 GonePremium
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Fort Erie, ON
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Re: Technical challange! Do you remember what type of cable you ran through? If it's at least Cat3 you're going to save yourself a lot of aggravation and money. |
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said by urbanriot:said by elwoodblues:I've always been horrible at making cables. To this day I refuse to make them, (extremely long runs, I let someone else crimp on the ends).
I was like that in the early 90's, stubbornly against crimping network ends because I just couldn't do one. Then I think around 1994 I was at a site which didn't have it's fancy patch blocks available so I had to temporarily crimp around 1,000 ends and after the first 50, like Gone, I can do it with ease and it's like riding a bike... I haven Like Gone though, I still don't like doing it. If you cant make your own cables, you will sooner or later make the "networking closet hall of messyness fame".
We try to always cut our cables to length. The job always looks neat and professional when we are done.
With that being said. I have walked into plenty of patch rooms where 6 foot patch cords are used for a 2 foot patch.
After the first couple it looks like a spaghetti explosion.
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said by Gone:Do you remember what type of cable you ran through? If it's at least Cat3 you're going to save yourself a lot of aggravation and money.
I will check it out tomorrow when I am on site. All I remember was it was a 6 wire cable. Almost looked like underground phone cable. Last time I was there it was dark and hard to see anything. |
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GonePremium
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Fort Erie, ON
kudos:3 | If it's six wire cable it most likely won't be Ethernet grade. Knowing me, I'd still try it before I spent $225 on a LAN bridge, though.  |
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GonePremium
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said by bitchtorn:If you cant make your own cables, you will sooner or later make the "networking closet hall of messyness fame". ... which is exactly what I did here at our store last night when I was "cleaning up" the wiring room, because I didn't want to cut and crimp cables to length.
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Burlington, ON
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said by bitchtorn:said by Gone:Do you remember what type of cable you ran through? If it's at least Cat3 you're going to save yourself a lot of aggravation and money.
I will check it out tomorrow when I am on site. All I remember was it was a 6 wire cable. Almost looked like underground phone cable. Last time I was there it was dark and hard to see anything. As I mentioned - test it.
I've had luck with 100Mbps over some ~50m using old phone wiring (not even CAT3) without any issues. But your mileage may (and will) vary ...worth trying though IMO. You can always get the VDSL extenders or get a shovel
Just make sure you don't connect the ends to some 'green' power saving switches that will try to reduce power on those ports. |
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What do you recommend to test? Bring a notebook that has a intel nic and run the cable diagnostics? Or should I be looking for a new tool to purchase. Or cable tester consists of 8 lights
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GonePremium
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Fort Erie, ON
kudos:3 | Crimp both ends, hook up either ends to your network and see if they all talk to each other? |
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| said by Gone:Crimp both ends, hook up either ends to your network and see if they all talk to each other?
That is my first test
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BranoI hate VogonsPremium,MVM
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Burlington, ON
kudos:6 | Yeah, I did the same. Then I've ran some transfers a and was watching error statistics on the interfaces on each side (in my case zero errors full 100Mbps). Also if the NIC has 'cable tester' functionality do that too. |
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said by bitchtorn:If you cant make your own cables, you will sooner or later make the "networking closet hall of messyness fame". Never happen! I'd have a wiring specialist do the job. Neat and orderly cables and punching shit down was someone else's full time job, not mine. I always knew when to call the professionals. |
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GonePremium
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| said by urbanriot:Never happen! I'd have a wiring specialist do the job. Neat and orderly cables and punching shit down was someone else's full time job, not mine. I always knew when to call the professionals. When I did all this stuff professionally we'd do the same thing. The only thing we'd do is connect patch cables to the block, everything else was done by an actual wiring company. Now that I'm out of the industry and only maintain my own stuff, stuff for my friends and the shop where I work, I am wholly lazy about how I do things. |
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 elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
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First you shouldn't be using a 2foot patch cable, a buddy of mine wires places up and I believe he said it would be an issue with crosstalk, I'd have to ask him again, but under 3ft is a no no.
But yeah, I know what you mean by the messy cables. |
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 GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:20 | reply to bitchtorn
I don't believe auto-negotiation takes signal quality into account, so you might want to force the connection to 10 meg (maybe even half duplex) for better reliability.
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GonePremium
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Fort Erie, ON
kudos:3 | Wise suggestion. |
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Here is what I had to work with in the ATM pavilion.
Had the Blue and Green Pair to work with. Orange was going to the ADSL.
Couldn't get a good look at that thick black phone cable (without pulling it off the wall) .... but it looks like underground grade as it was very thick. |
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 twizlarI dont think so.Premium
join:2003-12-24
Brantford, ON
kudos:3 | reply to elwoodblues
said by elwoodblues:First you shouldn't be using a 2foot patch cable, a buddy of mine wires places up and I believe he said it would be an issue with crosstalk, I'd have to ask him again, but under 3ft is a no no.
But yeah, I know what you mean by the messy cables.
Thats a myth, short patch cables work just fine.
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Decided to use the same colours so I didn't mix myself up. I used a panduit module with a surface mount plate.
Here is a shot of the pin out I used..... (pin 1,2,3,6) |
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Typically the green and orange pairs are used for 10/100 Ethernet but at this point I don't think we have anything to lose. Remove the green and blue pair from the RJ11 jack and wire it into an RJ45 jack. You could even get one of those tool-less keystone modules before doing anything permanently. Wire it in and give it to try. You've got nothing to lose. |
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said by bitchtorn:Here is a shot of the pin out I used..... (pin 1,2,3,6) For some reason, I want to say you should reverse the blue pair. |
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