join:2012-09-20

Thanks for the advice. If some more neighbors decide to go with us I will definitely talk to them about this. At 5+ homes splitting that bill would be feasible for me, but before that I would have to simply go with DSL for the time being.

Actually, you just gave me another idea. With a decent wifi card, I *should* be able to have an old laptop connected to their network and use it for the routers uplink. This could get interesting!



88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to glassweaver

said by glassweaver:

And BF69 is right. I figured that this wasn't inline with their policies, but additional users aren't going to wear out the copper/fiber/nodes any faster and won't create additional costs on Charters end. They're still making a very good profit. If anything, I'm cutting into the DSL companies profits now by not signing up with them.

A)Doesn't matter if it's hurts them financially or not. It's against the TOS that you AGREED to. If Charter didn't hold up THEIR end of the TOS you'd be damned sure to call them on it, but customers think they can just ignore it on their end.

B) It IS hurting them financially because if you are providing service to 5 other houses that's 5 customers lost to Charter.

In terms of protecting everyone, the router that's doing DHCP has logging enabled, so any network traffic can be traced back to the connecting computer. With hulu, youtube, and free alternatives to things like MS Office, I don't think there's any good reasons to be doing anything illegal now day's anyway.

Look the police may be able to trace the kiddie pr0n downloads to the proper computer EVENTUALLY, in the meantime the account holder is the one who is going to be arrested and have his name in the paper as a pervert. The fact he will be vindicated later won't matter. No one will remember that part.


mmainprize

join:2001-12-06
Houghton Lake, MI
Reviews:
·Charter
reply to glassweaver

Well you had a good thing going there but you should just keep these things to your self and it may have been no problem for all.

If it was just you and the other guy then you should not worry about overloading the account. Because one family of four would not be any different then two people sharing one account.

But if you are talking about two family's of 4 or four family's sharing then you will end up having issues IMHO.

The reason people are think about doing this is because the lower cost options are going away. Only a family of 4, an internet HOG or someone watching a lot of TV over the internet would need a $50 a month 250 GIG package.
The average internet user does not need 250 gig a month, the proof can be seen looking at Cell phone data packages that are still at 2 and 3 GIG per month. So Charter has us paying for about 100 times as much as the average user needs. So if you need to share that connection you should not feel bad.



88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

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said by mmainprize:

The average internet user does not need 250 gig a month, the proof can be seen looking at Cell phone data packages that are still at 2 and 3 GIG per month. So Charter has us paying for about 100 times as much as the average user needs. So if you need to share that connection you should not feel bad.

That's not proof of anything.

A) cell phone use is different.

B) because of low caps many cell phone data users are off loading to Wi-Fi. We do.

C) plenty of unlimited customers that end up losing unlimited are LIVID about it.

By the way Verizon offers a 20 GB data package.

You can only say what YOU need or don't need.

whoaru99

join:2003-12-17

Yeah, I have a 5GB data package for my cell phone and 3G hotspot, but I've never watched a streaming movie on those accounts because it would eat up too much of the monthly allocation.


glassweaver

join:2012-09-20

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reply to 88615298

BF69, I feel that you might have some negativity for what I and my neighbors are privately choosing to do, but there really doesn't need to be any.

I'm talking about a small number of people using a service in a manner that is no different than a single home with mom/dad/3-4 children. I really don't think 2 homes with 3 people total between them, or possibly 3-4 homes with 5-6 people between them is any different than one married couple with 3-4 kids. So why should the larger family effectively get a lower cost per person?

Whether it's against TOS or not, the service is still being paid for & it's not creating anymore network congestion than a medium to large size family. Why should that family, or possibly families if you have more than one living under one roof (ahem, college students getting roommates?) pay less per person if they're still within the AUP on their bandwidth, as implied by the cap that apparently exists?

On a side note, I don't even look at legal porn, and I don't think my neighbors are exactly the 'free candy van' type either. I didn't even think about that kind of illegal content when I helped them turn on logging. Again though, the router logs, which would point to the damning evidence on the offending computer - not mine, and not the neighbor with the actual connection. If someone does something illegal on a college network, the college's IT administrator doesn't go to jail, nor does charter, but they can furnish logs that can help police. We've effectively setup this same system through logging. I hope I've put your worries to rest.

Edit: Cellphone use is not different. 3G/4G have both been used for a better and less expensive quality of service for those who do not have any other options besides satellite. In fact 4G home broadband is starting to popup quite rapidly in the rural areas around where I live. When you have customers using their laptop connect card as their home internet access, the line that differentiates disappears.

Edit: If you're unhappy with a limited data *shared* plan, switch to a carrier that's still offering unlimited data *unshared.* We have a free market, so you at least have a decent number of options for your cellular carrier, unlike most of us with our HSI provider.



cork1958
Cork
Premium
join:2000-02-26

The problem with that is Charter does not charge on a per person basis and you all are effectively stealing and I hope like heck you all get caught!

The mentality you display here is half of what the problem with the world is!!

I'm sure you and your neighbors are not the only ones who have ever thought of this and I hope Charter has busted on some of those people too.

You do know that your IP address gets logged here and that there are Charter techs who hang out here?

Good luck!!
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88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to glassweaver

said by glassweaver:

BF69, I feel that you might have some negativity for what I and my neighbors are privately choosing to do, but there really doesn't need to be any.

You're violating the TOS. As I said if Charter violated the TOS you wouldn't hesitate to call them out on that. Why is ok for you to break the agreement and not Charter?

