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Telco join:2008-12-19 Reviews: ·Callcentric	reply to IllIlIlllIll Re: 9; Actually, it was just another example of the private sector not having the stomach or willpower to push a project like this. This is precisely why government needs to step in an own a wholesale FTTH network that anyone can use to deliver high-speed internet to Americans.
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pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD	said by Telco: This is precisely why government needs to step in an own a wholesale FTTH network that anyone can use to deliver high-speed internet to Americans. That worked quite well for Amtrak. -- Romney/Ryan 2012 - Put a couple of mature adults in charge.
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Skippy25 join:2000-09-13 Hazelwood, MO	Funny you pick Amtrak, why not the highway system? Oh that's right.. it would be contradictory to the BS you are trying to spread. Amtrak is a niche form of traveling whereas a nationwide fiber infrastructure is vital to the entire country's digital future.
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pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD	said by Skippy25: Funny you pick Amtrak, why not the highway system? Oh that's right.. it would be contradictory to the BS you are trying to spread. How is what I said BS? Can you prove to me that Amtrak is efficient, profitable and well-run? Some citations would be helpful. said by Skippy25: Amtrak is a niche form of traveling whereas a nationwide fiber infrastructure is vital to the entire country's digital future. That's your opinion, you can invest in it with your own money. -- Romney/Ryan 2012 - Put a couple of mature adults in charge.
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Rich @ptd.net	Funny you try to make the assumption that a nationwide fiber network will be similar to amtrak. Fiber itself is profitable (unlike amtrak), it's the obscene build costs that are the reason the private sector won't get involved. The government could subsidize the build out a nationwide fiber network to every home, and eventually not only make the money back, but profit from it too. See: Electricity/Electric companies.
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Crookshanks join:2008-02-04 Northeast PA Reviews: ·Frontier Communi..	reply to Skippy25 said by Skippy25: Amtrak is a niche form of traveling whereas a nationwide fiber infrastructure is vital to the entire country's digital future. We already have a nationwide fiber infrastructure. The debate is about extending that infrastructure into the last mile and ensuring that it reaches every single property in the United States. There's a bit of a difference between the two, and I'd be curious to hear your argument as to why our future is dependent on every home in America having access to gigabit+ speed internet connections.
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OSP @cox.net	reply to Telco really, government?, that would be your solution? raise the funds and do it yourself.
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funny join:2010-12-22	reply to Crookshanks said by Crookshanks: said by Skippy25: Amtrak is a niche form of traveling whereas a nationwide fiber infrastructure is vital to the entire country's digital future. We already have a nationwide fiber infrastructure. The debate is about extending that infrastructure into the last mile and ensuring that it reaches every single property in the United States. There's a bit of a difference between the two, and I'd be curious to hear your argument as to why our future is dependent on every home in America having access to gigabit+ speed internet connections. HEY america DONT DO IT , we the rest of the world applaud your leaving citizens out of the future
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hottboiinnc ME join:2003-10-15 Cleveland, OH	reply to OSP Only if everyone on this board did that, we'd have that FTTH network by now. But oh wait, the fanboys, think private businesses and tax payers should be giving it away for FREE. because that's their right!
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Crookshanks join:2008-02-04 Northeast PA Reviews: ·Frontier Communi..	reply to funny Nice talking point, now tell me our future is dependent on every residential property in the United States having access to gigabit+ internet speeds? Name me another country, particularly one with a significant rural population, that is spending tax dollars to build out a nationwide last mile fiber network. C'Mon, I want to hear an explanation for why we need to spend billions of dollars to ensure that every house has a faster connection to the internet than most currently have to their home LAN. Do tell, what driver of economic prosperity will emerge when Grandma has a taxpayer funded gigabit+ internet connection?
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FifthE1ement Tech Nut join:2005-03-16 Fort Lauderdale, FL	reply to Telco said by Telco: Actually, it was just another example of the private sector not having the stomach or willpower to push a project like this. This is precisely why government needs to step in an own a wholesale FTTH network that anyone can use to deliver high-speed internet to Americans. No offense bro but the government just doesn't run businesses well. I agree the government does some great things with social programs but when it comes to running a business (profitability) the government just can't stomach it. They run everything like it has an unending supply of money! I can point out a million examples of government running business that have failed and that hemorrhage money but just a few are: Amtrak, Utility Companies, USPS (Post Office), Solar Energy companies (too many to name), GM/Chrysler losses and my favorite Obamacare (which the price has risen for healthcare even after they said after it passed prices would go down). I don't want government dealing with any non-essentials at all! -- "The relationship between what we see and what we know is never settled..."
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hottboiinnc ME join:2003-10-15 Cleveland, OH	ObamaCare actually will reduce costs of healthcare giving you an option. And as far as him passing it- Mitt first passed it on the great state of MA.
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Linklist Premium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5	reply to Skippy25 said by Skippy25: a nationwide fiber infrastructure is vital to the entire country's digital future. A nationwide fiber infrastructure exists and has for many years. It just doesn't extend to individual residences. -- »www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_home/ »www.gop.com/2012-republican-plat···onalism/
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biochemistry join:2003-05-09 92361	reply to Crookshanks Australia.
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elios join:2005-11-15 Springfield, MO	reply to hottboiinnc its funny they dont what the govt doing and when private business does (Google) they spread FUD about how its going to fail funny that
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TuxRaiderPen join:2009-09-19	reply to pnh102 said by pnh102: said by Telco: This is precisely why government needs to step in an own a wholesale FTTH network that anyone can use to deliver high-speed internet to Americans. That worked quite well for Amtrak. Is the broadband policy in this country borq'd beyond belief? YES! Are sleasy investors killing a great project? YES! Is passenger rail service in this country borq'd beyond repair? [b]YES![b/] has been for decades since they let the RR's weasel out of servivce both passenger and freight... decades ago. Sad , truly sad, no, absolute disgrace that this country has no high speed rail service to go between coasts, and feed local passenger service to smaller areas... absolute disgrace that countries like Japan and even the french put this country to shame on high speed rail. Disgrace! Amtrak is a joke, even Canada, mariginally gets it better, just slightly, and not by much... they too let passenger rail service be chisled away piece by piece... Then the whole idiotic rails to trails... URRRGH! NO MORE TRAILS! LOTS AND LOTS OF RAILS! RIP THE TRAILS DOWN AND PUT THE RAILS BACK! Let the smoke bellow and the whistles blow! Alllllll ABBBBOOOOOARDDD! -- 1311393600 - Back to Black.....Black....Black....
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The Limit Premium join:2007-09-25 Greensboro, NC kudos:2	reply to Crookshanks I don't think anyone has said anything about REQUIRING gigabit speeds. A bit overkill there, but let's run with it anyway. If broadband wasn't essential in this country, then why not do without? You mean that might be devastating to our economy? Oh, but isn't broadband just a luxury? Right... -- "We will evaluate these integrals rigorously if we can, and non-rigorously if we must". ---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010)
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Skippy25 join:2000-09-13 Hazelwood, MO	reply to pnh102 My point was simple. You mention Amtrak, which is very niche and very unprofitable trying to compare it a fiber network as though a nationwide fiber network is doomed just like that niche market. Which, as I stated, is total BS.
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Skippy25 join:2000-09-13 Hazelwood, MO	reply to Crookshanks Clearly I was speaking of a complete fiber network and I think your other talking points were taking care of in below comments so I wont address those.
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Skippy25 join:2000-09-13 Hazelwood, MO	reply to hottboiinnc Optimistic speculation on your part.
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