I'm talking about a small number of people using a service in a manner that is no different than a single home with mom/dad/3-4 children. I really don't think 2 homes with 3 people total between them, or possibly 3-4 homes with 5-6 people between them is any different than one married couple with 3-4 kids. So why should the larger family effectively get a lower cost per person?

Yes and if everyone took that "well it's only 2 homes" attitude Charter would have half the number of customers. You go ahead and keep justifying it however you like, but the truth is the truth.

Whether it's against TOS or not, the service is still being paid for & it's not creating anymore network congestion than a medium to large size family. Why should that family, or possibly families if you have more than one living under one roof (ahem, college students getting roommates?) pay less per person if they're still within the AUP on their bandwidth, as implied by the cap that apparently exists?

Because it's against the TOS. Let me ask you this is ok to share you cable TV connection? Nope. So how is this different?

glassweaver

join:2012-09-20

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Because Cable TV is an unlimited buffet. There are no data caps or bandwidth limits. I already explained this with french fries. I don't know how to make it anymore simple. Why is this so hard to understand? You don't even need to understand computers to understand this.

Edit: I meant to explain this with french fries but apparently didn't. Anyway, cable TV is like an all-you-can-eat french fry order. Sharing with friends is wrong, because that's unlimited for one person. Throttled and capped internet is like a small, medium, or large french fry, depending on your package. How many restaurants do you know that will charged you twice for you and your friends sharing a large fry instead of each getting a small or medium fry?

Personally, I think that if Charter cared that much, one of their techs wouldn't have given me pointers in here.

All of this bickering did get me to read the AUP I was never in my 2 years as a customer given. Yes, it's against policy, but not law. If you've ever jaywalked, that makes you more BA than me & my neighbors. Anyway, I digress.

Charters AUP says they reserve the right to upgrade your service if they find that you're sharing your connection, SO how does this sound to everyone:

I'll stick with my original plan to come back as a new customer in a couple weeks, or....

I'll subscribe to DSL or go halfsies on 20 meg business class HSI if Charters techs show up at my/my neighbors house with pitchforks before then.

Is everyone happy now? Have I restored balance to the world?



msmisfit

join:2004-09-13
Lawrenceville, GA
kudos:2

said by glassweaver:

Is everyone happy now? Have I restored balance to the world?

Not really.....

speedxdesign

join:2010-02-25
Alexandria, MN
reply to glassweaver

It is theft of service. I hope they catch you.


glassweaver

join:2012-09-20

Looks like you where right msmisit. Could a moderator just delete or at least lock this thread?

My original question was answered by cork quite some posts back, and it's pretty irrelevant anyway now that I'll going to sign up for my own service again in a few weeks.

Just for the record though, not even Charter defines sharing as theft. They define it as a violation of the acceptable use policy. Sharing a finite capped amount of data is MISUSING the network, not stealing from it. That's fine if they want to ban friends from sharing a large french fry instead of buying 2 mediums, but choosing to disregard the ban and share the large anyway is not illegal.

If a small fraction of users sharing wifi (let alone one for only a couple weeks) is really that big of a deal, charter should just move to a model where they charge per user, you have a single log on you can use to get past a landing page, and that log on can't be used for more than one active session, because obviously large families should be vilified data hogging heathens.


reply to msmisfit

Agreed. Not really happy. When you steal from Charter you take bread off my family's table. Can I have the keys to your office? I'm a little short on supplies.



88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to glassweaver

said by glassweaver:

Because Cable TV is an unlimited buffet. There are no data caps or bandwidth limits. I already explained this with french fries. I don't know how to make it anymore simple. Why is this so hard to understand? You don't even need to understand computers to understand this.

How in the world does that even make sense? It's not ok to share cable TV because it's unlimited but it's ok to share cable internet because it is? If you can't share CHARTER cable tv then it's LOGICAL to assume you can't share CHARTER internet.

Personally, I think that if Charter cared that much, one of their techs wouldn't have given me pointers in here.

Was it tech that came out to your house? You know most of those don't actually work for Charter they are subcontracted. So why would they care. And many aren't all that bright.

All of this bickering did get me to read the AUP I was never in my 2 years as a customer given. Yes, it's against policy, but not law. If you've ever jaywalked, that makes you more BA than me & my neighbors. Anyway, I digress.

Oh so if its not illegal then it ok? Ok so if Charter says you have a 250 GB cap then they shut you off at 150 GB then it's cool because the TOS means nothing it's just optional because it's not illegal. I suspect you expect Charter to follow the TOS to the letter. Why should YOU get to ignore it?

Charters AUP says they reserve the right to upgrade your service if they find that you're sharing your connection:

Yeah because upgrading means moving you from 30 Mbps at $50 a month to 100 Mbps at $110 a month. Two 30 Mbps connections are actually cheaper. So yeah Charter would much rather have you upgrade to 100 Mbps and share that with your neighbor than have each of you get a 30 Mbps connection each. $10 more for them, 1 less modem to give out and one less bill they have to send out every month.

Is everyone happy now? Have I restored balance to the world?

Not really because you still say what you are wanting to do isn't wrong. I'd actually have more respect for you if you just admitted it was wrong and you just didn't give a shit than for you to try to keep justifying it with BS logic.


skj
Welcome to the far side of reality
Premium,Mod
join:2002-04-04
Gone South
kudos:1
reply to glassweaver

As the OP has noted, this thread has gotten way off topic. Time for a lock.